Holko 9,499 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 That's too long, let's refer to these as Demastered from now on. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 AOTC has always been hissy but that spectrogram is very revealing. Maybe Murphy just stuffed up the recording somewhere along the chain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I've never understood why AOTC was so hissy! I hope Mike gets to work his magic on these some day. They don't just need a proper editing and sequencing (and completeness), but reworked audio too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,499 Posted September 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2018 It's Williams constantly sighing while recording because he's forced to watch the movie on the projector. The Illustrious Jerry, crumbs and Not Mr. Big 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 20 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Here is a spectrogram view of "Return to Tatooine". All of that purple is hiss. I've never seen anything like this before. For comparison, here is a track from ROTS. This is how a normal spectrogram should look. I believe you're using the 192kHz/24bit digital release against the standard 44.1kHz/16bit CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,382 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Nah there are frequencies up to 96 kHz for both tracks, so they are both definitely sampled at 192 kHz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, phbart said: I believe you're using the 192kHz/24bit digital release against the standard 44.1kHz/16bit CD. Nope, they are both the new 192/24 releases. THIS is the 44.1/16 CD rip. It's not as clear, as the frequency is obviously cut off at 22kHz per channel, but it's still visibly noisier than ROTS. (The top one is AOTC): In addition, here is the original 2002 release versus the new remaster. Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,382 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 The 2002 version has just less hiss because there are just less high frequencies. The new version has more accuracy (in terms of fidelity), but too bad they just didn't care about the hiss for these new releases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 On 7/22/2018 at 4:30 AM, Jurassic Shark said: Haven't you heard Karajan's early 60's Beethoven symphony cycle on Deutsche Grammophon? Say what you like about the interpretations, but the sound is still top notch! Whoah! I've been looking for something like this. Thanks Shark! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 43 minutes ago, Chewy said: The 2002 version has just less hiss because there are just less high frequencies. The new version has more accuracy (in terms of fidelity), but too bad they just didn't care about the hiss for these new releases... The CD has tinnitus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Listening to it will increase hearing loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: Whoah! I've been looking for something like this. Thanks Shark! It's great music! My favorite 60s cycle is Cluytens': The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 60's cycle: Karajan Modern cycle: Vanska This compilation too (70's-80's cycle I don't remember) aviazn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpvee 805 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 This may only be good for another 19 minutes, but on the Disney Music Store, you can get a bundle of all of these for only $42 with the promo code blackfriday30. Not a bad deal! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,382 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 So I'm pretty sure they did not use new transfers from analog tapes for Revenge of the Sith, here is why! I noticed that tracks coming from analog sources have high frequency sounds that look more grainy on a spectrogram view. Here are some examples : Across the Stars (AotC 2018 Remaster, coming from analog tapes) David's Arrival (A.I. 2015 release, coming from analog tapes) To the Island (The Lost World 2016 release, coming from analog tapes) And now for comparison, tracks coming from a digital source: Call of the Crystal (from KotCS, coming from a digital source) Dumbledore's Caution (CoS 2018 release, coming from a digital source) And now let's look at some tracks from the 2018 remaster of RotS: Palpatine's Teachings Anakin's Betreyal My conclusion: RotS tracks seem to be sourced from a digital source! So after all, was RotS only recorded digitally? Did they lie when saying that the six scores were re-transferred from analog when they announced these new releases? What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive. Not Mr. Big, crumbs, Holko and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I've never really gotten around to listening to these sets in full. I've mainly just been listening to bits and pieces here and there, comparing them to the original releases. The prequels sounded relatively good until I got to 5:46 of Love Pledge and The Arena. Dafuq is that? Some weird phasing going on. How did no one in QA notice that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: How did no one in QA notice that? Should be the tagline for the whole set. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,382 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 That indeed sounds really bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The prequels sounded relatively good until I got to 5:46 of Love Pledge and The Arena. Dafuq is that? Some weird phasing going on. How did no one in QA notice that? I'd never heard it until you pointed it out. Strange, but not that noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 The prequels sound awesome. There are some occasional anomalies, but nothing too major. If anything, they just add to the charm of the OSTs. I like those awkward clunky analog edits on classic OSTs and you don't really hear that sort of thing since the advent of digital editing techniques. These were a nice surprise! Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 ROTS sounds... inconsistent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: There are some occasional anomalies, but nothing too major. If anything, they just add to the charm of the OSTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, Stefancos said: ROTS sounds... inconsistent! It sounds better than any other version. II and III sounded muddy on the OSTs and "leaked" tracks, which I never understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 The 4 CD Anthology is the best release of ROTJ. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Like Kevin Spacey once said, you know better than that...don't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Going to pick the Prequels now because the prices are so reduced and understandably so. The current upgrade with its many demerits may certainly help as a case to Disney to redo these albeit as complete and definitive proper error free editions (under Matessino's guidance) and specially now that the entire saga has wrapped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2020 Two more weeks and it would have been exactly one year between the previous comment and the one before it. DrTenma, rpvee and Amer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 1/19/2019 at 1:28 PM, Stefancos said: The 4 CD Anthology is the best release of ROTJ. No it’s my SE Remastered version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumb 0 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Hello, May i ask a question related to the 1993 4CD box ? On the "Main Title" from EP4 (CD#1 track#2), the volume is low/distant on left channel from 0:08s. Is this a mistake during mastering ? Or a wrong cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumb 0 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 Yes compare with 97SE (i don't own the Album version), from 0:08 to 0:16 only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 6 hours ago, crumb said: Hello, May i ask a question related to the 1993 4CD box ? On the "Main Title" from EP4 (CD#1 track#2), the volume is low/distant on left channel from 0:08s. Is this a mistake during mastering ? Or a wrong cue The volume is correct, it's just that the trumpet (which is the most prominent instrument from 0:08 to 0:16) is panned to the right channel. That isn't an error, just how the score was mastered. It's the same case for the SE, but it's not as noticeable primarily due to leveling. The original albums sound the same as the '93 Anthology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jar Jar 28 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Hi guys ! I got a lot of star wars soundtrack and lost on what is good or not. I have episode IV V VI original Vinyl releases. Those ones are wonderful (they crack a little but i love the raw sound without too much reverb). However It lacks a lot of music from ROTJ. I have the 4 CD Box set. I l have not really listened to them a lot (except the original ewok final which is far more better than the new version) because... I have the three complete soundtracks which were released at the beginning on 2000 I guess (with the hologram cover). These are the CDs I am listenening the most. I have heard there were some issues with ROTJ. Is it true ? And for the Prequel I have the original CDs (and complete bootlegs). If I understand well, I can skip without a doubt the other releases ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Jar Jar said: Hi guys ! I got a lot of star wars soundtrack and lost on what is good or not. I have episode IV V VI original Vinyl releases. Those ones are wonderful (they crack a little but i love the raw sound without too much reverb). However It lacks a lot of music from ROTJ. I have the 4 CD Box set. I l have not really listened to them a lot (except the original ewok final which is far more better than the new version) because... I have the three complete soundtracks which were released at the beginning on 2000 I guess (with the hologram cover). These are the CDs I am listenening the most. I have heard there were some issues with ROTJ. Is it true ? And for the Prequel I have the original CDs (and complete bootlegs). If I understand well, I can skip without a doubt the other releases ? Thanks That's about the best you can currently do as far as Star Wars albums go. If you want, you can check out the remastered prequels (I haven't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Jar Jar said: Hi guys ! I got a lot of star wars soundtrack and lost on what is good or not. I have episode IV V VI original Vinyl releases. Those ones are wonderful (they crack a little but i love the raw sound without too much reverb). However It lacks a lot of music from ROTJ. I have the 4 CD Box set. I l have not really listened to them a lot (except the original ewok final which is far more better than the new version) because... I have the three complete soundtracks which were released at the beginning on 2000 I guess (with the hologram cover). These are the CDs I am listenening the most. I have heard there were some issues with ROTJ. Is it true ? And for the Prequel I have the original CDs (and complete bootlegs). If I understand well, I can skip without a doubt the other releases ? Thanks In terms of sound quality, the 4-CD Anthology boxset is usually the go-to. The 1997 SE's are basically complete, but due to human error the sound (especially for ROTJ) is a bit muffled and flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,499 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 "a bit" Manakin Skywalker, crocodile, Chewy and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,338 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Yeah, just a tiny little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Barely noticeable, I tell ya's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 No. It's a lot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I don't know what kind of headphones you guys are using to come to the conclusion that ROTJ is the worst-sounding one of the SE set. Empire is the worst-sounding remastered album I have ever heard, period. It sounds like they converted it from stereo to mono and then sold it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 57 minutes ago, Drew said: I don't know what kind of headphones you guys are using to come to the conclusion that ROTJ is the worst-sounding one of the SE set. Empire is the worst-sounding remastered album I have ever heard, period. It sounds like they converted it from stereo to mono and then sold it. I don't use headphones. I use floorspeakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Drew said: I don't know what kind of headphones you guys are using to come to the conclusion that ROTJ is the worst-sounding one of the SE set. Empire is the worst-sounding remastered album I have ever heard, period. It sounds like they converted it from stereo to mono and then sold it. They both sound terrible. ANH is okay, but sounds a little off. Drew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I'm not gonna waste any more money on Star Wars until we get the complete I-VI. I'm not interested in re-print after re-print. It's as if Fellowship Of The Ring was never released in complete form, and instead we got re-issue after re-issue of the OST. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Drew said: I don't know what kind of headphones you guys are using to come to the conclusion that ROTJ is the worst-sounding one of the SE set. Empire is the worst-sounding remastered album I have ever heard, period. It sounds like they converted it from stereo to mono and then sold it. ESB is more salvageable. You can get it to a very listenable state by artificially widening the stereo field, adding a touch of reverb, and adjusting the EQ a bit. ROTJ is what is...those higher frequencies are just gone, full stop. Nothing you can do to unmuffle that album. Manakin Skywalker and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,305 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Both of them are a complete mess and desperately need Mike's attention to detail. It's been nearly a quarter of a century since these abominations were released for crying out loud! Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Maybe they can put them through a DSD machine at Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Þekþiþm said: Maybe they can put them through a DSD machine at Sony. Haha they did. Karol Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Anyone know how to unlock the special webpages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Anyone know how to unlock the special webpages? Sure! All you need is a time machine to go back to when those pages existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now