Jay 37,352 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I can't think of the last time one musical label made so many versions of the same album Martinland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I have only the original Blu+CD release (cardboard Blu-ray case with golden label). But I'd buy a standard CD jewel case version with yellow label, regardless of content. I.e. the one single thing they haven't released yet, it seems. Martinland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: But I'd buy a standard CD jewel case version Audience-free 1 CD in jewel case: https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/product/B089BMTKFF Live Edition 2 CD in jewel case: https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/product/B08PDP4BLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Audience-free 1 CD in jewel case: https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/product/B089BMTKFF Live Edition 2 CD in jewel case: https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/gp/product/B08PDP4BLD I said "with yellow label". And I should also have said "with Latin characters on the spine". Basically I'd just like a version for my CD shelf that looks like a "proper" DG release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Oh ok What does the color of the label signify? I don't understand that part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 42 minutes ago, Jay said: Oh ok What does the color of the label signify? I don't understand that part "In 1949, Deutsche Grammophon sold the German rights of the His Master's Voice trademark to the Electrola unit of EMI. The dog and gramophone were replaced by the crown of tulips, designed by Siemens advertising consultant Hans Domizlaff." Maybe tulips are yellow? Deutsche Grammophon - Wikipedia The designer apparently was a pioneer of "corporate design" - with certain roots in Nazi-Germany, but with an interesting role in nature conservation. Hans Domizlaff – Wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Is that the reason you mentioned the yellow label, @Marian Schedenig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 2 hours ago, BB-8 said: "In 1949, Deutsche Grammophon sold the German rights of the His Master's Voice trademark to the Electrola unit of EMI. The dog and gramophone were replaced by the crown of tulips, designed by Siemens advertising consultant Hans Domizlaff." Interesting article. I never knew HMV used to belong to DG. 46 minutes ago, Jay said: Is that the reason you mentioned the yellow label, @Marian Schedenig? In a way, but it's much more simple than that. I basically grew up with Deutsche Grammophon recordings - first my father and my grandmother had a lot of DG LPs, then my father had a lot of DG CDs, and when I started listening to orchestral music myself, many of my first CDs (including some recordings I still treasure) were DG's, a lot of them conducted by Karajan, but also some Kubelik and the odd Bernstein. I suppose being Austrian might be a factor; many of the classic recordings of the core repertoire from composers from and/or associated with Vienna are on DG, especially those by "local" artists like Karajan, Böhm, Kubelik, etc. And all those recordings always had the same basic design - the yellow "Deutsche Grammophon" shield, usually placed prominently at the top of the front cover (like on the Williams release). Smaller versions of the shield were usually reserved for budget re-releases - I had quite a few of those, but the big yellow shield sort of embodied the concept of a premium release. For me (and I believe many others from Austria and Germany who grew up with their catalogue), it's an immensely iconic design, and being familiar with the shield on the big LP covers as a child only amplifies the effect, for probably the same reason that some people here buy Williams albums on vinyl even when they don't even have a record player. The shield was always yellow, and the CD spine and back cover were usually white, with the top and bottom of the spine (where the label and release number are) also the same yellow. Sometimes, on early digital releases, the whole spine was yellow. For a while, the "Resonance" budget series (which included many classic standard repertoire recordings, including Karajan's early 1960s Beethoven cycle) even featured an entirely yellow plastic inlay (instead of the usually blackish grey). DG has done releases with a golden version of the shield before, perhaps most prominently the "Karajan Gold" cycle consisting of re-releases of Karajan's digital recordings. But for me, the original yellow label says "classical music recording tradition" like nothing else. So I'd just like to have a "proper" version of the cover that seamlessly integrates with all those iconic Karajan Bruckner and Strauss albums. Miguel Andrade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 This is an interesting article/slideshow on the history of DG's designs:https://artsandculture.google.com/exhibit/the-history-of-dg-logos-deutsche-grammophon/BgListzNow_IIg?hl=en Miguel Andrade and BB-8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Do you have any reason to believe DG will put out a version of the Vienne album in the way you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Do you have any reason to believe DG will put out a version of the Vienne album in the way you want? None whatsoever - except that considering the number of different release they've made of the concert, and that some of them do have the normal yellow shield, and the fact that one of the Japanese releases is pretty much what I'd like (just with Kanji), it wouldn't surprise me if some future release fits my criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I'll let you know when my yellow label Japanese version arrives if there's an all English version on the inside you can flip over or something! Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 24, 2021 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Covers and cardboards... two endless subjects on JWfan! Fabulin and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 24, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted February 24, 2021 That reminds me, on my New Year's walk around the city I saw this in the shop windows of the local EMI (i.e. HMV) store: I told my mother that it would make a nice birthday present if they're free to give it away once they don't display it any more (wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more), but she later told me that she'd asked and they said it's actually glued to the window and won't be usable anymore after they remove it. Jay, BB-8, bigjimwilson and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Isn't it a bit embarrassing for a store that calls itself EMI Austria to have a big DG logo in the window? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB-8 3,473 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 5 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Isn't it a bit embarrassing for a store that calls itself EMI Austria to have a big DG logo in the window? ...and to flag Jonas Kaufmann who is on Sony? Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,653 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Here is a little secret--all corporate powers are, at the end of the day, in it together. bollemanneke, Jurassic Shark and Martinland 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Isn't it a bit embarrassing for a store that calls itself EMI Austria to have a big DG logo in the window? How much of the big HMV in Oxford Street's stock was actually produced by HMV (before they closed for good)? They're first of all a record store, one of the few that remain today. One of the few others of note is Gramola (who closed down the other of their two shops (where I bought so many of my early CDs) years ago), and they also double as a record label. Plus, I bought my very first CD at that EMI store, and that was The Star Wars Trilogy (the Skywalker Symphony album)… on Sony. I rarely went there afterwards, because they were always ridiculously expensive. But I do remember I also picked up Goldenthal's Titus there. Also Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 That was my first CD too. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 It's a good first CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Except for that Jabba the Hut track... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 What's wrong with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Sounds like a rehearsal for the soloist. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 It's been a long time since I listened to it, but I never had an issue with that. My one problematic track on that album is Here They Come - it's just too slow and lacks energy, especially when you know the Gerhardt version. I like the tempi of the other tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Gerhardt is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 That whole Skywalker CD lacks energy and tempo. Boston Pops and LSO all the way for me. Joni Wiljami and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: That whole Skywalker CD lacks energy and tempo. Boston Pops and LSO all the way for me. Of the re-recordings, I prefer the albums by Gerhardt and Kojian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I haven't ever listened to that last one, but Gerhardt is certainly good, though the orchestra sometimes sounds too far away from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I haven't ever listened to that last one Here it is. 8 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Gerhardt is certainly good, though the orchestra sometimes sounds too far away from me. It's certainly a very dynamic recording. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 “Live Edition” coming with six bonus tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,653 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 DG must have chatted with George Lucas about how to best milk a single product. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Isn't this the same 2 CD "Live Edition" we've been talking about weeks ago? Or is this yet another different version? It's hard to keep track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 It’s the one that’s already out bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Admittedly, I don’t follow this thread - first I heard about it was today on Twitter. My apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Oh, thank God it's not yet another one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 There’s too many to keep track of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted April 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 Okay, I have to apologize in this thread. Went over to a friend’s house who has a wonderful surround set and we watched/listened to the blu-ray with Dolby Atmos. As Flight To Neverland started I was prepared for the late horns entry and when the moment came... It actually sounded just fine? Like pretty much else on the album all of the problems in ensemble playing suddenly vanished? What is this sorcery? In a space like the Musikverein it makes sense that subtle timing differences actually blend well together because of the acoustics but I just can’t believe how it did translate to this mix so well but not to the regular release which I’ve been complaining about. Holko, Gurkensalat and Pawel P. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Exact same experience here. Something about watching the video too, or maybe a different mix, or both, made me not even notice the edit in SW that bothers me a lot on album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 lol, come on Mike mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I mean really, what was Anne-Sophie Mutter attempting to do by demanding credit for playing violin on Raiders March? Does she get royalties from each individual track stream she's on or something? I was at the concert and her lingering around to play Raiders' Violin 1 part felt awkward anyway, but now she actually gets credit for being on that track even though she played the sectional like the rest of the orchestra? Just think it's odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, tmarps said: Does she get royalties from each individual track stream she's on or something? Of course she does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,342 Posted April 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Holko said: Exact same experience here. Something about watching the video too, or maybe a different mix, or both, made me not even notice the edit in SW that bothers me a lot on album. I didn't even need the video to enjoy the live concert. I think something changes psychologially when you have the applause and JW's interludes. I happily accept flaws in a concert, not on something that sounds like a studio recording. Nothing stopped the producers from recording additional pick-ups for the first CD edition. The concert can be flawed. Remco, Holko and Gurkensalat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 40 minutes ago, Jay said: Of course she does Now it all makes sense.. surprised she doesn't claim royalties from the "Imperial March" as she did sit at the side of the stage watching.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 591 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: I didn't even need the video to enjoy the live concert. I think something changes psychologially when you have the applause and JW's interludes. I happily accept flaws in a concert, not on something that sounds like a studio recording. Nothing stopped the producers from recording additional pick-ups for the first CD edition. The concert can be flawed. I'm preaching this since last august It was even more special to witness it live! bigjimwilson and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 hours ago, tmarps said: her lingering around to play Raiders' Violin 1 part felt awkward anyway Really? Most people thought it was a combination of cute and awesome. Holko and bigjimwilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted April 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 hours ago, tmarps said: I mean really, what was Anne-Sophie Mutter attempting to do by demanding credit for playing violin on Raiders March? Does she get royalties from each individual track stream she's on or something? I was at the concert and her lingering around to play Raiders' Violin 1 part felt awkward anyway, but now she actually gets credit for being on that track even though she played the sectional like the rest of the orchestra? Just think it's odd. Who says she "demanded" it? She was there, she played along (because she's a fan), and unlike in the amplified open air premiere of the album, she blended seamlessly with the violin section. It's natural to credit her on the album because she was indeed playing in the track. PS: I much prefer my own title for track 4 (on my Blu rip): "Guten Tag" and Introducing Anne-Sophie Mutter Miguel Andrade, Fabulin and MaxTheHouseelf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 ASM playing on Raiders was great, I loved that she joined in. bigjimwilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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