bruce marshall 1,248 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Isn't a large part of the appeal of lps the ARTWORK? On 11/1/2020 at 8:08 AM, Jurassic Shark said: C'mon, Holko, now you're not being any better than how you claim Thor to be, only the opposite. We need to get Hulko enrolled in an anger management program. Or, at least buy him the movie. 😎 On 3/21/2018 at 7:42 PM, Jay said: It's been 21 years since the 1997 2CD sets of the OT, 18 years years the TPM Ultimate Edition, 16 years since the AOTC OST, and 13 years since the ROTS OST. That's ancient. " New" editions will be the sonic upgrade equivalent of 78rpm to CD.😊 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 412 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Every time I'm listening to „Angels With Filthy Souls II“ from Home Alone 2 I imagine how awesome it would sound if John Williams had rerecorded the OT in the early 90s in LA. Hook, Home Alone 2 and Jurassic Park are my favorite soundtracks, not least because of the sound/mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_g_65 0 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 On 29/10/2020 at 9:59 AM, Jay said: No. Sony's contract to sell Star Wars music expired at the end of 2016. On Jan 1 2017 Disney Records issued Sony's albums remasters across all digital media platforms. However, when they released Shawn Murphy's demasters in the summer of 2018, they took the 2016 remasters down. Sorry to bump this thread, but I've noticed HDTracks has listings for what I believe are the remastered LP mixes from Sony Classical that were in the Ultimate Digital Collection (as opposed to the more recently remixed/remastered versions from Walt Disney Records). Is there a way to verify if these are the original LP mixes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 There's no reason to be sorry about bumping a thread to ask an important question! Can you provide a link to the HDTracks listing you're referencing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 7,411 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Huh, I can see SW and Empire with their original covers, Sony Classical Soundtracks. https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dd65d30848038447729ba11 https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dd65ced848038447729b9bf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 399 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 17 minutes ago, johnny_g_65 said: Sorry to bump this thread, but I've noticed HDTracks has listings for what I believe are the remastered LP mixes from Sony Classical that were in the Ultimate Digital Collection (as opposed to the more recently remixed/remastered versions from Walt Disney Records). Is there a way to verify if these are the original LP mixes? If you mean these; https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dd65d30848038447729ba11 (Star Wars) https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dd65ced848038447729b9bf (Empire) They are the Sony 2016 releases and not the Disney 2018 releases. Listened to the Main Title on SW and Imperial March on Empire and I can confirm they aren't the Disney versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Well this is nice news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 7,411 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Maybe they came back because of the newest vinyls. We'll see what happens when they get to RotJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 6,313 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Well, it's the same version released in 2016 by Sony (on vinyl and digitally, but not on CD), right? It is absolutely the version to have concerning the OST Masters of ANH, ESB and ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 37 minutes ago, Bespin said: Well, it's the same version released in 2016 by Sony (on vinyl and digitally, but not on CD), right? Yea 37 minutes ago, Bespin said: It is absolutely the version to have concerning the OST Masters of ANH, ESB and ROTJ. Yea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 6,313 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny_g_65 0 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 FWIW, I saw these listings on HDTracks about a month ago, I don't know how long they've been up there. It was the $3.49 (!!!) for Star Wars that got me to do a double take. Since they used the original album covers and said "Sony Classical," I figured they were the LP masters, but I thought I would dig around and ask questions to be sure (I don't have anything to compare them with). I doubt they will put up Jedi since it is such as short album Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Yea $3.49 is a steal for these The page itself tells you how long they've been up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 2,895 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Very interesting indeed, especially since the 2016 remasters have been unavailable on to purchase anywhere since 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 11,531 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 That is weird. I assume Sony can't still profit off these if they no longer have the license though? But if it's Disney's work, why muddy the waters by having alternate versions of the same product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 26,851 Posted January 11 Popular Post Share Posted January 11 I'm guessing someone at Sony Music clicked the wrong button somewhere and now they are selling a product on HDTracks they are not legally entitled to sell. DrTenma, Brando, Manakin Skywalker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 848 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 So. I have the original CDs. I have LOTS of versions of these scores. Should I shell out the ~$10 for these? Are these DRM free? