Holko 9,499 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I've heard plenty of music digitally that has the exact same sound quality and warmth I remember grandma's LPs having. blondheim and Gurkensalat 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Just now, Holko said: I've heard plenty of music digitally that has the exact same sound quality and warmth I remember grandma's LPs having. So have I. That's why I said "upgrade, if need be". Most things are just fine on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Nostalgic Audiophiles can play CDs or FLACs processed thought a tube amplifier. One day, I'll buy one. The distortion of the vinyl itself is not enough to get me excited! blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 All new recordings that are issued on vinyl originate from a digital file. So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: All new recordings that are issued on vinyl originate from a digital file. So... This is likely true now and a very good point. Physical media and its methods are going the way of practical effects. Weh! BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, blondheim said: I shouldn't have said it is a fact since I can't properly explain why. Something about the space around the sound being captured on vinyl in a way that CDs cut it off, and that sound being integral to the full experience. I can hear an obvious difference. I have the same recordings in vinyl rip and CD-quality lossless and on blind spot tests, I have always been able to determine which is which. Not sections with obvious popping. I think the fact that vinyl is etched-in gives it a visceral texture it wouldn't have otherwise. I always buy CD first because vinyl can be made wrong and can be an expensive purchase to take that chance on. When I have the CD, I am more inclined to upgrade, if need be. I don't think anyone can really hear the difference between 16 and 24 bit audio. And let me defend mono here: a lot of amazing classical recordings came out in mono, once upon a time. There was a label (I have raved about it before) that hung microphones over the audience on laundry lines and moved them during the recording sessions to isolate and round out different pockets of sound. It is really incredible, and due to the denseness of the mono trying to sound stereo, it has a quality basically nothing else has. Irrespective of these technical considerations on different media, I have just realised that the only track containing Anne-Sophie's Strad (Daryl's Dance) seems louder than the orchestral tracks. Was this oversteered and why? I found Across the Stars was mostly oversteered. 5 hours ago, handz said: What day is the cover photo from? 19. January 2020. The blue-tie day. The inner cover is from the first concert with silver tie. There are at least two silver-tie sections on the Bluray: "Guten Tag" and introduction to Tintin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 This time, just got a confirmation from DG Store that this https://store.deutschegrammophon.com/p51-i0028948391929/john-williams-wiener-philharmoniker-anne-sophie-mutter/john-williams-in-vienna-ltd-golden-2lp-/index.html is shipping Can't wait to receive both this and the Blu-ray BB-8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 10 hours ago, Biodome said: Can you actually hear any difference in the quality of the sound, compared to the usual CD format? I've heard about the UHQCD technology before, but I've never bought any of these, unsure if they were worth the price or not. I am not sure. I have some HD files with MQA and a system that will unfold them, but I think this will be my first CD in that format. If played on small headphones, I doubt there is a difference (maybe in spatial separation?). But on an open air large speaker set up, it might be audible. I order the disc as much for the audio possibilities as just owning the disc in my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/08/13/john-williams-concert-gets-the-dolby-atmos-treatment-on-blu-ray-and-amazon-music/ John Williams Concert Gets The Dolby Atmos Treatment On Blu-Ray And Amazon Music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 That’s really cool. But how many people have atmos at home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 C3PO-coloured vinyl on its way, too. From Universal via DHL. MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 58 minutes ago, toothless said: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2020/08/13/john-williams-concert-gets-the-dolby-atmos-treatment-on-blu-ray-and-amazon-music/ John Williams Concert Gets The Dolby Atmos Treatment On Blu-Ray And Amazon Music Here's the Trailer for that: Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,510 Posted August 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2020 . rough cut, Maglorfin and Amer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Torturous, this is. Tydirium and Fabulin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Listening to the album now and there is indeed no applause. Sound quality is great! That Devil's Dance track is lit 🔥 Amer and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 My CD is supposed to arrive from Amazon on Tuesday, can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 The sound of a tube amp... Temptation! Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 So far, Close Encounters, ET, War Horse and basically all of the slower pieces just take my breath away. Also I urge everybody to check out Rebellion is Reborn on this one. ......but still there are also some glaring performance issues. Shark Cage Fugue sounds like a good right-read session at moments. SW main titles is also problematic (although amazing in sound). blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 How different is the track listing between CD, vinyl, and blu ray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 On 8/13/2020 at 12:01 PM, rough cut said: That’s really cool. But how many people have atmos at home? I don't know, but I am one of the lucky people to have it embedded in my home theater system. I have never been more excited to get the Blu-Ray and CD set. I cannot wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 10 hours ago, rough cut said: That’s really cool. But how many people have atmos at home? We just remodeled and we added ceiling speakers so as to have height speakers for Atmos playback! Will report what I think of the mix whenever my disc arrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,625 Posted August 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2020 The brass sounds fantastic and smooth .I guess those valve trumpets are a good thing .I like the warmth of the recordings like War horse Jurassic Park...wow. One of the best version of the theme ever. Almost tops the OST but sound wise it does Further in.This c.d. sounds fucking amazing. Rebellion is Reborn is awesome I just wish he'd played The Rise of Skywalker too.That piece is just begging to be played by this orchestra. Or the revised Han Solo and the Princess is Anne Sophie Mutter playing in E.T.? I noticed a new violin orchestration. The performance mistake in Star Wars was fixed a bit? now it sounds like a small editing glitch in the c.d. Too bad because sound wise it's the one of the best ever ricsim88, Will and Bayesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 No, she wasn’t on stage for E.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 On 8/12/2020 at 11:24 PM, blondheim said: Is it sad that I am even excited to investigate this apparent mistake? That is what keeps music alive!! The sheer diverdity of composition, performance and perception. There will never be an ultimate version of ET's Adventures, but this new versiion is close to perfection and has a new colour shade and a golden shine to it. By saying this, I am not downgrading the Boston Pops version on Sony which has its independent qualities. And I could still die for the Bostonian Flight to Neverland! blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 hours ago, BB-8 said: There will never be an ultimate version of ET's Adventures It's on the OST. BB-8 and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Why do you want to listen to music in ATMOS?. When you go to a concert do they sit part of the orchestra in a sling hanging from the ceiling? It's crazy, man! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I don’t mind technical advancements, and a properly set up Atmos system (with good source) should sound better than a 5.1. The obvious benefit would be for home cinema, but for concert movies, think of it as reverb, perhaps? I do, however, think that Atmos has very limited actual benefit in consumers’ home due to the laborsome set up you have to do (freakin’ speakers in the ceiling, man) to get it right! It’s complicated enough to set up a proper 5.1 and I doubt that most consumers - assuming they even have a system - even get speaker placement right for “just” that. That said, I’m glad to see that JW’s concert is at the forefront of technological achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Atmos is for theaters. People who install it in Home systems are just showing off. 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Anyone in USA getting the Ltd Collectors Edition Vinyl yet? I just want to know if besides shipping you have to pay any duties or additional fee (US only) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: Atmos is for theaters. People who install it in Home systems are just showing off. 😆 I think that there can be actual benefits to gain if you have the time and money to invest in Atmos, but for most of us I'm guessing the effort it would take going from a good 5.1 system to Atmos is not worth the difference in improvement for most of us - but that would be highly individual. That said, I'd rather hear about people investing in a Atmos (or even a good 5.1 system for that matter!) and good speakers and getting their setup right, rather than spending their money on Hi-res audio files where the actual benefit is extremely minimal no matter what system your're using, that benefit is more theoretical than practical. But I guess, all that is niche. Even "regular" lossless sound, not to mention having 5+ speakers. Most listen to music through a lossy streaming services, and how many know that DVD audio is lossy? There are still far too many out there who are still buying DVDs who probably don't have HD equipment at home... For example, there was a minor burst of outrage on the forum when the concert wasn't released on DVD, and everybody here probably has a bigger interest in movies and music than most , so just imagine the status of the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Nobody else listened so far? It’s been out on Spotify for already 12 hours guys! (Well in my country at least) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 510 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I have and I am loving every second of it. Remco and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matthias 267 Posted August 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2020 Marion's theme... the strings are playing all out romantically, one of my favorite memories from the concert! At this rate, are they going to put the entire concert on YouTube? I wouldn't mind right now, because I accidentally let my BluRay/CD combo be delivered to the wrong address 🤪 (I'll get it on the weekend). Remco, MaxTheHouseelf, blondheim and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 5 hours ago, BB-8 said: That is what keeps music alive!! The sheer diverdity of composition, performance and perception. Nah, some of it is just a bit unprofessional for an orchestra of this level. Well, it can happen of course, but it shouldn’t make its way to an album. Since they did a repair session after the concert, I think it’s weird they couldn’t fix the Main Titles. Surely they can play a march in 4/4 together right? Listening to it again, it MIGHT also just be the engineer fucking up a crossfade. I don’t know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 What timestamp are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What timestamp are you referring to? About 0:19 to 0:24. Anyway, before I get attacked for complaining about it, most of the pieces on the album are just the golden standard from now on :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I was thinking it could be 0:21 here: https://open.spotify.com/track/31BLOz0XDJPPDKI94Gd14v?si=o1XOC701SyKJLCInA0CUFg blondheim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: I was thinking it could be 0:21 here: https://open.spotify.com/album/53DgWmMJUAH4Xs0fS5qIW2 This just opens the album for me, but yes 0:21 in Main Titles is most noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Link corrected. The WPO is just not quite a first-rate orchestra.