Bespin 8,481 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 They'll have the 2nd concert to fix that for the bluray. And usually they'll even able to use rehearsal versions if they have to, to fix for some parts. Modern live recordings are not "natural" since many years... Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matthias 267 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 First Austrian review is out (in German): https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000113486699/besuch-vom-lieben-gott The reviewer was impressed by the JW fan community, saying it was "like God being welcomed by His earthly disciples" 😂 crlbrg, Biodome, eitam and 8 others 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastoEls 563 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, Biodome said: And I second that the last concert was better from a musical standpoint. Much cleaner performances, no desync in E.T., no bad notes in Jurassic Park, etc. That additional time for practice clearly helps. I agree. And we saw you smiling from the balcony the whole time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinland 360 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 On 1/17/2020 at 1:16 AM, Matthias said: (standing ovations are fairly rare in Vienna) That, my friend, is a thing of the past. *grinn* Matthias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias 267 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 20 minutes ago, Martinland said: That, my friend, is a thing of the past. *grinn* My statement looks really foolish now, with what has transpired over this weekend. 😂 I swear, it's not normally like this - a Viennese subscription audience is notoriously hard to please. I'm incredibly glad that JW got all the love he deserves. 😀 Tydirium and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Did anyone notice anything different with the ending to The Rebellion is Reborn? Or was it just me? Corresponding to ca.3:48 of the original OST track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, Matthias said: First Austrian review is out (in German): https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000113486699/besuch-vom-lieben-gott The reviewer was impressed by the JW fan community, saying it was "like God being welcomed by His earthly disciples" 😂 JessesMariaundJosef, des kamma ja net lesn. I don't know what it is about this particular report, if it's the reporter's personal style or it simply being in German...but man, I felt embarrassed by it. Lao Che 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I tried to read two sentences and just gave up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post apples 64 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 It felt like a dream these past two days... Did it really happen?! Matthias, SteveMc, crlbrg and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 38 minutes ago, carlborg said: Did anyone notice anything different with the ending to The Rebellion is Reborn? Or was it just me? Corresponding to ca.3:48 of the original OST track Yes it was different. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Yes it was different. A new different ending or mistake? I find it very hard to imagine that the Vienna Phil would screw up so badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, carlborg said: A new different ending or mistake? I find it very hard to imagine that the Vienna Phil would screw up so badly Just the rall seemed to be greater and more dramatic. Much more separated beats. I was surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Is that how the signature edition presents it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lao Che 86 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 44 minutes ago, Kühni said: JessesMariaundJosef, des kamma ja net lesn. I don't know what it is about this particular report, if it's the reporter's personal style or it simply being in German...but man, I felt embarrassed by it. Its really embarrassing, it shows that he is not use to writing these kind of film music reviews and has decided - in the most arrogant way possible - to step down from his throne, getting off his usual „traditional viennese concert“ review and do a review of „filmmusic“ just to show off and be able to mock it a bit...Ahhhhhhhh, terrible this viennese „we know what classical music is...you dont“ attitude ..🤮🙄😤 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Is that how the signature edition presents it? I'll have to check once I get back to the hotel bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, carlborg said: A new different ending or mistake? I find it very hard to imagine that the Vienna Phil would screw up so badly Why would you assume every musician would make the same mistake? Its not unusual for Williams to tinker with an arrangement for concert performance. I would the shortening of Luke and Leia more jarring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just now, Stefancos said: Why would you assume every musician would make the same mistake? Its not unusual for Williams to tinker with an arrangement for concert performance. I would the shortening of Luke and Leia more jarring. That's the very reason why I thought it might be a different ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias 267 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lao Che said: Its really embarrassing, it shows that he is not use to writing these kind of film music reviews and has decided - in the most arrogant way possible - to step down from his throne, getting off his usual „traditional viennese concert“ review and do a review of „filmmusic“ just to show off and be able to mock it a bit...Ahhhhhhhh, terrible this viennese „we know what classical music is...you dont“ attitude ..