Ricard 2,242 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 It seems like "theme song" has become more and more widely accepted as a valid term when talking about instrumental themes for film, TV and games. Even the Merriam-Webster dictionary defines it as "a melody recurring so often in a musical play that it characterizes the production or one of its characters", and the related Wikipedia page doesn't seem to take into account that no one is singing in instrumentals -so it's pretty nonsensical to call it "song". What does JWFan think about this? Is there anything that can be done to prevent this misconception from spreading any further? Discuss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 We need to walk around spitting in people's faces - those who refer to instrumental cues as songs. Star Wars doesn't fucking have a theme song. TSMefford and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: We need to walk around spitting in people's faces What an excellent educational technique. I hope you don't have something contagious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: We need to walk around spitting in people's faces - those who refer to instrumental cues as songs. Star Wars doesn't fucking have a theme song. Sure it does! Gnome in Plaid and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 I used to get really uppity about this sort of thing, like a lot of people here, but then I realized I came off as a condescending jackass, so I've mellowed out with it. I'm cool with it, in other words. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,491 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Just ignore Youtube and Facebook comment sections, stupid "news" sites and normie blogs. If you don't see idiots being idiots, they can't make you angry or sad at the state of humanity. If someone wants to educate themselves, they can find ample media to broaden their descriptive vocabulary - I myself used used "Theme Song" when I was 10, barely knew any English, and had no idea what a leitmotif is or how complex scores or music in general can be (thanks, obligatory 12 years of singing/music class where all we did was slavishly sing 20-30 boring folk songs over and over again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 "Cue" is a strange word to say, admittedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: "Cue" is a strange word to say, admittedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Kyun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Make it obligatory to have lyrics for all themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,343 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Jurassic Park is frightening in the dark, all the dinosaurs are running wild... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 There, there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Make it obligatory to have lyrics for all themes. Somebody call Gene Roddenberry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 What is a Q? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I like the Indiana Jones theme song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 I'm sure it doesn't like you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Leave me alone, I have chronic back pain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Write a song about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Leanin' on my back pain Workin' for my back pay Fuck it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Then it only needs a tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 A song implies singing so instrumental compositions should not be called songs. And often singing implies lyrics which an orchestral or instrumental theme doesn't have either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Verily I say. Indeed.There it is. We should use term "theme tune" instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Looney Tunes... Jurassic Shark and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Incanus said: A song implies singing so instrumental compositions should not be called songs. And often singing implies lyrics which an orchestral or instrumental theme doesn't have either. In that case, my favourite theme songs are Duel of the Fates and all the sing song parts from Lord of the Rings, like that part where Fredo and Gollum fight in the volcano. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: In that case, my favourite theme songs are Duel of the Fates and all the sing song parts from Lord of the Rings, like that part where Fredo and Gollum fight in the volcano. In which case you would be correct. Great songs all. And it is Frodo not Fredo. Of all the people you should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,687 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Incanus said: And it is Frodo not Fredo. Of all the people you should know better. I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 He's a heartbreaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect! Are you paraphrasing Trump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,973 Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2018 Calling cues songs doesn't bother me. They can call it whatever, I don't care really. It's not really a crime to not be familiar with "correct" terminology. After all "score" in most people's eyes has more to do with football or being promiscuous rather than film music. What does bother me, though, is when we hear and trailer renditions of classic themes and people call them "genius and emotionally powerful" reinterpretations. All stripped down to bare chords most of the time. When people can't distinguish between virtuoso musicianship and cheap sounding synth just because it gives you more of an adrenaline rush. Don't get me wrong, there is place for all sorts genres and approaches in film music but it's the lack of nuance and people wanting the easy stuff that's killing it all (to be a bit dramatic). Terminology is the least of an issue here. Karol Kasey Kockroach, Incanus, Docteur Qui and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, crocodile said: Calling cues songs doesn't bother me. They can call it whatever, I don't care really. It's not really a crime to not be familiar with "correct" terminology. After all "score" in most people's eyes has more to do with football or being promiscuous rather than film music. What does bother me, though, is when we hear and trailer renditions of classic themes and people call them "genius and emotionally powerful" reinterpretations. All stripped down to bare chords most of the time. When people can't distinguish between virtuoso musicianship and cheap sounding synth just because it gives you more of an adrenaline rush. Don't get me wrong, there is place for all sorts genres and approaches in film music but it's the lack of nuance and people wanting the easy stuff that's killing it all (to be a bit dramatic). Terminology is the least of an issue here. Karol Omg dat trailer music for TFA gave me da feelz. But da muthafuckas didnt put it on da souwndtrk. Bitchez Kasey Kockroach and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,242 Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 21 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: those who refer to instrumental cues as songs. 20 hours ago, Holko said: Just ignore Youtube and Facebook comment sections, stupid "news" sites and normie blogs. If you don't see idiots being idiots, they can't make you angry or sad at the state of humanity. If someone wants to educate themselves, they can find ample media to broaden their descriptive vocabulary 8 hours ago, Incanus said: A song implies singing so instrumental compositions should not be called songs 7 hours ago, crocodile said: Calling cues songs doesn't bother me. I’m not referring to the random guy talking about the Star Wars “songs” -that’s practically as old as film music itself and it’s just a sign of understandable ignorance on the matter. But to the current trend (which didn’t really exist a few years ago) of calling instrumental themes for film, TV and games “theme songs” (“songs are for pop/rock, theme songs are for movies and stuff”) as a sort of official, consensual, universally approved term used in all kinds of publications, including newspapers, dictionaries and wikipedias. It’s as if the world has finally figured out how they are called, and they’re making it official. And very few dare to contradict it. Holko and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,008 Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 You should make a petition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,713 Posted April 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 22, 2018 To the JWFan petition mobile! Na na na na na na na na JWFan! Jurassic Shark, Fabulin and Kasey Kockroach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 23 hours ago, Margo Channing said: I like the Indiana Jones theme song. Whip crack away? dtw42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,713 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, Hawmy said: Whip crack away? Wouldn't "Where there's a whip, there' a way" more appropriate lyrics-wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon McBride 113 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I don't want to go to war today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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