Anyone else think James Horner is better than John Williams?

[Xander Harris 8,485]

The dynamic range alone.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 11,272]

No

[Lady Dimitrescu 10,259]

Yes!

[Kasey Kockroach 2,598]

Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, John Powell and Bruce Broughton all come to mind in regards to composers I'd rank above J. Williams.

[Xander Harris 8,485]

How right you are.

[Koray Savas 2,255]

No. 

[Xander Harris 8,485]

Fuck you.

[RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107]

.

[Fancyarcher 351]

Yep. Shouldn't even be a question.

 

 

[RICHARDSTRAUSS68 107]

1 minute ago, Fancyarcher said:

Shouldn't even be a question.

 

 

Hope you're not saying Horner for the win 😂

[Lady Dimitrescu 10,259]

This thread is making me Horner.

[Xander Harris 8,485]

Horner is better than everyone.

[Wojo 2,458]

Who's the better airplane pilot? 

[Holko 11,673]

Too soon, man. Not cool.

[Lady Dimitrescu 10,259]

Pilot, you armed?

[Kasey Kockroach 2,598]

Courage the Cowardly Dog had the best pilot, The Chicken from Outer Space.

 

 

[Naïve Old Fart 12,152]

2 hours ago, Stefancos said:

No

 

2 hours ago, Margo Channing said:

Yes!

 

1 hour ago, Koray Savas said:

No. 

 

Not long after, they found a cure. A goddamn cure!

 

Ok: THE SPITFIRE GRILL vs THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.

M'lud, the case for the defence rests.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,598]

Listening to Star Wars music is time better spent listening to Last Starfighter or Mars Needs Moms.

[Brundlefly 2,400]

Only Jerry Goldsmith is better than John Williams. If you stop overrating James Horner, I will stop underrating him.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,598]

You make it sound like a hostage situation!

[Incanus 5,882]

No

[Kasey Kockroach 2,598]

3 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Duck season!

 

3 hours ago, Margo Channing said:

Rabbit season!

 

2 hours ago, Koray Savas said:

Duck season!

 

5 minutes ago, Incanus said:

Rabbit season!

 

[Lady Dimitrescu 10,259]

Wabbit seasun.

[Marcus 395]

Categorically no. He simply isn't. (Doesn't mean you're not entitled to prefer his music over Williams', which is merely a matter of taste) 

[Lady Dimitrescu 10,259]

It's fun challenging the dogmatic, narrow view of the JWfan establishment.

[Bespin Copilot 10,058]

[Jurassic Shark 15,564]

Let's make another thread:

 

 

[Incanus 5,882]

2 hours ago, kaseykockroach said:

6 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Duck season!

 

6 hours ago, Margo Channing said:

Rabbit season!

 

5 hours ago, Koray Savas said:

Duck season!

 

3 hours ago, Incanus said:

No

 

Just no. Stop fake news-ifying my posts! 

[NL197 648]

Horner will always be my favorite composer, and I've always believed his dramatic and emotional instincts to be second to none, but I don't find anyone "better" than anyone else. 

 

Of course Williams and Zimmer fans think their guy is "better" than everyone else, but that's fandom for ya. 

[Bilbo 4,046]

I really like Horner and I find a more emotional resonance in his music. I find it easier to connect to a lot of his stuff. 

 

But Williams is better at absolutely everything else and his body of work is outstanding and unparalleled. His ability to sum up an entire story or character in 5-7 notes is simply breathtaking.

 

7 hours ago, kaseykockroach said:

Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, John Powell and Bruce Broughton all come to mind in regards to composers I'd rank above J. Williams.

 

I still can’t decide if you’re a parody or just some strange alter ego of Steef...

[Disco Stu 15,514]

Here’s a thought-provoking question:

 

Is James Horner overrated on this forum?

[mrbellamy 7,623]

Is JWFan overrated on James Horner?

[Obi 409]

I prefer Williams's music, but, when I was young (a long time ago, yeah) Horner was with Goldsmith, Silvestri and Broughton, the TOP guys who's a buy all the CD.

[Quintus 5,914]

At one time, decades ago, Horner was shoulder to shoulder with him. But he dropped off a cliff fairly quickly and figuratively didn't have anywhere near the longevity that Williams had. Apart from the odd highlight before his premature death, Horner had fallen into also-ran territory along with Silvestri and Arnold. Meanwhile, Williams, whether you like it or not, is still writing cracking good Star Wars themes. 

 

So no, Horner wasn't as good as Williams. Not in the end. 

[Lady Dimitrescu 10,259]

Only now... at the end... do you understand.

[publicist 4,649]

In certain areas, he undoubtedly was but in regards to musical integrity...surely not.

[crocodile 9,346]

His output is more, umm, coherent than Williams'.

 

Karol

[Lady Dimitrescu 10,259]

5 minutes ago, crocodile said:

His output is more, umm, coherent than Williams'.

 

Karol

 

It's better.

[Naïve Old Fart 12,152]

9 hours ago, kaseykockroach said:

Jerry Goldsmith, James Horner, John Powell and Bruce Broughton all come to mind in regards to composers I'd rank above J. Williams.

 

More ranking. You're going to go Blind.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,598]

Why did you capitalize blind, sir?

[SteveMc 2,679]

2 hours ago, Bilbo said:

I really like Horner and I find a more emotional resonance in his music. I find it easier to connect to a lot of his stuff. 

 

But Williams is better at absolutely everything else and his body of work is outstanding and unparalleled. His ability to sum up an entire story or character in 5-7 notes is simply breathtaking.

This.

Is absolutely right.

For me, John Williams> James Horner> Jerry Goldsmith.  

[Naïve Old Fart 12,152]

Bernard Hermann is better than everything. Fact!

[mstrox 7,281]

Voted no.

 

1 minute ago, Steve McQueen said:

For me, John Williams> James Horner> Jerry Goldsmith.  

 

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[publicist 4,649]

3 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said:

Jerry Goldsmith>John Williams>James Horner

 

This.

 

[SteveMc 2,679]

2 minutes ago, Richard said:

Miklos Rozsa is better than everything. Fact!

Fixed!

[Kasey Kockroach 2,598]

I haven't cared much for John Williams' stuff in awhile. I think I'm burned out and need a break from that dude. His music is just too stuffy for my tastes. 

[Naïve Old Fart 12,152]

Just now, Steve McQueen said:

Steve Jablonsky is better than everything. Fact!

Refixed.

[Lewya 361]

19 minutes ago, publicist said:

  17 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said:

Jerry Goldsmith>John Williams>James Horner

This.

 

That looks much more correct even if I personally would give Williams the edge over Goldsmith. But from an objective standpoint I can understand the reasoning behind ranking Goldsmith above Williams though.

 

Goldsmith was more progressive and inventive than both Williams and certainly Horner. And had chops beyond Horner craft-wise. Add to that that Horner was a hack.

[publicist 4,649]

Horner was not really a hack, but obviously suffered from some unfortunate character traits that made him look worse than he was. I mean, just one note at a cd back or end credits roll that says 'Hey, i took my cues from Khatchaturian here' would have made a whole difference.

[Disco Stu 15,514]

35 minutes ago, Richard said:

Bernard Hermann is better than everything. Fact!

 

Too often left out of these discussions on JWFan.  Williams, Herrmann, and Goldsmith are on a tier by themselves for my listening pleasure.  Next tier down would be the likes of Horner, the Newmans, Korngold, Rozsa, etc.  Not trying to categorize based on importance or influence, just my taste.