John Dutton 7,506 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 The dynamic range alone. The Train Station and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,446 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Train Station 8,882 Posted July 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2018 Yes! Fancyarcher, James, TSMefford and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,369 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, John Powell and Bruce Broughton all come to mind in regards to composers I'd rank above J. Williams. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,506 Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 How right you are. Kasey Kockroach and The Train Station 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,254 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,506 Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 Fuck you. The Train Station 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 . Jurassic Shark and John Dutton 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 351 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Yep. Shouldn't even be a question. The Train Station 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Fancyarcher said: Shouldn't even be a question. Hope you're not saying Horner for the win 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,882 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 This thread is making me Horner. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,506 Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 Horner is better than everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Who's the better airplane pilot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,407 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Too soon, man. Not cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,882 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Pilot, you armed? John Dutton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,369 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Courage the Cowardly Dog had the best pilot, The Chicken from Outer Space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,546 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: No 2 hours ago, Margo Channing said: Yes! 1 hour ago, Koray Savas said: No. Not long after, they found a cure. A goddamn cure! Ok: THE SPITFIRE GRILL vs THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. M'lud, the case for the defence rests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,369 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Listening to Star Wars music is time better spent listening to Last Starfighter or Mars Needs Moms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,395 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Only Jerry Goldsmith is better than John Williams. If you stop overrating James Horner, I will stop underrating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,369 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 You make it sound like a hostage situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,821 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,369 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: Duck season! 3 hours ago, Margo Channing said: Rabbit season! 2 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Duck season! 5 minutes ago, Incanus said: Rabbit season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,882 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Wabbit seasun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marcus 390 Posted July 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2018 Categorically no. He simply isn't. (Doesn't mean you're not entitled to prefer his music over Williams', which is merely a matter of taste) Bayesian, Lewya and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,882 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 It's fun challenging the dogmatic, narrow view of the JWfan establishment. NL197 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,859 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 13,390 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Let's make another thread: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,821 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: 6 hours ago, Stefancos said: Duck season! 6 hours ago, Margo Channing said: Rabbit season! 5 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Duck season! 3 hours ago, Incanus said: No Just no. Stop fake news-ifying my posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 468 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Horner will always be my favorite composer, and I've always believed his dramatic and emotional instincts to be second to none, but I don't find anyone "better" than anyone else. Of course Williams and Zimmer fans think their guy is "better" than everyone else, but that's fandom for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,877 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I really like Horner and I find a more emotional resonance in his music. I find it easier to connect to a lot of his stuff. But Williams is better at absolutely everything else and his body of work is outstanding and unparalleled. His ability to sum up an entire story or character in 5-7 notes is simply breathtaking. 7 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, John Powell and Bruce Broughton all come to mind in regards to composers I'd rank above J. Williams. I still can’t decide if you’re a parody or just some strange alter ego of Steef... James and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,503 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Here’s a thought-provoking question: Is James Horner overrated on this forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,803 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Is JWFan overrated on James Horner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 409 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I prefer Williams's music, but, when I was young (a long time ago, yeah) Horner was with Goldsmith, Silvestri and Broughton, the TOP guys who's a buy all the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,468 Posted July 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 6, 2018 At one time, decades ago, Horner was shoulder to shoulder with him. But he dropped off a cliff fairly quickly and figuratively didn't have anywhere near the longevity that Williams had. Apart from the odd highlight before his premature death, Horner had fallen into also-ran territory along with Silvestri and Arnold. Meanwhile, Williams, whether you like it or not, is still writing cracking good Star Wars themes. So no, Horner wasn't as good as Williams. Not in the end. James, Breadstick Basilisk and Brundlefly 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,882 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Only now... at the end... do you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 In certain areas, he undoubtedly was but in regards to musical integrity...surely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,616 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 His output is more, umm, coherent than Williams'. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,882 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, crocodile said: His output is more, umm, coherent than Williams'. Karol It's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,546 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 9 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, John Powell and Bruce Broughton all come to mind in regards to composers I'd rank above J. Williams. More ranking. You're going to go Blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,369 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Why did you capitalize blind, sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,675 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Bilbo said: I really like Horner and I find a more emotional resonance in his music. I find it easier to connect to a lot of his stuff. But Williams is better at absolutely everything else and his body of work is outstanding and unparalleled. His ability to sum up an entire story or character in 5-7 notes is simply breathtaking. This. Is absolutely right. For me, John Williams> James Horner> Jerry Goldsmith. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,546 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Bernard Hermann is better than everything. Fact! Sunshine Reger and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,941 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Voted no. 1 minute ago, Steve McQueen said: For me, John Williams> James Horner> Jerry Goldsmith. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said: Jerry Goldsmith>John Williams>James Horner This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,675 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Richard said: Miklos Rozsa is better than everything. Fact! Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,369 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I haven't cared much for John Williams' stuff in awhile. I think I'm burned out and need a break from that dude. His music is just too stuffy for my tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,546 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Just now, Steve McQueen said: Steve Jablonsky is better than everything. Fact! Refixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, publicist said: 17 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said: Jerry Goldsmith>John Williams>James Horner This. That looks much more correct even if I personally would give Williams the edge over Goldsmith. But from an objective standpoint I can understand the reasoning behind ranking Goldsmith above Williams though. Goldsmith was more progressive and inventive than both Williams and certainly Horner. And had chops beyond Horner craft-wise. Add to that that Horner was a hack. Brundlefly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Horner was not really a hack, but obviously suffered from some unfortunate character traits that made him look worse than he was. I mean, just one note at a cd back or end credits roll that says 'Hey, i took my cues from Khatchaturian here' would have made a whole difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,503 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 35 minutes ago, Richard said: Bernard Hermann is better than everything. Fact! Too often left out of these discussions on JWFan. Williams, Herrmann, and Goldsmith are on a tier by themselves for my listening pleasure. Next tier down would be the likes of Horner, the Newmans, Korngold, Rozsa, etc. Not trying to categorize based on importance or influence, just my taste. Chen G. and Sunshine Reger 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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