A24 4,306 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 It would be like Columbo without his tanned raincoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,399 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 To interact with that field is a semi random thing thousands of billions of beings across the galaxy are born with. I don't see a "believable" way where two people will just... stop that for eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 One of the few things that The Last Jedi leaves for IX to expand upon is that Rey is in possession of the Jedi books. Let her study those, come across the secret to making this catacylsm happen, and have her be internally conflicted about bringing it about for the reminder of the film. Seems like a neat premise to me. It seems poetic that true balance can only ever be achieved by withdrawing The Force as a presence alltogether. Its kind of like how destroying the Ring is the only way to destroy evil, but leads to the decay of the Elven realms, the depature of the Wizards, etcetra. The world of the films is destroyed, and a new, better but more mundane world emerges from its ashes. Its what all mythologies need: that point where legend stops and history (of sorts) begins. But again, unlike @Mattris' cooky Palpatine theory, I'm not married to the idea. Just give me a decent ENDING, for crying out loud. Not Mr. Big and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,399 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 OK, then: how would the stakes be suddenly raised so high in a single film that this could even be considered an option, let alone be done? Maybe if there was all-out war with a little bit more than... 2 known Forcewielders, say thousands, armies' worth. LotR sets up the End of All Things well and the Ring was always pure evil anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 . Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Balanced inputs/ouputs are usually regarded as superior to RCA. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 46 minutes ago, Holko said: OK, then: how would the stakes be suddenly raised so high in a single film that this could even be considered an option, let alone be done? Or maybe just the realisation that this buisness of good Force users fighting bad Force users has been going on for nine bloody films, and its time for a slightly more effective solution than "defeat/redeem the evil-dude-in-the-cape-and-his-henchmen". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,457 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 11 minutes ago, Fabulin said: For example? Affordable schooling and universal medical care? It's no sci-fi, we have it in Canada! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 35 minutes ago, Fabulin said: For example? Affordable schooling and universal medical care? Hmm, very cinematic indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, dougie said: Balanced inputs/ouputs are usually regarded as superior to RCA. What's the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stefancos said: What's the difference? Balanced XLR connections can eliminate noise or interference that regular unbalanced RCA connections can be vulnerable to. They're also ideal for long distances like metres away (signals over RCA degrade if interconnects are too long). But if you're using RCA and you don't hear any interference, XLR isn't necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2019 The force awakened in Rey in the most deus ex machina way possible because she's a Mary Sue character designed to make Star Wars appeal to the new millennial generation of women who feel entitled to get everything without working for it, and millennial men who cheer them for it, and to shield the Star Wars brand from the inevitable barrage of SJW idiots that go along with major movies these days. The amount of ghost writing and fan fiction and overthinking in trying to explain this within the plot is hilarious. Individuals here spend more time on the actual plot of these glorified PR machines than Disney itself. Chen G., Demodex, justaguy and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Racism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ii2 210 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, gkgyver said: The force awakened in Rey in the most deus ex machina way possible because she's a Mary Sue character designed to make Star Wars appeal to the new millennial generation of women who feel entitled to get everything without working for it, and millennial men who cheer them for it, and to shield the Star Wars brand from the inevitable barrage of SJW idiots that go along with major movies these days. The amount of ghost writing and fan fiction and overthinking in trying to explain this within the plot is hilarious. Individuals here spend more time on the actual plot of these glorified PR machines than Disney itself. There should be no connection between the way Rey received the power of the force with today's generation of issues. Let's just keep it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Right, there shouldn't be. But there is. I mean, I don't feel as strongly on the matter as @gkgyver, and unlike @Mattris I think that, if any damage has been done by this choice, its best to accept it. Getting caught up in explaining it is bound to only make it worse. At this stage, I'm willing to accept Johnson's half-a$sed: "I told my apprentice that as he got stronger, his equal in the light would rise." Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I prefer Mary Jane characters. Chen G. and Unlucky Bastard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, gkgyver said: The force awakened in Rey in the most deus ex machina way possible because she's a Mary Sue character designed to make Star Wars appeal to the new millennial generation of women who feel entitled to get everything without working for it, and millennial men who cheer them for it Ageist much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Why are millennial men such sissies? Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Does Gyver realize Luke is more a Mary Sue. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I dunno. Luke was often whingy, useless and got himself beaten up a lot. It wasn't until RotJ he was more stoic and reliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Does Gyver realize Luke is more a Mary Sue. He was never quite so instantly powerful, and was much more foolhardy. Again, not an issue I mind awfully, but its there. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Luke is quite a bland character. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 So is Ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Star Wars Ring Theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 But not Agent Scully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,447 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I'd like to test my ring theory out, on Agent Scully, but that's another story, for another time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Still wondering what is a Mary Sue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Agent Scully has personality, nuance, intelligence, strengths and weaknesses. Rey knows how to bypass compressors. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 The prequels had the only good character arcs. Lucas subverted expectations. The hero never even completes his training and becomes a villain, the heroine dies, many of the other supporting heroic characters die or lose in the end while the seemingly well-intentioned politician becomes an evil dictator. Unlucky Bastard and Mattris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 31, 2019 Author Share Posted March 31, 2019 Palpetine is the only good prequel character. The only one with any sort of motivation or personality, really. Mattris and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 47 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Right, there shouldn't be. But there is. I mean, I don't feel as strongly on the matter as @gkgyver, and unlike @Mattris I think that, if any damage has been done by this choice, its best to accept it. Getting caught up in explaining it is bound to only make it worse. At this stage, I'm willing to accept Johnson's half-a$sed: "I told my apprentice that as he got stronger, his equal in the light would rise." It's not best to accept it. I didn't watch TFA in theatres. I didn't watch TLJ in theatres. And I won't watch this in theatres. A movie experience should not be a constant fight between the movie trying to teach you a message at the expense of enjoyment, and you trying to ignore it the best you can. 6 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: Still wondering what is a Mary Sue? You can try to google it before showcasing your ignorance publically. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, gkgyver said: It's not best to accept it I like liking movies. If it means temporarily accepting a handful of contrivances or empathize with a social or ideological point-of-view other than my own, so be it. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ghostbusters II said: The prequels had the only good character arcs. Lucas subverted expectations. The hero never even completes his training and becomes a villain, the heroine dies, many of the other supporting heroic characters die or lose in the end while the seemingly well-intentioned politician becomes an evil dictator. Padme is the best female SW character. The girl must have been a prodigy (or even a borderline savant) to have been elected the head of state and head of government of an entire planet at the tender age of 14. And subsequently serve as a planetary representative in the central galactic legislature, and still be sexy as fuck while most other public servant types have the face of a pig. What's Rey got, a home made toy Rebel pilot doll? Mattris, Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Remco and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ghostbusters II said: The prequels had the only good character arcs. Lucas subverted expectations. The hero never even completes his training and becomes a villain, the heroine dies, many of the other supporting heroic characters die or lose in the end while the seemingly well-intentioned politician becomes an evil dictator. I have a feeling that the latter arc is in fact Trump's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Ghostbusters II said: Lucas subverted expectations. The hero never even completes his training and becomes a villain Its a stock tragic-hero character arc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 He's emotionally unstable and wants to protect his loved ones and defend the Republic while the Jedi and Palpatine both seem to be manipulating him for their own purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Its a stock tragic-hero character arc. It's stock because it's so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ghostbusters II said: He's emotionally unstable and wants to protect his loved ones and defend the Republic while the Jedi and Palpatine both seem to be manipulating him for their own purposes. Of the various motivations of Anakin's to help overthrow the Jedi, by far the most compelling is his father-son dynamic with Palpatine. I don't think George Lucas would have considered the prequels' Jedi as manipulative. At the end of the day - within the prequel trilogy - they were right not to trust Anakin, they were right to forbid matrimony. etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Chen G. said: I like liking movies. If it means accepting a handful of contrivances or empathize with a social or ideological point-of-view other than my own, so be it. This would be a valid point if this soon-to-be trilogy offered something of cinematic value other than overwrought CGI, a brand name, and a JW score that never really delivers. As it is, the nonsensical story, the lazy writing, the horrible comedy, the shallowness, the contrived shit, and in the case of TLJ, assembly of a cast that reeks of a TV episode of Star Trek, put an even stronger emphasis on the ideologies behind it. And in the case of TLJ, the character of Holdo is an even worse offender than Rey, so it's a double whammy of unsubtle stupidity. Mattris and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, gkgyver said: A movie experience should not be a constant fight between the movie trying to teach you a message at the expense of enjoyment, and you trying to ignore it the best you can. This was not my experience. I didn't find out about the feminist agenda until way after TLJ came out. I didn't notice it, and when I watch these movies I don't even think about it. Applying SJW themes to Star Wars only happens in your mind. Remco and Mattris 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I didn't find Ellie Sattler remotely believable as a military strategist or whatever the hell she was supposed to be. Not to mention Leia, who I believe was in a similar position, just seemed tired and depressed. It's no wonder they got their asses handed to them. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,900 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 28 minutes ago, gkgyver said: cinematic value other than overwrought CGI, a brand name, and a JW score that never really delivers. As it is, the nonsensical story, the lazy writing, the horrible comedy, the shallowness, the contrived shit I liked both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, to varying degrees. The former, for its kineticism, its elegant camerawork, high production value and fun characters. There was enough weight placed behind it through Kylo Ren: perhaps the most memorable moment for me in that film is Kylo Ren deliberating in front of Vader's helmet: Love it! **** out of ***** The Last Jedi, for all its cheap tricks, has good action, is very well photographed, its got director Rian Johnson's love for interesting cuts, and a few moments of gravity. I love the quiet moment between Leia and Luke's apparition. For all the "greatest hits"-vibe of Williams score, when the Luke and Leia theme played there, I choked a bit. ***1/2 out of ***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ghostbusters II said: Leia, who I believe was in a similar position, just seemed tired and depressed. That was kind of the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 The point is conceded. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 39 minutes ago, gkgyver said: You can try to google it before showcasing your ignorance publically. Thanks Mom Not knowing what a "Mary Sue" is makes me ignorant, does it. Well at least I'm not a prick. Demodex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I'm guessing that GeekGyver, with his healing "abilities", is the only person on this forum who actually believes in The Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 And not his Swiss Army knife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Demodex said: This was not my experience. I didn't find out about the feminist agenda until way after TLJ came out. I didn't notice it, and when I watch these movies I don't even think about it. Applying SJW themes to Star Wars only happens in your mind. Of course it happens in your mind, where else? You are conditioned to these thoughts and associations in the media world almost every day. That's the whole point of it. It's social education. If you are saying the feminist and SJ agenda is imaginary, then bollocks. It's directly and obviously dulling the movie down by making the main character dull, without a character arc, without as much as a struggle, and by making the plot senseless, pointless, and vanilla. Mattris and A. A. Ron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Oh god can this shit worm it’s way back into the disenchantment thread now Jurassic Shark and Demodex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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