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 6,313 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 It was the first release of ESB original 2LP program on a digital format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 minutes ago, Tallguy said: So. I have the original CDs. I have LOTS of versions of these scores. Should I shell out the ~$10 for these? Are these DRM free? All HDTracks downloads are DRM free AFAIK Only you can decide if you want to legally own remastered versions of the original 1977 and 1980 LP presentations or not. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 2,895 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 13 hours ago, Tallguy said: So. I have the original CDs. I have LOTS of versions of these scores. Should I shell out the ~$10 for these? Are these DRM free? No DRM. And the only Star Wars release I'm aware of with a spectral watermark is TLJ, but that's Disney Record's doing and is therefore present on all HiFi resellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 113 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: No DRM. And the only Star Wars release I'm aware of with a spectral watermark is TLJ, but that's Disney Record's doing and is therefore present on all HiFi resellers. That's curious why did they add a spectral watermark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,703 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Because of DRM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 2,895 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 52 minutes ago, DrTenma said: That's curious why did they add a spectral watermark? It's somewhat common now in the record industry. I just find it strange that it only applies to TLJ and not the other films (and only the HiFi version), although obviously it shouldn't be present on any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 1,706 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 11/01/2022 at 6:00 PM, Manakin Skywalker said: No DRM. And the only Star Wars release I'm aware of with a spectral watermark is TLJ, but that's Disney Record's doing and is therefore present on all HiFi resellers. TFA was affected too. UMG supposedly stopped doing that in 2018 so the demasters, Solo and TROS aren't affected. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 2,895 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 54 minutes ago, Chewy said: TFA was affected too. UMG supposedly stopped doing that in 2018 so the demasters, Solo and TROS aren't affected. I tried it back with the 96kHz TFA files and at the time didn't detect anything. I haven't tried with the 192kHz files since I've gotten them so yeah you're probably right. Unfortunate, but at least they're not doing it anymore. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enderdrag64 118 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Having read through this entire thread I'm a little confused as to what mix was used for this. I've heard repeatedly it being said that they used the "film mix" - that would imply to me they used Tomlinson's mixes for the OT and Murphy's original mixes for the PT. But then nearly all of the complaints I've read about the remasters (at least the ones that don't involve reverb/wrong takes) are complaints about what sounds like changes to the mix (such as improper instrument balance and stuff). Does this imply that these use a new mix by Murphy for all 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 It's the film mixes, but not necessarily the same takes as was used in the actual films, hence the difference. Plus all the mastering issues. enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 177 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 On 10/1/2022 at 4:20 PM, aj_vader said: If you mean these; https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dd65d30848038447729ba11 (Star Wars) https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dd65ced848038447729b9bf (Empire) They are the Sony 2016 releases and not the Disney 2018 releases. Listened to the Main Title on SW and Imperial March on Empire and I can confirm they aren't the Disney versions. Is there a big difference of these vs what’s on apple music? I have never used this site,How does the downloads/purchases work? Can I only listen on the site? Thank you On 21/3/2018 at 3:59 PM, Trent B said: I am hoping in a year or two Disney will either give us proper remastered and complete versions of all six scores or let La-La Land or Intrada release complete remastered versions of all six. Still hoping, crazy nothing has happened yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 2,895 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 46 minutes ago, Gibster said: Is there a big difference of these vs what’s on apple music? I have never used this site,How does the downloads/purchases work? Can I only listen on the site? The 2016 remasters use the original vinyl masters from the 70's/80's, so they sound basically identical to how they did back then. In short, they sound significantly better than the 2018 remasters. HDTracks is no different than any other music purchasing site. You make a purchase, download/install their download client, and download the lossless files from there. You can't listen to the music on their site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 1,706 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: In short, they sound significantly better than the 2018 remasters. Not sure to agree with this. ANH and ROTJ definitely sound better on the 2018 demasters to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 6,313 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 The stereo wideness of ESB as been widened much more than the poor baked tapes could handle. That's the worse of the 6. They "tried" something with these demasters... and it didn't went as planned. Anyway, never listen to this with headpones. For the original trilogy, you can stick to the 2015 remastered versions of the Masters. The stereo is not very wide, but it's true to the original sound of the LPs. About the prequels... They reproduce some manual edits to (try) match those of the original CDs... but they were redone...ehhh... not as professionnaly Mike Matessino would have done them, you see? Shawn Murphy lost a bit of its reputation with these demasters... maybe he just fell into a trap. What can you do when the source material is in so bad condition? Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 7,411 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 The real problem with the ESB demaster stereo is that these "professionals" downmixed LCR to stereo by just putting the center channel in the right channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 1,583 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Ugh, on the RCA Victor Special Edition releases for both EMPIRE and JEDI they decided to raise the overall center channel destroying the original recording balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 11,531 Posted June 16 Popular Post Share Posted June 16 It's quite astonishing that so many attempts have been made to release the same 3 scores, yet almost all of them have gaping technical flaws that sour the listening experience. Even more astonishing we're nearly 3 years past Williams' third trilogy with no sign Disney are attempting to rectify the mess. Bayesian, Brando, JTW and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 177 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 hours ago, crumbs said: It's quite astonishing that so many attempts have been made to release the same 3 scores, yet almost all of them have gaping technical flaws that sour the listening experience. Even more astonishing we're nearly 3 years past Williams' third trilogy with no sign Disney are attempting to rectify the mess. and the longer they wait the worse the masters get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Not true. The masters are digitally preserved perfectly. They just haven't been worked on by a competent producer since the 90s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 177 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 8 minutes ago, Jay said: Not true. The masters are digitally preserved perfectly. They just haven't been worked on by a competent producer since the 90s Do you think anything will happen soon? it's crazy at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 6,313 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Here you can paste that MEME of a Skeleton waiting for a proper remaster of the Star Wars scores! Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 26,851 Posted June 16 Popular Post Share Posted June 16 Martinland, Holko, Bespin and 8 others 3 1 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 177 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I know there was comments about it earlier in the thread bit I have been un able to find them. What was the most recent thing he said about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 There's this from 2017 https://www.jwfan.com/?p=9994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,703 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 59 minutes ago, Jay said: Actually, that's Mike waiting for Disney to give him the go signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 177 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 minutes ago, Jay said: There's this from 2017 https://www.jwfan.com/?p=9994 thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 7,411 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 15 minutes ago, Jay said: There's this from 2017 https://www.jwfan.com/?p=9994 Which was the audio interview where he was asked the obligatory question about Disney doing SW expansions and he replied "well, what do you think?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 177 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 It would be really funny if someone changed the “help me obi wan you're my only hope” meme to “help us Mike you're our only hope” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 6,313 Posted June 16 Popular Post Share Posted June 16 Nothing is fun in that despair. Bayesian, crumbs and Smeltington 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 1,060 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Jay said: Not true. The masters are digitally preserved perfectly. They just haven't been worked on by a competent producer since the 90s Good news, although if it was done some years ago, hasn’t the technology to read and preserve old analogue master tapes digitally significantly improved in the last couple of decades? Or is it just the technology/software to remove hiss, pops and tape wow and all that kind of thing that has improved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,851 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Shawn Murphy's team transferred them all to digital in high res in 2017 for the albums this thread is about A transfer done now wouldn't be any different from what he captured in 2017, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 1,060 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 12 minutes ago, Jay said: Shawn Murphy's team transferred them all to digital in high res in 2017 for the albums this thread is about A transfer done now wouldn't be any different from what he captured in 2017, no Cool cool. Good to know! Just a shame what they did with those high res files really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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