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Roger says:

 

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Just so you know, Williams isn't particularly interested in having Rare Breed or Story of a Woman released.

 

To which @Thor asked:

 

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Roger, what is the source for your information regarding Williams' stance on those scores? Have you heard it directly from Williams himself?


STORY OF A WOMAN has been my no. 1 JW wish for a number of years now, ever since I finally saw the film.

 

To which Roger replied:

 

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Remember, composers can have any variety reasons for not wanting something out. Horner didn't want Young Guns out, probably not because he had anything against the score, but had a miserable time on it and didn't want to open that one back up. Not sure why Williams isn't interested in these, but he's the boss so we that's that.

 

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Sure. I'm just curious where this comes from -- did you personally ask his management, and then got a response from them (on his behalf)? Did you get a reply from Williams himself? Did you hear it from someone else? It kinda matters since there may any number of 'intervening' factors, e.g. that the management is requested to reply to such queries in general dismissive terms, whereas Williams himself would perhaps have responded differently if he was asked specifically about a project of this type? Stuff like that.

 

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I'm not particularly interested in seeing Intrada put on trial.

 


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Wouldn't the real boss in this case be Universal Pictures, even though I'm sure they defer to his interests out of respect?

 

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Being the boss is not the same as controlling the license. So yes, they defer to Williams.

 

 

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Roger, just out of curiosity are these the only titles that Mr Williams wishes not to be released, apart from Sugarland Express which I also understand that he has some say over.

 

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That I know of. We couldn't find elements to Plainsman or Screaming Woman so didn't bring them up.

 

 

 

Source: http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7754

 

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Get Daisy Ridley to present it to him, and it's a done deal.

This will not be popular to say that... but I'm 100 % on the side of JW... if he says NO, then we have to respect that.

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17 minutes ago, Matt S. said:

Who does this “Williams” guy think he is?????

 

A famous guitarist?

 

If JW doesn't want the original recording of The Rare Breed to be released, why did he allow The City of Prague Philharmonic to record a large amount of the music?

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Bespin said:

Seriously, I think no orchestra in the world really wants to record a JW work without asking his permission first.

 

$$$

 

18 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Why not?

 

Which orchestra would not want to record a piece of JW music? After all, in pure monetary terms, he's a "nice little earner".

I think that there might be a moral aspect, to this, a line which professional musicians might not wish to cross.

As for recording music that JW doesn't want released: if he does not own the rights to this music, then who can stop any orchestra recording it?

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5 hours ago, JTWfan77 said:

Weird that he was okay with Pete 'n' Tillie but not these.

 

Yes, really weird!

 

Sad news about Story of a woman.

It was my holy grail out of his unreleased scores too!

(by the way, even if it was up to Universal, they seem to want to wipe that film out of the face of the earh since they haven't even released  a VHS of it!)

 

As for Screaming Woman:

It's logical that they couldn't find the elements since it is said that Williams only wrote the end title 1 minute theme.

I guess it would be very easy for just one cue to get lost.

 

 

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We couldn't find elements to Plainsman or Screaming Woman so didn't bring them up.

 

Does that mean that they found elements to EVERYTHING else?

 

Daddy-O, Because they're young, The Secret Ways, etc.?

 

 

6 hours ago, Bespin said:

Seriously, I think no orchestra in the world really wants to record a JW work without asking his permission first.

 

$$$

 

 

SO for every single Williams recording we have from every orchestra in the world (and there are hundreds) they ask Williams or his team?

I find it hard to believe.

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42 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

SO for every single Williams recording we have from every orchestra in the world (and there are hundreds) they ask Williams or his team?

I find it hard to believe.

 

In any case, they pay royalties to JW.

 

The asking is perhaps a question of politeness, but I'm sure it's a good way to avoid a lawsuit. :)

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42 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

SO for every single Williams recording we have from every orchestra in the world (and there are hundreds) they ask Williams or his team?

I find it hard to believe.

 

No, typically they don't. 

 

They do however, have to pay royalties.

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13 minutes ago, Corellian2019 said:

 

Some bootlegs pop up every now and then on iOffer or eBay

I'm sure they all come from that incomplete TV rip that was up in youtube for a limited time (and taken down due to copyright claim by Universal)

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As I said in that thread, I'm still waiting for elaboration on the source. Does it come from Williams himself? Does it come from 'his people'? Is it a refusal based on that particular title, or more general guidelines for refusals that Williams has given his people (which is something that they often do for interview requests, for example)? Without that knowledge, it's all speculation, and Roger is unwilling to specify.

 

I will not believe Williams has personally boycotted STORY untill I see a direct, verified quote.

 

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This will not be popular to say that... but I'm 100 % on the side of JW... if he says NO, then we have to respect that.

 

Sure, I can respect that (if it is indeed true). But it doesn't automatically remove my enthusiasm for the score, or my desire to have it released -- like some magic wand. Williams, thankfully, doesn't own the experience of his own music.

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Pity about Story of a Woman but as for The Rare Breed I find the Prague Suite is just fine. 