🤮🙄😤 The review is mildly condescending and not very substantive, but it is very positive and - to be honest - I would've expected much worse from Vienna's music critics. (and Mr. Ender has personally written much worse reviews himself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,511 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 I went by chance to a little cinema today, and saw Knives Out. Nathan Johnson's score is as good in film as it was on the OST. Batman/Shadow on a smaller scale, and with a classical twist to it. The script was great. Bless both Johnsons for ending this weekend for me on a note that maybe music and film will be all right after Williams kind of buried two lightsabers---his own and Korngold's---back in Vienna. Before leaving, I halted at the front door and started browsing the updates from our lovely forum. And then... suddenly... March of the Resistance sounded mightily, through walls and corridors, from somewhere below. I smiled broadly, and walked out, into the night. This weekend was great! eitam, crumbs, Martinland and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lao Che 86 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 33 minutes ago, Matthias said: The review is mildly condescending and not very substantive, but it is very positive and - to be honest - I would've expected much worse from Vienna's music critics. (and Mr. Ender has personally written much worse reviews himself) Well, that's the whole problem, he doesn't even bother to give you a proper review, not gonna waste his breath on film music, just a very superfluous look on the whole idea of a film music concert, a concept that conveys more of a fun factor that actual quality.. Mr. Ender gives you the feeling that this is something that should be left to the fans and doesn't really belong in a concert hall. I would have appreciated more of a real, down-to-earth analysis of the music and its interpretation(being a first for the VPO), than a poor and IMHO not really funny comparison to a sermon.. Believe me, as a violinist living in Vienna, I know and have to live with these critics every single day. But that's just me Matthias, crlbrg and apples 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BuzzLightyear 143 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 I'm still deeply impressed by this special concert! The orchestra played so great, this concert hall is such a magical place and John Williams seemed to be very grateful to conduct here! I'm so happy to got the chance to join this concert!! An unforgettable experience... Tydirium, crumbs, Matthias and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,012 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 While the first concert yesterday felt more emotional to me, the second one was better performed. Or perhaps the sound was better on the middle balcony (as compared to the ground floor seats yesterday). For some reason, it felt more consistent and composed. Five months ago I thought hearing Williams conduct 5 pieces at Tanglewood was going to be as good as it gets (given Johnny's age). Little did I know I will experience two consecutive days filled with 2.5 hours of music conducted by the maestro at Musikverein (of all places). He looked great too. Karol crlbrg, The Illustrious Jerry, Remco and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias 267 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, Lao Che said: Well, that's the whole problem, he doesn't even bother to give you a proper review, not gonna waste his breath on film music, just a very superfluous look on the whole idea of a film music concert, a concept that conveys more of a fun factor that actual quality.. Mr. Ender gives you the feeling that this is something that should be left to the fans and doesn't really belong in a concert hall. I would have appreciated more of a real, down-to-earth analysis of the music and its interpretation(being a first for the VPO), than a poor and IMHO not really funny comparison to a sermon.. Believe me, as a violinist living in Vienna, I know and have to live with these critics every single day. But that's just me Yeah, you're completely right about that. I feel for your suffering with critics like these. 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Lao Che said: Well, that's the whole problem, he doesn't even bother to give you a proper review, not gonna waste his breath on film music, just a very superfluous look on the whole idea of a film music concert, a concept that conveys more of a fun factor that actual quality.. Mr. Ender gives you the feeling that this is something that should be left to the fans and doesn't really belong in a concert hall. I would have appreciated more of a real, down-to-earth analysis of the music and its interpretation(being a first for the VPO), than a poor and IMHO not really funny comparison to a sermon.. Believe me, as a violinist living in Vienna, I know and have to live with these critics every single day. But that's just me And the ironic thing is that you could really see that the VPO musicians were truly enjoying themselves, and looked honoured to be performing JW's music under his direction (the principal flute bowing and gesturing towards JW as if passing all the praise back to the maestro after the solo from Dartmoor, is a notable example which comes to mind). If the orchestra, musicians and the Gesellschaft have accepted him, why do the critics keep up this pretentious approach? edit: correction JFK -> Dartmoor Lao Che, crumbs, Remco and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 So… What did they really play at these concerts? Is there a comprehensive and accurate list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: So… What did they really play at these concerts? Is there a comprehensive and accurate list? Check out Biodome's reply a page before this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 But he doesn't mention JFK. