Remco 685 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 6 hours ago, Jay said: lol, come on Mike Who's Mike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bollemanneke 3,308 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Steve said: I'm preaching this since last august It was even more special to witness it live! Well, the only reason why I have written different thinss in the past about this subject is because DG insisted we had that first completely unnecessary CD first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I’m still waiting for the release that has the full concert, but edits out the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 What about a maximum coughing release? Edit: oh, we've already got that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurkensalat 336 Posted April 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: What about a maximum coughing release? Edit: oh, we've already got that. I found this the one concert with the least amount of annoying public sounds I ever experienced (hundreds). The concentration and dedication of the listeners was palpable. I do not remember any coughs or other noises except the clapping at the beginning of Imperial march. MaxTheHouseelf, Miguel Andrade, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 I honestly can't remember. Gurkensalat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gurkensalat 336 Posted April 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2021 18 hours ago, Remco said: Okay, I have to apologize in this thread. Went over to a friend’s house who has a wonderful surround set and we watched/listened to the blu-ray with Dolby Atmos. As Flight To Neverland started I was prepared for the late horns entry and when the moment came... It actually sounded just fine? Like pretty much else on the album all of the problems in ensemble playing suddenly vanished? What is this sorcery? In a space like the Musikverein it makes sense that subtle timing differences actually blend well together because of the acoustics but I just can’t believe how it did translate to this mix so well but not to the regular release which I’ve been complaining about. This is what I tried to convey earlier in this thread. The multichannel mix is a recording marvel, one of the best and realistic recordings I have ever experienced. It conveys the acoustical picture from the live concert perfectly, where any technical flubs were not very noticeable and vanished in the glorious whole experience. The stereo mix is thick, narrow and not very pleasing. Some flubs seem to stand out there much more. 12 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I honestly can't remember. Ah, so this was a joke, not a criticism. Understood. crlbrg, Holko and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Gurkensalat said: This is what I tried to convey earlier in this thread. The multichannel mix is a recording marvel, one of the best and realistic recordings I have ever experienced. It conveys the acoustical picture from the live concert perfectly, where any technical flubs were not very noticeable and vanished the glorious whole experience. The stereo mix is thick, narrow and not very pleasing. Some flubs seem to stand out there much more. Has anybody tried to fold down the multichannel mix to stereo? Except for the DG engineers, I mean. Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,045 Posted May 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 7, 2021 Today I took the shrinkwrap off my digipak CD edition of "John Williams in Vienna"! Boy, is it nice, classy packaging. I like the front photo with JW, the orchestra, and some audience, with the reflective gold label up top. The back cover is a bit wordy because they wanted to name each cue AND the film it's from, but that's OK. The first inside flap has a cool picture of John Williams at the podium next to ASM, "duelling", with the caption "A Duel WIth Bow And Baton" - this was great! I don't remember it being mentioned before. Then you open that up and get a wonderful 3-panal panoramic shot from the side of the hall, with the audience applauding on the let and the orchestra applauding on the right, and when you remove the CD you see John WIlliams is in the center of the shot, waving to the crowd. Wonderful! The booklet is a nice 24 page affair, with nice clean white-background and nice black lines and topography. It is filled with really good pictures of the concert, various closeups of Williams, him with ASM, him conducting the orchestra, him and the orchestra facing front, etc. All the pictures were well chosen and really help show the atmosphere of the concert very well. The liner notes are by Otto Biba and split into 2 sections - "John Williams in Vienna" and "John Williams and Anne-Sophie Mutter", and each is presented twice, once translated into English and once in the original German. I guess this makes it easier than having to craft a separate German and English release. The first section is the more interesting one, describing the concert a bit including quotes from various reviews. The second is just a short series of accomplishments for JW and ASM. I am listening to the CD now and it sounds wonderful. Excellent performance and recording of that performance. What a legendary night. bigjimwilson, bollemanneke, Fabulin and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 I think multilingual booklets are common in classical music releases. Did you get the 2 CD edition too? I waited for that one to come out because I was never going to spend money on the 1 disc version. