The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 For crumbs: http://www.artofthescore.com.au/podcast/2018/4/3/episode-15-the-force-awakens-part-1 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Yay, at long last! I reckon I've been checking daily since TFA in concert! Something for the trip to work tomorrow then It seems this will be 3 parts, based purely on their recent tweets. Hopefully means they can discuss some elements of TLJ and Williams' development of the TFA material in the sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 950 Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 Fellow Aussies. Nice surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 4 hours ago, crumbs said: Yay, at long last! I reckon I've been checking daily since TFA in concert! Something for the trip to work tomorrow then It seems this will be 3 parts, based purely on their recent tweets. Hopefully means they can discuss some elements of TLJ and Williams' development of the TFA material in the sequel. According to their link above it will be two parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,572 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 They mentioned they have three podcasts in total that they have ready to release, so the third may be TLJ (let's hope so!). I just listened to the first part now, very enjoyable. Not much that I didn't already get from David W Collins' exceptional coverage on Oxygen, but great nonetheless. I do think they tend to reach pretty unrealistic places with some of their musical connections (especially Pogson who is obviously quite a big fan of Star Wars and gets easily carried away with fan theories), while some of the connections that I remain more convinced of (like the Rebel fanfare's influence in the March of the Resistance) remain unexplored. Also, the MoR is not a fugue. It has fugue-like elements in one passage of the concert arrangement, but a fugue it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,889 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 I love this podcast. Listening to them talk about JW's SW music is bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Only listened to the first half hour or so but these guys are superb podcasters. It's fantastic having three musically literate scholars discussing these scores -- Collins was the sole voice of intelligence on those otherwise excellent Oxygen podcasts. Nicholas Buc has conducted most (all?) of Williams' live to picture concerts in Australia, so he's heavily attuned to Williams' writing. He's conducting the world premiere of the Close Encounters LTP I believe. He did a superb job conducting TFA as well, was highly impressed with his timing on The Falcon and Scherzo. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,787 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 This was a very insightful, fun and entertaining and most of all illuminating podcast. All the three hosts are very articulate and know this subject inside out and luckily also give numerous illustrations on keyboard and from the soundtrack itself to those less musically knowledgeable when they illustrate musical connections and structures and draw comparisons with JW's past works and stylistic traits. Can't wait for part 2! Also I have to check out their previous shows as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Yeah the fact they actually extrapolate on their comparisons with live demos (like comparing the Terminal theme or Buckbeak's theme to Rey's) is extremely helpful, otherwise I'd be scratching my head at exactly what they're getting at. Also the comparisons to classical pieces I've never heard of, which Williams drew upon for March of the Resistance. Really reinforces the genius of Kylo Ren's two themes as well, especially when they compare the bridge of Vader's theme to Kylo's 'hesitation' theme. It just blows my mind away how closely linked everything is in these scores, all thanks to one genius composer still building upon the same framework after 40 years! Incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Part 2 has just been posted! Great way to start the weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 EDIT: ICE LANDING CLEAN!!!! You can clearly hear the Falcon/Finn motif that segues into the variations on the Rebel Fanfare, super cool! Plus Buc has lots of insight into TFA's isolated score (the final film score was 48 cues apparently, many of which featured multiple cues within each cue). Nicholas Buc (the conductor in this podcast) conducted the TFA live-to-film performances with the MSO and has the entirety of TFA as an isolated track, which is used throughout this podcast. Some really great discussion in this part around the various soundtrack releases for the series, Williams' album assemblies, and even the sound mixing of TFA's OST vs the film mix. CGCJ and Joni Wiljami 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 Any other unreleased music in there? (perhaps the little bit microedited out of Han and Leia?