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THE COWBOYS (1972) - NEW! 2018 Varese Deluxe Edition


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2 minutes ago, bruce marshall said:

Recording is recording is recording....

 

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I'm still not a fan of the Expanded program. I listen to the VR program, but using the new remastering.

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2 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Believe me, the Early seventies sounds just as good as today.

The only change in producing records is digital allows down mixing with no degradation.

Recording is recording is recording....

 

For sure - as I understand it, there are mics older than that still in use at a lot of scoring stages! But the recording medium does make a difference, as does the quality of however many transfers occur between recording and the final mix. Factor in the different studios' archival prowess - or lack thereof - in different time periods, and you can end up with some albums that sound pretty gnarly, despite being recorded with top-notch players in world-class scoring stages by incredible engineers on premium equipment. I mean, as hard as MM worked on the sound of Jaws, for instance, it's still less than ideal. Superman still sounded pretty bad till they finally found the first-generation elements.

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One big factor is recording speed.

If you use a fast ips the recording will have reduced hiss. But, it costs more so some studios used slower ips.

Listen to John Barry recordings from the Sixties like YOLT and OHMSS

Recorded on four track.

 

 

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7 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Believe me, the Early seventies sounds just as good as today.

The only change in producing records is digital allows down mixing with no degradation.

 

 

This doesn't make sense at all. There are plenty of analog recordings (from analog masters) that sound better than digital. And sometimes analog masters are still being used today. The biggest difference in SQ is the recording process itself and the available recording facilities. From the '80s onward, 'sound' became more and more important as being part of the theatrical experience (as opposed to the '70s) and so much more attention and money went to sound recording and reproduction (playback) in general. This is evident through the recordings of the '80s and yet most recordings of that decade were still entirely analog. However, it is true that sometimes inferior master tapes (copies of copies of copies) were distributed for duplication but I doubt that anyone can hear the degradation between the original and a first class analog copy. 

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I replied to this claim (which I quoted): 

 

"The only change in producing records is digital allows down mixing with no degradation."

 

Is this not what you wrote?

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Read the rest.

It says nothing about analog masters being inferior or older recordings being inferior.

The current tech allows almost perfect REPLICATION of studio master tapes.

Analog to LP is far from perfect.

That's why jazz musicians recorded direct to the master.

That's why Horner recorded and mixed direct to the master.

Got it?😁

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Read the rest? I responded to this post. There is nothing else.

 

8 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Believe me, the Early seventies sounds just as good as today.

The only change in producing records is digital allows down mixing with no degradation.

Recording is recording is recording....

17 minutes ago, bruce marshall said:

Read the rest.

It says nothing about analog masters being inferior or older recordings being inferior.

The current tech allows almost perfect REPLICATION of studio master tapes.

Analog to LP is far from perfect.

That's why jazz musicians recorded direct to the master.

That's why Horner recorded and mixed direct to the master.

Got it?😁

 

That's not what you said. You are now talking about the difference between vinyl and CDs. 

 

And no, they record to a stereo tape, then they makes copies (which are called master tapes) for duplication (LPs, CDs). Analog or digital, when you have a first generation master tape, everything should be fine (if the recording is good).

 

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8 hours ago, Arpy said:

is it available anywhere else?

Ahem, can anyone help out?

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4 minutes ago, Arpy said:

Ahem, can anyone help out?

 

Did a quick check with the usual suspects - SAE, Music Box, Soundtrack Corner, and the Intrada store, and it's sold out everywhere.

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I was about to checkout with the CD at musicbox the other day, but had an error with their website. I left it for a day and when I returned to complete the checkout, it had removed Cowboys from the cart, and sold out. 

 

This was one of those scores I left on the backburner to buy with other titles to justify the shipping, I just didn't realize it sold out without much warning from Varese...

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1 hour ago, Chewy said:

It is still available from the french seller VascoCine: https://www.vascocine.fr/musique-de-film/v-w-x-y-z/williams-john/

 

Interesting, I didn't know about that site. But... shipping of two items to France: €6. Shipping of the same items to Norway: €40... :pat:

 

1 hour ago, Arpy said:

I was about to checkout with the CD at musicbox the other day, but had an error with their website. I left it for a day and when I returned to complete the checkout, it had removed Cowboys from the cart, and sold out. 

 

This was one of those scores I left on the backburner to buy with other titles to justify the shipping, I just didn't realize it sold out without much warning from Varese...

 

If it's any comfort, they've still got Stanley & Iris... but act fast!

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53 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Interesting, I didn't know about that site. But... shipping of two items to France: €6. Shipping of the same items to Norway: €40... :pat:

Too bad Norway isn't part of the EU :D

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