 

I have  the DVD of A Rare Breed. Music sounds like it's just the one same cue being used over and over again. One major exception: a riff turns up late in the pic which is the Superman riff - and orchestrated in a similar way. Funny to think that Superman's music was originally written for some cows.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Williams vetoed A Rare Breed release because all the relevant music is already out there in the suite, or he thought it would somehow diminish what he wrote for Superman, or both

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58 minutes ago, That_Bloke said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Williams vetoed A Rare Breed release because all the relevant music is already out there in the suite

 

I think this is very unlikely. Why would he care about this?

 

It's more likely that he isn't happy with the score for some reason, or the production, or your Superman theory, or something personal that we have no idea about.  

 

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Poor Thor. :( Rambo III and Magic get re-released for 20 seconds of new music, but the stuff that is fully unreleased remains unreleased.

 

But honestly, we all know, there will be a very unfortunate day. And every score which the boss vetoes will be a slight consolation. I don't understand Mr. Williams. I mean, he has to know that it will be released sooner or later.

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2 hours ago, Nick1066 said:

 

I think this is very unlikely. Why would he care about this?

 

It's more likely that he isn't happy with the score for some reason, or the production, or your Superman theory, or something personal that we have no idea about.  

 

If he created the suite he may feel the suite to be the best representation of what he wrote for the movie. I find it the suite more interesting and entertaining than the music as heard in the film. If you've seen the movie, you'll hear how repetitive the score is. And yes, the playing in the film could be better.

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4 hours ago, Pieter_Boelen said:

The good news:

- The music still exists

- Intrada cares enough to ask

 

So the answer may be 'no' now, but that doesn't mean it can never change.

There is hope yet.

Well yeah, unless anything is stipulated in his estate, they could be released after he dies. 

1 hour ago, Fal said:

Maybe next time someone gets an Autograph, they can get something Story of a Woman related autographed? ;)

A notarized letter expressing his wishes that all sessions are released. Cover the page with a Star Wars LP and have him sign at the bottom. Done deal. 

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6 hours ago, That_Bloke said:

 

I have  the DVD of A Rare Breed. Music sounds like it's just the one same cue being used over and over again. One major exception: a riff turns up late in the pic which is the Superman riff - and orchestrated in a similar way. Funny to think that Superman's music was originally written for some cows.

 

The Superman riff isn't in the suite, right?

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6 hours ago, filmmusic said:

Maybe we should start a petition of 1000 people for the release Story of A Woman and it will be presented to Mr. Williams? ;):D

 

Honestly, John Goldfarb is out there, and this score isn't? :eh:

 

Yes, it sounds weird. But somehow, I doubt Williams had any say, or was even consulted, in the FSM releases of the late 90s and early 2000s.

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2 minutes ago, King Mark said:

so what's the point of this thread?

Well, it was significant news because up until now we were wondering why old scores of Williams don't get released, and if they have been found etc.

Now we know about 2 of them, that he doesn't want them released.

 

Next thing we'll hear that he doesn't want the complete Dracula to be released! :lol:

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3 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said:

 

Get Daisy Ridley to present it to him, and it's a done deal.

 

Daisy Ridley needs to push for her next project to be the remake of Story of a Woman, score by the Maestro, adapted from his earlier work, giving him the opportunity to revisit it's themes and create new concert suites for them in the process (dedicated to Daisy, of course) and ultimately discover that he would love for all his unreleased vintage scores to be put out there for Daisy, I mean the world (I mean us) to enjoy.

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11 hours ago, Nick1066 said:

 

I think this is very unlikely. Why would he care about this?

 

It's more likely that he isn't happy with the score for some reason, or the production, or your Superman theory, or something personal that we have no idea about.  

 

 

Isn't that reason (all the relevant music being in the suite) the reason why he's vetoed Sugarland? I'm sure it was something to do with him feeling that the re-recordings out there contained what he felt was necessary,

 

And 'Why would he care about this?' is a very odd question regarding a composer who clearly cares deeply about his album presentation.

 

16 hours ago, Bespin said:

This will not be popular to say that... but I'm 100 % on the side of JW... if he says NO, then we have to respect that.

 

Given that a large proportion of people here are probably content creators of some sort, this gets me thinking about if someone asked you to put something really early on the Internet and how you'd feel. I wouldn't want to.

 

But as fans, it's hard to see it from that perspective....

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44 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

Given that a large proportion of people here are probably content creators of some sort, this gets me thinking about if someone asked you to put something really early on the Internet and how you'd feel. I wouldn't want to.

 

OTOH, we know how it works in reality...

 

I'll will give an example with Roy Orbison, during if lifetime he always refused to release any of his concerts on albums, legit or bootlegs. 

 

ANY.

 

He always said that that we was not happy with the performances and with the quality of the recordings (he was right, BTW). The only concert he authorized was the "Black and White Night Live" recorded with an all-star cast in September 1987 (this is a MUST).

 

Roy Orbison died in december 1988.

 

In 1997 and 1999, is late wife and sons started to release some concerts & bootlegs... now we have so many, we can't count them...

 

That's life. :mellow:

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