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alawill75 39 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Back home I have to say: what a wonderful concert (Saturday), with some minor - I guess coordinative - mistakes (e. g. E.T.), but overall: unbelievable. The critic is strange... "Den Höhepunkt stellte wohl das Thema aus Sydney Pollacks Verfilmung von Sabrina dar." "Sabrina" as the highlight of the concert...? Is he serious? Here's another one: https://www.diepresse.com/5754852/harry-potter-im-goldenen-saal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
initiating selfdestruction 1 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 1 minute ago, alawill75 said: Back home I have to say: what a wonderful concert (Saturday), with some minor - I guess coordinative - mistakes (e. g. E.T.), but overall: unbelievable. The critic is strange... "Den Höhepunkt stellte wohl das Thema aus Sydney Pollacks Verfilmung von Sabrina dar." "Sabrina" as the highlight of the concert...? Is he serious? It's a journalist without taste... That's not something new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: But he doesn't mention JFK. JFK wasn't played. Carlborg is confusing it with another piece. Biodome's list is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: But he doesn't mention JFK. You’re right. Meant Dartmoor, 1912. Apologies, my brain has yet to recover from the concert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Ah yes, I forgot which piece it was. I noticed the exchange as well. Truly, there was a lot of love and mutual respect on that stage throughout both performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, alawill75 said: "Sabrina" as the highlight of the concert...? Is he serious? Its a wonderful piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 he meant Sabrina being the highlight of the Mutter pieces. But yes, horrible writing. Not as bad though as the text on the website of the Musikverein, where Williams is compared to Mozart. 🙈 https://www.musikverein.at/magazin/2020/jaenner/der-alleskoenner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 I can live with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 34 minutes ago, carlborg said: And the ironic thing is that you could really see that the VPO musicians were truly enjoying themselves, and looked honoured to be performing JW's music under his direction (the principal flute bowing and gesturing towards JW as if passing all the praise back to the maestro after the solo from JFK, is a notable example which comes to mind). If the orchestra, musicians and the Gesellschaft have accepted him, why do the critics keep up this pretentious approach? This is what I don't understand. The more and more that these sorts of concerts occur, I can only think that musicians are opening up to JW's music (or heck, have always been open to it but the people in charge of programming just never did it)—so when will the critics? It seems like most orchestral musicians still enjoy and love playing Romantic-style works (that's the sort of lush symphonic music that makes most people want to join an orchestra, to begin with), which JW's music fits right at home with in many ways. He is a logical continuation and addition to the tradition of masters such as Mahler, Strauss, Puccini, and Korngold. The problem imo is that most critics seem to be firmly rooted in postmodernism, and are out of touch with most musicians and definitely out of touch with audiences... crlbrg and igger6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 And boy, was the tam-tam player having fun today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Just curious, has anyone seen any video/audio from "The Flight to Neverland" posted online (or did anyone here manage to snag any)? Eager to hear the VPO playing that one. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 Mixed emotions for me. Living in Korea and having had already crossed off "seeing Williams live" from my bucket list back in 1998 in London, it never occurred to me to attend. The idea only really came to me a few days ago when I saw tickets were available. But it was too late, and well, I had some 7 months ago purchased tickets to see Queen on their Bohemian Rhapsody tour in Seoul last night - Jan. 18. If given the choice, I would have preferred to have been in Vienna, but I have to admit I'm still on a high from seeing Queen perform. Sure Freddie wasn't there, but Brian May was and it felt like the real thing. The rock part of me is over the moon, but the Williams fan in me is thinking I missed my last chance to see Williams. Yeah, mixed emotions. But by golly the Queen show was amazing! And I'm so happy for those that got to experience this. Back in 1998, I took every opportunity - 4 nights and one open rehearsal. it