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Yea I have both bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,090 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Your description sounds pretty much like the booklet that comes with the original Blu-ray & 1 CD set, Jay. 2 hours ago, bollemanneke said: I think multilingual booklets are common in classical music releases. Yes, many of the major labels usually have the liner notes in English, German, and French, unless it's a budget release. It's quite common for Deutsche Grammophon, Sony, and Decca at least. Either one can be the original that the others were translated from - sometimes they're even by different authors. I usually check what notes are available and which ones are the originals before reading the English or German version (or both). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 In this case, I thought the English liner notes were really bland, either written by a fanboy unable to contain his excitement or someone unfamiliar with the subject matter. Probably the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 38 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Your description sounds pretty much like the booklet that comes with the original Blu-ray & 1 CD set, Jay. I haven't taken the shrinkwrap off that yet 10 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: In this case, I thought the English liner notes were really bland, either written by a fanboy unable to contain his excitement or someone unfamiliar with the subject matter. Probably the latter. Oh I dunno, I thought they were perfectly fine. I'm not sure how much there really is to say about a live concert anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted May 7, 2021 Share Posted May 7, 2021 Oh, agreed, but that part about 'consulting with the great masters like Mozart' or something like that... So sickening. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,072 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I still haven't opened mine either. Including the 2CD SACD edition. The problem is my amplifier broke down 6 months ago and I haven't had a chance to play any of my newly bought cds yet. There are 80+ of them. Very soon my new Amp will be here and that's when I'm gonna blast these on for massive premiere party. I ll have trouble which stuff to play first but it's definitely going to be John Williams. bigjimwilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 532 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 This version/recording of The Imperial March... I think the mix and performance are better than the one they released on the album... I'm guessing the first one is the other performance that wasn't chosen for the album. Has the first video (Imperial March performance) been broadcast or released anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxTheHouseelf 324 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 The videos are both from Sunday. The first sounds more spacious like it has more room mics added maybe? I also like that sound, more room would even make everything sound more massive than it already is But all the Saturday performances haven't been officially released anywhere. There were some audience recordings of the Imperial March from Saturday on Youtube (some partial and even a complete one) but they seem to have all been deleted from Youtube by now. The march was faster than the Sunday perf., timing was maybe not as precise overall, but apart from a cymbal that was slightly too early it was quite perfect. aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 532 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 hours ago, MaxTheHouseelf said: The videos are both from Sunday. The first sounds more spacious like it has more room mics added maybe? I also like that sound, more room would even make everything sound more massive than it already is But all the Saturday performances haven't been officially released anywhere. There were some audience recordings of the Imperial March from Saturday on Youtube (some partial and even a complete one) but they seem to have all been deleted from Youtube by now. The march was faster than the Sunday perf., timing was maybe not as precise overall, but apart from a cymbal that was slightly too early it was quite perfect. Ah yes they are the same recording, I was blind sighted by the different shots/cuts of the footage. The mix is definitely different though. That performance also annoyingly has the snare drum being a bar late during the build back up to the repeat of the A section. I know they never would but I'd love to have the stems for the various microphones and do a more audience perspective mix as I find the percussion on the album mix far too forward, too bright and aggressive. Ah yes i've been trying to find those video uploads but they have been removed now Thank you for the response. MaxTheHouseelf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,939 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 For a second I was thinking they announced yet another release. 😆 Karol aj_vader and MaxTheHouseelf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,839 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 What are people's opinions of the performance of The Rebellion is Reborn at this concert? Maybe it's my imagination but the tempo seems slower than the OST version and the Luke in Exile portions lose all their bite. That theme goes from being about a rugged survivalist life style on a deserted island to almost a hymn-like mourning theme. The whole thing just sounds sooo slooooooow. aj_vader and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 336 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 I love it, it is like out of one of Bruckner´s symphonies (which I adore). Pure taken as music, apart from the movie context, it is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,615 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 The slow tempo, for whatever reason, allowed me to appreciate how brilliant the piece is. I don't like when Williams slows down action pieces, but this one is more atmospheric and the slower tempo allows it to breathe. In short, I love the VPO performance and prefer it to the OST. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 532 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 9 hours ago, artguy360 said: What are people's opinions of the performance of The Rebellion is Reborn at this concert? Maybe it's my imagination but the tempo seems slower than the OST version and the Luke in Exile portions lose all their bite. That theme goes from being about a rugged survivalist life style on a deserted island to almost a hymn-like mourning theme. The whole thing just sounds sooo slooooooow. I guess it's nice to hear a different interpretation of it, but is a little dull how slowly it's played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,090 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 13 hours ago, artguy360 said: What are people's opinions of the performance of The Rebellion is Reborn at this concert? Maybe it's my imagination but the tempo seems slower than the OST version and the Luke in Exile portions lose all their bite. That theme goes from being about a rugged survivalist life style on a deserted island to almost a hymn-like mourning theme. The whole thing just sounds sooo slooooooow. I like it. I never got quite used to the new ending, but I love everything else about this performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,615 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 6 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: I like it. I never got quite used to the new ending, but I love everything else about this performance. Yeah, I don't get the tweaked ending--much like I do not get the way he reworked the big swell of Sophie's theme toward the end of the concert suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eitam 362 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Tom said: Yeah, I don't get the tweaked ending--much like I do not get the way he reworked the big swell of Sophie's theme toward the end of the concert suite. Same. I blame George Lucas' bad influence on JW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 961 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Two John Williams releases spotted during the Apple Keynote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 532 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I've tried to recreate the early mix of the Vienna Imperial March. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dHEjiEb1CrBNxZHEKl_AwVXOT8kno325/view?usp=sharing Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I only realised just now that the trombones play the shark notes in the fugue when things get more ominous. How stupid am I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 HI there... i was looking to buy the concert...in video and audio. So what is the definitive edition? The 2cd live and the separate bluray? The cd+bluray only contains one Cd, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 588 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: The 2cd live and the separate bluray? This, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The live album only exists as a digipak, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Yes, and also note that they messed a bit with his speeches on that one. So in other words, for a truly definitive audio-only edition, rip the blu-ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 👍🏼 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: The live album only exists as a digipak, right? No, you can buy it (as well as the initial edition) in a jewel case! https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B089BMTKFF https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B08PDP4BLD/ I own both and they are nicely done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,957 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 57 minutes ago, Jay said: No, you can buy it (as well as the initial edition) in a jewel case! https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B089BMTKFF/ https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B08PDP4BLD/ I own both and they are nicely done Ah yes, now I remember. It's difficult to keep track of all of them... But do these two have English liner notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I like my digipack version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,072 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Ah yes, now I remember. It's difficult to keep track of all of them... But do these two have English liner notes I don't think so. But haven't opened my Japanese SACD edition as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I haven't taken the shrinkwrap off mine yet, either. I have opened my digipak versions of both editions, and both contained the liner notes in both English and German Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,045 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 So a while back I finally opened up my Live Edition physical copy, in the digipak. Compared to the digipak of the "regular" version, they are almost identical - all the same pictures and liner notes, nothing exclusive to either. One notable difference is that on the regular edition, the classic "yellow" title block at the top is actually a shiny gold foil, while the live editions is the classic yellow. Weird. This was my first time listening to the live edition, I hadn't even sampled it digitally before now. Overall I really enjoyed listening to the concert, nice program with lots of different stuff. Somehow the