* *When it comes to film music. They have a lot of catching up to do! Anybody else thinks the trumpet in the Raiders march sounds too polite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Well, considering it’s not standard repertoire for them, they did a marvelous job. But pieces like the Shark Cage Fugue probably needed some more time before CD recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondheim 1,157 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 This flub is not that bad, folks. It's even a little charming. Phew, with all this talk about it, I was expecting far worse. BB-8 and Steve 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 42 minutes ago, Remco said: But pieces like the Shark Cage Fugue probably needed some more time before CD recording. Yeah, it's threatening to fall apart in places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Maglorfin 196 Posted August 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2020 Getting the HUGEST goosebumps listening to E.T., Jurassic Park, SW Main Title and The Imperial March (IMHO the best recorded performance of all time)! Fantastic, fantastic performances in amazing sound. Admittedly, there are some minor issues (some of which I actually wouldn't expect from an orchestra of such calibre, prestige and reputation) BUT in this case I must say that they somehow sound kind of charming to me. All in all, an outstanding release and I will cherish unforgetable memories of January concert forever. Matthias, bigjimwilson and Bespin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjimwilson 253 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I've just had a thought while watching some of the video...... now as a disclaimer, obviously I adore John, why else would i be here?! and I really do respect the orchestra as being one of the best in the world, and I was at the concerts in person and honestly couldn't have hoped for a better experience...... so, with that said.... Does anyone here who might be more familiar with the orchestra than I am, (Marian?... I'm thinking maybe you) do we know how much of the Wiener Philharmoniker "A-Team" we have here? I'm thinking about orchestras here in the UK who regularly have players dep their places out to stand in players. I'm assuming it works the same way the world over? I'll never forget the disappointment I felt after attending a Beethoven performance from the Hallé here in Manchester, and talking to one of the woodwind players in the pub afterwards. My friend mentioned that I was coming to the Williams night they were having the following week, and before the sentence was even finished, she rolled her eyes and said "hmmmm, all a bit 'pops' for me, I think I'll be depping that one out." I think my reply was just "wow. well, I couldn't possibly disagree with you more if I tried." I wanted to make some quip about being careful heading back to the busy bar, your musical blinkers might cause problems. But I left it Anyway. I've seen the Hallé on nights where they're obviously the top players, and I've seen nights where they were lacking in certain areas. Sometimes it's down to conductor, but I guess sometimes it's down to the experience of the players too. The majority of this concert recording is absolutely perfect. But, as is the nature of live music.. there are a few little flubs here and there. And yes, we can't forget that Johnny is getting on a bit, and I wouldn't be surprised if by the time the Shark Cage Fugue came round he was waiting for his second wind. None of this takes away from my huge enjoyment of the album. It's a snapshot of a wonderful historic moment in time, and this is how it happened. Having seen a few New Year concerts with the Vienna Phil, and watching some clips of them with Andris Nelsons, I'm noticing some familiar faces but also seeing plenty that aren't there in the Williams footage. Members come and go, I understand that, but I have no idea how regular change over is. So I suppose my question is.... with the orchestra not being well known at all for their "pops" performances, do you think the line up we have at these concerts is made up of the regular players, or more "understudys" who might have been more excited about the prospect of a Williams concert? Was our dear John snubbed by any of the orchestra regulars do we think? Just a thought! Wondering if anyone else has a take on it. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 hours ago, rough cut said: 5 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Atmos is for theaters. People who install it in Home systems are just showing off. 