hardly seems real now, but I'm so glad others here just experienced something similiar. aviazn and apples 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handz 39 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 25 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Just curious, has anyone seen any video/audio from "The Flight to Neverland" posted online (or did anyone here manage to snag any)? Eager to hear the VPO playing that one. I have just a small bit from the 18th Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lairdo 726 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 Thanks to everyone sharing their thoughts and details about the performances. I'm reading a bunch of the comments to my wife (we are babysitting our new grandson in North Carolina this weekend), and she is as impressed as I am. We cannot believe how good he looks in the photos and how both humbled and proud he must feel. What a gift. So hope we get this on blu-ray soon! crumbs, Matthias, crlbrg and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, handz said: I have just a small bit from the 18th I'd love to see/hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 3 hours ago, tmarps said: Just the rall seemed to be greater and more dramatic. Much more separated beats. I was surprised Just confirmed you’re right! @bollemanneke the ending they played corresponds to the signature edition...just a more extreme rall. which I for some reason found very jarring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handz 39 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, Tydirium said: I'd love to see/hear! Sadly, I have used just audio recording and it seems that apple is now using much larger compression on them (videos has much better audio quality) I think it sounded pretty good though, loved the tempo which was very close to the original and it had a nice flow.... Karlsplatz.m4a David Story and Matthias 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 For me one of the highlights was the WarHorse, that flute player was amazing and that brass choir in the end was just too much, cried like a baby!!! Timo Martikainen, crumbs, Henry Sítrónu and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 19, 2020 Share Posted January 19, 2020 So what happened during ET? Did they actually sync up the scene to Adventures on Earth? How does that work with the concert arrangement being significantly different from the movie cue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Biodome 714 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 Here are a few snippets of John Williams, filmed by my sister: crumbs, SteveMc, rpvee and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post handz 39 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, Biodome said: Here are a few snippets of John Williams, filmed by my sister: Cool. I can see myself there 😅 apples, Biodome and crlbrg 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 hours ago, liam0001 said: So, no jaws. The only disappointment. Besides that, marvellous beyond words. I would have preferred less Muller and more Williams. No Jaws? No main title, yes, but we got Out to Sea/Shark Cage Fugue, which as a concert piece is just so much more substantial and certainly among Williams's best special concert arrangements. And that brass sound near the end of the fugue! 6 hours ago, Kühni said: JessesMariaundJosef, des kamma ja net lesn. I don't know what it is about this particular report, if it's the reporter's personal style or it simply being in German...but man, I felt embarrassed by it. Compared to the Standard's usual music-related articles, this one is actually surprisingly grounded and (despite one or two little snide remarks) unusually non-cynical and positive. And a positive review in the Presse* as well is also a surprise (even if their reviewer left before the final encore, and they decided to put of a photo of ASM rather than Williams). *) That's the same paper that published the famous scathing critiques of Eduard Hanslick and Julius Korngold back in their day. 1 hour ago, hornist said: For me one of the highlights was the WarHorse, that flute player was amazing and that brass choir in the end was just too much, cried like a baby!!! That brass chorale was absolutely a highlight of these concerts. eitam, Matthias, crumbs and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eitam 364 Posted January 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2020 What can I say after today ? This was a moment that will stay with me till the end of my life. First and probably only time seeing John Williams conduct his own music. I won't deny I teared up a bit at some points. For example when Anne-Sophie Mutter started playing Hedwig's Theme, or during E.T.'s final, or during Cinderella Liberty. And I don't think I'm projecting if I say I felt emotion amongst the public and the orchestra as well. The music itself was magnificent. The brass in Jurassic Park ! Anne-Sophie Mutter virtuoso playing ! It was a blast hearing so many great pieces live for the first time, all those Among the Stars arrangements, plus The Rebellion Is Reborn, War Horse, Shark Cage Fugue... And the usual suspects didn't disappoint obviously, with special mention to Raiders March and Imperial March, which I don't think I have ever heard sound better, and were a terrific way to close the concert. Timo Martikainen, apples, Matthias and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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