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26 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

They could, but as a sequel trilogy it was inevitable that it should have the same effect it ended up having: taking the events of the previous films and turning them into a footnote.

 

It’s not inevitable, as anyone who has read the original sequel trilogy (Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn Trilogy from the 1990s) can attest. Pitch-perfect characters, pitch-perfect universe, pitch-perfect story, pitch-perfect Force.

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On 25/03/2022 at 10:07 AM, JTW said:

As I’ve said, imho the Star Wars Saga had a perfect ending with RETURN OF THE JEDI. I don’t care about anything Disney are producing. 

 

It seems you didn't understand anything I said - or insist on denying facts, reality, and logic - because you didn't like or expect what you got out of the prequels and sequels... and because you like the ending to Return of the Jedi  and think it should be the ending to Saga... or the ending to a story that only needed one trilogy (the OT) to be complete. This is a very short-sighted and selfish approach... and a mistaken one.

 

The points I raised about the prequels and overall narrative - and the yet unanswered questions - are extremely relevant to the reality of all this. But since this is a John Williams message board, perhaps you should try a bit harder when considering the clues within the music. Once again, I'll present some of them:

 

Kylo Ren's Theme  starts with five notes in a row from The Emperor's Theme.

 

Rey's Theme  starts with three notes in a row from The Force Theme, features its chordal structure, Dies Irae, and minor thirds (like The Emperor's Theme).

 

Dies Irae can be found within the Star Wars Main ThemeAcross The Stars, and other themes and cues throughout the scores.

 

These connections are present, regardless if you initially thought they were intentional and meaningful.

 

Considering the musical genius of John Williams, we must come to the conclusion that he composed these themes (and other cues) with intent, completely aware of what he was doing. Anyone who thinks this is a matter of coincidence doesn't understand the fundamentals of music theory composition and/or doesn't appreciate the rare composing skill of Mr. Williams.

 

These very real musical connections appropriately link to the events, character arcs, and overall plots of this grand story, which included the return of Emperor Palpatine... two episodes after Rey and Kylo's themes were introduced.

 

This is a matter of reality. Truly consider the implications: There was a master plan for the story, of which John Williams was told... and he composed the themes and scores accordingly.

 

On 25/03/2022 at 10:29 AM, Chen G. said:

Not least, the greed of fans who simply wanted "more" without realizing what that entails.

 

As far as the main-line narrative, lore, and themes go, I don't think it matters very much to Lucasfilm what the fans/audience wants. The fans will get what is necessary for the story to be told, many substantive clues, and perhaps some distractions to keep them on their toes or - if they failed to pick up on the clues - on the far side of the galaxy.

 

On 25/03/2022 at 1:00 PM, JTW said:

Not even Lucas realized what he had done when he sold Star Wars to Disney and made Kathleen Kennedy President of Lucasfilm...

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I mean they could have made three good Star Wars films... They literally had infinite resources and infinite possibilities at their disposal. 

 

You're right about Disney's infinite resources. George Lucas even stated that the mega company's resources was one of the main reasons he sold Lucasfilm to them instead of another.

 

So why did the story continue as it did? In his published 2020 Star Wars: Fascinating Facts book, Pablo Hidalgo revealed that the story of the sequel trilogy was based on a treatment that George Lucas left the company in 2012.

 

George Lucas trusted his close associate (of 32 years) Kathleen Kennedy to carry on his story... and for good reason. "Good is a point of view..."

 

In 2015, Lucas said of Star Wars: 'It's a story about families... fathers, sons, grandfathers. It shows how the mistakes of one generation are left for the next generation to deal with.'

 

On 25/03/2022 at 1:40 PM, Chen G. said:

They could, but as a sequel trilogy it was inevitable that it should have the same effect it ended up having: taking the events of the previous films and turning them into a footnote.

 

Not true. The events of the previous films led to the events of the later ones. Appropriate and worthy narrative/thematic reasons exist that explain why things transpire as they do in Star Wars... a reason why the Saga had to continue after Episode VI... and why it will continue beyond IX. The audience just hasn't figured it out yet.

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6 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

 

It’s not inevitable, as anyone who has read the original sequel trilogy (Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn Trilogy from the 1990s) can attest. Pitch-perfect characters, pitch-perfect universe, pitch-perfect story, pitch-perfect Force.

And a pitch perfect continuation of the story in Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future.  

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Star Wars fans would be better served by reading Timothy Zahn's newest Thrawn novels: volumes that are part of the official canon, unlike the EU 'Legends' books that are not canon... nor did George Lucas consider them part of his Star Wars canon.

 

Avoiding reality will not change it.

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