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Clean ending of the Vader cue is in there around 40:00 (when Kylo talks to the helmet). About 30 seconds of clean music from the map reveal cue. Thought this was just a dull underscore cue but there's some really interesting development Williams is doing in counterpoint to the map motif. It's in the scene where BB8 first shows Han/Finn/Rey the map to Luke onboard the Falcon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 483 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 26 minutes ago, Fal said: Any other unreleased music in there? (perhaps the little bit microedited out of Han and Leia?) There's the quote of Vader's theme from the end of "Legacy of the Darkside" (title on your edit) at 40:13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, crumbs said: Clean ending of the Vader cue is in there around 40:00 (when Kylo talks to the helmet). About 30 seconds of clean music from the map reveal cue. Thought this was just a dull underscore cue but there's some really interesting development Williams is doing in counterpoint to the map motif. It's in the scene where BB8 first shows Han/Finn/Rey the map to Luke onboard the Falcon. Thanks! if you could include timestamps, I would be eternally grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 483 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 09:56 Ice Landing 40:13 "Legacy of the Darkside" Vader theme ending 53:21 The map reveal cue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 minute ago, CGCJ said: 40:13 for "Legacy of the Darkside" Vader theme ending 53:21 for the map reveal cue Thanks! And Ice Landing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Williams' cue title for OST track The Starkiller was actually Sunbeam Strings. CGCJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 483 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fal said: And Ice Landing? 09:56. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fal said: And Ice Landing? 9:55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 Thanks for the help guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Great great podcast.......................... except for all the Last Jedi speculation which is just a bit annoying to sit through now. Thankfully that's not a huge part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,729 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Great great podcast.......................... except for all the Last Jedi speculation which is just a bit annoying to sit through now. Thankfully that's not a huge part of it. You're not excited to find out what happens in The Last Jedi?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 They must have thought at one point that they'd have the episodes out before TLJ, but it also seems like they were recorded right before TLJ came out. I wonder how, "we can turn these out in a few weeks" became "it will take us 6-9 months to put out these three parts" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 10:37 AM, crumbs said: EDIT: ICE LANDING CLEAN!!!! You can clearly hear the Falcon/Finn motif that segues into the variations on the Rebel Fanfare, super cool! Plus Buc has lots of insight into TFA's isolated score (the final film score was 48 cues apparently, many of which featured multiple cues within each cue). Nicholas Buc (the conductor in this podcast) conducted the TFA live-to-film performances with the MSO and has the entirety of TFA as an isolated track, which is used throughout this podcast. Some really great discussion in this part around the various soundtrack releases for the series, Williams' album assemblies, and even the sound mixing of TFA's OST vs the film mix. Also Part 1 has a bit of an unreleased section of Rathtar Escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Yep noticed that at the time but didn't think it was significant enough to point out lol It did give me hope that, if they had access to the MSO's isolated score, they might premiere some other unreleased cues in part 2. Lo and behold, they did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Yep noticed that at the time but didn't think it was significant enough to point out lol Well, it allows me to get rid of that super loud Millennium Falcon engine noise from my edit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Finn doesn’t have a theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,882 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 John Boyega is the only person who's been able to identify Finn's theme. Maybe it consists of only one note? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Williams probably just told him his theme was the Resistance March to shut him up. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,882 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Or Kylo's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 11:40 AM, crumbs said: Clean ending of the Vader cue is in there around 40:00 (when Kylo talks to the helmet). Just listened to this, it looks like JJ did the same slow down trick that Johnson used for Rey's Journey on this, you can hear the stretch, compare to the alternate brassy take from the TFA documentary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Yep it's very noticeable in the brass in isolated form. The score is crying out for an expanded edition without all the digitised trickery undertaken in the film mix. Help us Mike Matessino... You're our only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 596 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 They should rerecord the score, and rescore the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 15 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: John Boyega is the only person who's been able to identify Finn's theme. Maybe it consists of only one note? 14 hours ago, crumbs said: Williams probably just told him his theme was the Resistance March to shut him up. Or maybe he got to watch him record "I Can Fly Anything" or "The Resistance" and he thought Poe's theme was Finn's Funny, speaking of I was reminded recently of that other random Boyega quote from back in the day when he said he was pleased with the music for Finn taking his helmet off and I remember being confused that first scene with Phasma wasn't some kickass cue. In hindsight I bet he was talking about the use of the SW theme when he meets Poe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,889 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: Or maybe he got to watch him record "I Can Fly Anything" or "The Resistance" and he thought Poe's theme was Finn's Funny, speaking of I was reminded recently of that other random Boyega quote from back in the day when he said he was pleased with the music for Finn taking his helmet off and I remember being confused that first scene with Phasma wasn't some kickass cue. In hindsight I bet he was talking about the use of the SW theme when he meets Poe. I remember thinking the same thing, at least in regards to the scene where Finn takes off his helmet. It's just a bunch of low brass. Unrelated but I am reconsidering how I think of the chase/escape motif as the Art of the Score guys consider it a Falcon motif and the case in pretty convincing. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,696 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Yep, for two years I've considered that Finn's motif but they've made a compelling case for it to be more specific to the Falcon itself. The only curveball to that idea is the unreleased and unused "sneaking music" variation on the motif (with the plucked strings), which presumably accompanied the scene where Finn and Rey are sneaking around underneath the floor on the Rathtar freighter. The more overt motif reapplication would be the Rebel Fanfare though, which both new films use regularly to underpin the Falcon's heroics. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,199 Posted May 13, 2018 Author Share Posted May 13, 2018 And the fact that it starts playing way before the Falcon actually appears (in Follow Me) Ludwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,679 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Yeah, I still consider it just an adventure/escape motif. Heroes on the run. Ludwig and Jacck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Was there not speculation that Poe's Theme might be a shared identity with Finn? The little motif that appears throughout Follow Me and The Falcon which the guys here assign to the Falcon, was introduced when Finn tries to step up and help Rey before their encounter with the ship and might therefore be a theme for the character - it reappears in The Rathtar sequence when Rey and Finn reunite and later as they escape in the Falcon. Who knows? Williams and Boyega are conspiring against us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 4,475 Posted May 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2018 The Falcon music they refer to is the so-called “Finn’s theme”. But it’s really just an action ostinato. It serves a leitmotivic purpose (kinda) but not as Finn’s theme nor the Falcon's, but as a theme for the more kinetic action scenes, themselves. I like the Lehman-coined term "pursuit motif" or ostinato. Poe’s theme is his theme, alright. Williams said as much, and it’s also clear from the heroism which the theme suggests: doesn’t settle with Finn’s character, at all. Ludwig, Docteur Qui and Jacck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 596 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Really enjoying this. The interplay between the three presenters is funny, joyous, and clever. The clips they play are really enjoyable (they complain at one point that the OST sounds overproduced—I agree, I can’t stand it). To me, TLJ doesn’t negate or make less enjoyable the TFA-based speculation, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 There isn't a general thread for this podcast so I'm gonna post here. This is definitely my favorite score podcast running, but one thing that really annoys me about it is they rely WAY WAY too much on "sounds like" comparisons. We get it, music sounds like other music. Just analyze the score for pete's sake. For obvious reasons, it got way out of hand on the Gladiator episode. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,475 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just now, Disco Stu said: they rely WAY WAY too much on "sounds like" comparisons That. That, and "esque". Y'know the ones: "Walton-esque", etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I don't mind that. I like the way "-esque" is pronounced in an Australian accent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,882 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: For obvious reasons, it got way out of hand on the Gladiator episode. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martybmusic 54 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 18 hours ago, Disco Stu said: There isn't a general thread for this podcast so I'm gonna post here. This is definitely my favorite score podcast running I so love Art of the Score! Looking forward to exploring TFA at some point on UnderScore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Listening to the 1st Bond episode and just REVELING in the "007" theme from From Russia With Love. Always been a favorite. That rhythm! That leaping melody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PoggoAOTS 94 Posted November 16, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2018 I just registered on these forums and saw that there was an AOTS thread! I'm one of the co-hosts (Andrew Pogson). Sorry our TFA episodes were so delayed. I had a new kid at the end of last year and so editing duties went by the wayside. We're fairly back on board now though. Loving the discussions, compliments and criticisms of the show. Always helps us create better episodes as we go along. Thanks for tuning in! DarthDementous, Docteur Qui, Once and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-Mile Reef 127 Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Hi Andrew, really enjoy the show, loved the 'Conan' episode recently! PoggoAOTS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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