inclusion of the audience applause between selections seemed a bit unnatural to me, I'm not sure exactly why it made me feel that way. I guess it sometimes felt "tacked on" after a piece ended and faded down before the next piece, rather than a natural flow. I dunno. It's probably just me. I was very please the audience did not applaud at the start of a very famous piece like so many American audiences do, or applaud before a piece was fully finished either. This was also my first time hearing JW's speeches from the concert. I liked the way he said "guten tag", made me smile. Hearing him speak with such reverence of the city of Vienna and the Wiener Philharmoniker was nice too. JW says they fly over the moon at the end of ET, even though the moon flight is earlier, on Halloween and they fly over a sunset at the end of the film. I loved hearing him talk about "a composer's delicate vanity" hearing virtuoso compositions no longer covered up by the film's sound effects lol. I also loved "And now a word about Star Wars... all nine of them" lol The story about writing Leia's theme as a love theme has been repeated so many times now, but I'll never forget hearing it for the first time in Boston in 2016, it was so hilarious then. Then he mistakenly says Luke and Leia is from Empire, d'oh. I also thought it was interesting what he said about the saga as a whole "We've just completed the 9th one, I think it's in the theaters here now, so we've put a bow on it - which I think, at least from my own personal point of view and contribution, it will be a nice and tidy number, 9". Pretty final, I'd say. It's nice and somewhat interesting that he choice one of his speech spots to describe Cinderella Liberty, being so much more obscure than many of his bigger hits / films (though, maybe that was exactly why he did it). The introduction for The Duel was Tintin was the cutest one, because Mutter played the little "feather twist" for him to help him describe it, very cool. The end of the album is a bit disappointing because you know there was a huge extra long applause break after Remembrances in order for them to come back out and do Raiders March and Imperial March as encores, and yet this album does not have an extra long applause break there felt like an "encore, please!" applause break, it was just the usual short one, faded down before the next piece began. If you're gonna go all out and include speeches and audience applause on an audio release of a live concert, why shorten applause breaks instead of including everything to let the listener experience exactly what happened? Likewise at the very end of the album after The Imperial March is over, the applause break is short and faded down and the CD stops. You know at the venue the audience must have applauded for a super long time at that point. Why not leave it all in? Oh well. Overall, a super nice album! Can't wait for the Berlin album now. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Oh, thank God, for a moment >I thought DG was putting out yet another release of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 I'm listening to the FSO's version of Adventures on Earth and just wanted to say that they make the same brass chord mistake near the beginning that the VPO made, so that was not their fault. Don't know if JW changed it for the published score on purpose or if it's a misprint. But, those fast trumpet triplets that end in a minor chord except in Dudamel's version are not in the sheet music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dr. Know 325 Posted December 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2021 Does anyone on here realize that JW conducting the Theme from Jurassic Park has gone viral on Twitter over the last 24 hours? I believe it started with this tweet which now has over 56,000 likes: When I saw John Williams trending this morning I was nervous because, well, you know... Anyway, glad to see him getting some love for this beautiful performance. edit — this one has over 100,000 likes: pete, Jurassic Shark and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rough cut 1,714 Posted December 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2021 I love watching those videos. Both me and my wife are seen in the background whenever they film Williams so we show up a lot. 😂 What a memory! pete, rpvee, Dr. Know and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 I was wearing my Jurassic Park T-shirt for that performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinland 355 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Exactly two years (!) ago the experience had been so profound that I could not listen to pre-recorded music for about a week or so... ...thanks dear (?) world for having had that happened to us, still in a joyful, unconstrained way. I will always treasure those days, hours, minutes, and seconds in and around the Musikverein. And thanks to all you wonderful people we had the joy to meet and have conversation and a shared experience with! Gurkensalat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 554 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Martinland said: Exactly two years (!) ago the experience had been so profound that I could not listen to pre-recorded music for about a week or so... ...thanks dear (?) world for having had that happened to us, still in a joyful, unconstrained way. I will always treasure those days, hours, minutes, and seconds in and around the Musikverein. And thanks to all you wonderful people we had the joy to meet and have conversation and a shared experience with! Oh my - two years indeed! Take me back to Gmaokeller… Martinland and Mr. Breathmask 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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