😆 I think that there can be actual benefits to gain if you have the time and money to invest in Atmos, but for most of us I'm guessing the effort it would take going from a good 5.1 system to Atmos is not worth the difference in improvement for most of us - but that would be highly individual. That said, I'd rather hear about people investing in a Atmos (or even a good 5.1 system for that matter!) and good speakers and getting their setup right, rather than spending their money on Hi-res audio files where the actual benefit is extremely minimal no matter what system your're using, that benefit is more theoretical than practical. But I guess, all that is niche. Even "regular" lossless sound, not to mention having 5+ speakers. Most listen to music through a lossy streaming services, and how many know that DVD audio is lossy? There are still far too many out there who are still buying DVDs who probably don't have HD equipment at home... For example, there was a minor burst of outrage on the forum when the concert wasn't released on DVD, and everybody here probably has a bigger interest in movies and music than most , so just imagine the status of the general public. My motivation to have them installed was much more of experimentation and seeing if I would enjoy having Atmos for watching 4K Atmos movies. We were already repainting the room and adding the wires for 5.1 which the previous owners had not had in the space. I doubt I would have just put up the speakers without all the other work already being done; it was a minor add in with our work being done. (There are set ups where you can have surround speakers that have up firing drivers to create an illusion of height speakers. Heck even some sound bars feature that so people can add Atmos without the extra wiring. That feels like showing off since it's not truly Atmos and going to very dependent on the reflections from the ceiling.) For movies that are properly mixed, Atmos is quite nice in blending in the surrounds to be less directionally obvious and more atmospheric a sound field. So, for that, I like them a lot. For music listening, even for 5.1 SACDs, I don't have them on since the source material was not mixed that way. (My Denon will process sound into them if asked, but I do not think the result is any good.) With music in general, most 5.1 SACDs are good when they use the surrounds for minimal for acoustics of the hall. When they do too much there, the experience is defeated and I just switch to stereo. As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, a good mono recording and mix can be great. I completely agree. So, it's really a matter of flexibility in having the extra speakers. And with the JW in Vienna Blu-ray on its way where they have done an Atmos mix, I am excited to experience the music this way to see what the mixing team has done. Believe me, if I think it sounds lousy, I will just watch the video in 5.1 or stereo. Atmos streams can be decoded into various configurations so the mix should be whatever they decided in mastering. We'll see. I'm glad to have something new to experiment with which was probably why I set the whole system up anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Thanks for the write up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,461 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 20 hours ago, BB-8 said: C3PO-coloured vinyl on its way, too. From Universal via DHL. Gold vinyl No 394/1000 has just arrived! BuzzLightyear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matthias 267 Posted August 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 hours ago, bigjimwilson said: Does anyone here who might be more familiar with the orchestra than I am, (Marian?... I'm thinking maybe you) do we know how much of the Wiener Philharmoniker "A-Team" we have here? I'm thinking about orchestras here in the UK who regularly have players dep their places out to stand in players. I'm assuming it works the same way the world over? Having seen a few New Year concerts with the Vienna Phil, and watching some clips of them with Andris Nelsons, I'm noticing some familiar faces but also seeing plenty that aren't there in the Williams footage. Members come and go, I understand that, but I have no idea how regular change over is. So I suppose my question is.... with the orchestra not being well known at all for their "pops" performances, do you think the line up we have at these concerts is made up of the regular players, or more "understudys" who might have been more excited about the prospect of a Williams concert? Was our dear John snubbed by any of the orchestra regulars do we think? Just a thought! Wondering if anyone else has a take on it. I wouldn’t necessarily say that there is such a thing as a Philharmoniker "A-Team". Yes, this is a large orchestra that even regularly plays two performances at the same time (for instance one in the opera and one in the Musikverein or on tour) and they do use substitutes to fill out the string section in these cases. However, the vast majority of the players (including most importantly the principals) are always going to be Philharmoniker. It‘s no different here. The huge brass section seems to be there completely even, they had to mobilize everyone for JW‘s music. 😅 IMHO, the only place where the cast of these concerts was sub-par is the concertmaster. The VPO has 4 concertmasters and they often use 2 in concerts. Here, they used only one, Fedor Rudin, and he‘s still very young and inexperienced (he‘s only been with the orchestra for slightly more than a year). The poor guy looked visibly stressed during the concerts. I can’t help but think that someone like Volkhard Steude (probably my favorite of the 4 concertmasters) would‘ve smoothed out some of the communication issues between orchestra and conductor and kept everything more together. But for the most part, I think the issues that arose were due to the orchestra not being familiar with some of the pieces, not because the players weren’t the best the VPO has to offer. Sadly, even the VPO isn’t immune to that. MaxTheHouseelf, Remco, Joni Wiljami and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,471 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 From now on, I'm going to avoid this thread as much as possible, so I'm as fresh as possible when I get the set. As I said over on FSM, it will be a dual experience for me. On the one hand, immense frustration that I had to sell my ticket due to other obligations and the envy I feel towards those who were able to attend, and on the other hand delight in seeing Williams conduct a great concert, in sparkling sound and video. But I want to go in as unprepared as possible, to get the full impact. Haven't ordered it yet, though. Hopefully, it won't sell out. bigjimwilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 11 hours ago, King Mark said: is Anne Sophie Mutter playing in E.T.? No, it was Drew Barrymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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