mstrox 7,007 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Randy Newman on the same tier as Rozsa? You do you, Disco Stu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Randy Newman is an actual-no-hyperbole genius songwriter and just a really good film composer! So yeah if we're talking just film scores "The Newmans" would be Alfred and Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 7,007 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 I agree, AND was just joshin ya Stuart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Anyone else think Bernard Herrmann is better than John Williams??? mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 9 hours ago, Wojism said: Who's the better airplane pilot? I told Steven, you need a better pilot for this aircraft. He said, I know, but they're all dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Batman's Diet Coke said: I told Steven, you need a better pilot for this aircraft. He said, I know, but they're all dead. I can finally break out this GIF for the first time since taking on my new title/avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,357 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Horner>Williams? Mutiny! Take it to JH Fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,919 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 47 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I can finally break out this GIF for the first time since taking on my new title/avatar! That’s from Amadeus, yeah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 minute ago, Bilbo said: That’s from Amadeus, yeah? Amadeus is better than everything! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 No. 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Amadeus is better than everything! Yes. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 minute ago, KK said: Yes. Brother! Welcome back! KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,919 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Amadeus is great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,675 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Brother! Welcome back! Hear, hear! Good to see you 'round, @KK! KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code 000. Destruct. 0. 4,260 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Alex North is better than everything Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 hours ago, publicist said: This. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, TGP said: Alex North is better than everything Xander South is my porn persona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,847 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Jerry said: Horner>Williams? Mutiny! Take it to JH Fan! Is there a JH Fan? I suppose there must be...somewhere, out there. Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,370 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 It's odd, though hardly surprising, that John Williams is the only composer with a forum to his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 31 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: It's odd, though hardly surprising, that John Williams is the only composer with a forum to his name. I always thought it was weird that the main Horner fan site http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/ doesn't have a forum. They do have user generated stuff, like reviews and comments, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 3,135 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 I love Horner and it is possible to have multiple favorites. I can't say he is better than JW because there are so many factors at play. For example, JW had the luck of getting teamed up with Spielberg and Lucas in their prime which afforded him these operatic moments whereas Horner was sort of a discount Goldsmith in the 1980's so the comparison isn't really fair. All I can say is that Horner is a damn fine composer and really moved me when he was at his most inspired. Horner definitely had the chops but maybe didn't have all the sources of inspiration that JW had. One thing I am certain of is that when a great composer passes, one reevaluates any initial dismissal of their music and cherishes it as uniquely their own valuable creation. I am sure the same will be the case with JW in that I will re-evaluate his corpus callosum understanding their shall be no more and what I once trivialized should be reevaluated. Loert 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 There used to be Horner Shrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 9 hours ago, kaseykockroach said: It's odd, though hardly surprising, that John Williams is the only composer with a forum to his name. #Star Wars #Indiana Jones and and and. It figures that Zimmer is the only other composer with an active forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,370 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 But what about Goldsmith? Surely Rambo, Star Trek, Gremlins or Alien have active fandoms. Though I suppose it's not the same since he's not makin' new music anymore. Being dead probably didn't help. I would ponder why Giacchino doesn't have a forum since he does actually have a following, but that's neither here nor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,155 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Is Jerry Goldsmith Online still around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NL197 512 Posted July 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I always thought it was weird that the main Horner fan site http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/ doesn't have a forum. They do have user generated stuff, like reviews and comments, though. That's because the site was an outgrowth of the old "Hornershrine" forums I used to co-run. The discussion fell silent for the most part, and one of the key members of the boards started up the new site, gathered several of us to help make it more accessible to non-French and Spanish speaking readers, and we've been off and running ever since. The main reason the boards were shut down was that at the time, forums were less of a place to discuss compared to Facebook pages beyond here, FSM and Filmtracks' looney tunes scoreboard. (edited to add) I can also say that James Horner himself was both aware of the site and allowed the use of his name as the domain. His one stipulation was that the site use "film music" so no one would confuse it was some personal site of his. Sort of 'officially unofficial', and when he died, thankfully members of his team and his own family continue to support our efforts. Chen G., SteveMc, Jay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,847 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 4 hours ago, Margo Channing said: Is Jerry Goldsmith Online still around? Very much so. I've just clicked on Stu's link. As much as I love his music, there's something about that smug, self-satisfied, oh-so-superior smirk, on his boat-race, that makes me want punch Horner's lights out. He composed great music, but he came across as an arrogant prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,785 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Richard said: Very much so. I've just clicked on Stu's link. As much as I love his music, there's something about that smug, self-satisfied, oh-so-superior smirk, on his boat-race, that makes me want punch Horner's lights out. He composed great music, but he came across as an arrogant prick. True, but so was Herrmann. Why does it matter anyway? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,155 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Because film composers have to be our bar buddies too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 3,135 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, crocodile said: True, but so was Herrmann. Why does it matter anyway? Karol It doesn't matter at all...or shouldn't at least since the question is concerning the quality of their music. 1 minute ago, Margo Channing said: Because film composers have to be our bar buddies too. Maybe they can still be bar buddies like they have in Ireland where they get in fist fights because you sat next to them at a bar but the next day are buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 8 hours ago, NL197 said: Filmtracks' looney tunes scoreboard. Heh. Accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,675 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 10 hours ago, publicist said: #Star Wars #Indiana Jones and and and. It figures that Zimmer is the only other composer with an active forum. Zimmer has a forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Steve McQueen said: Zimmer has a forum? I assumed he was referring to this: https://vi-control.net/community/ Which is not a forum dedicated to Zimmer, but a forum in which Zimmer himself has actively participated in the past. But maybe pub is aware of a forum that I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,847 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 hours ago, crocodile said: True, but so was Herrmann. Why does it matter anyway? Karol It matters, because no-one should bite the hands that feeds them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,155 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 Anyone else get ringing ears from Horner's metal clangs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,785 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Richard said: It matters, because no-one should bite the hands that feeds them. Couldn't tell you, I never had a chance to feed James Horner. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,308 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I assumed he was referring to this: https://vi-control.net/community/ Which is not a forum dedicated to Zimmer, but a forum in which Zimmer himself has actively participated in the past. But maybe pub is aware of a forum that I am not. I believe he was referring to this: http://hans-zimmer.com/ Not a forum, but it has extensive comments sections where insider information is occasionally shared. Though Zimmer has made some interesting posts in the forum you linked above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,647 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 23 minutes ago, KK said: I believe he was referring to this: http://hans-zimmer.com/ Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,370 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Couldn't tell you, I never had a chance to feed James Horner. Karol That sounds...kinky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 512 Posted July 7, 2018 Share Posted July 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Richard said: Very much so. I've just clicked on Stu's link. As much as I love his music, there's something about that smug, self-satisfied, oh-so-superior smirk, on his boat-race, that makes me want punch Horner's lights out. He composed great music, but he came across as an arrogant prick. It’s funny, because I’ve come to find over the last few years (sadly not first hand as I couldn’t meets him myself) that he and I shared a very similar personality and I despise arrogant people. It’s actually one word I would not use to describe him because a lot of what he had to say was born out of both a sense of keeping himself as vague and distant from others as possible, and being frustrated enough to just tell it like it is when having to talk about dealing with other people. He was not a social person and had trouble connecting to others, and as someone very much like that I could see where he came from. If you ever met me in person you would probably get a similar impression and I’m not a world famous composer. More than half the things people say about these guys in places like this goes far beyond “arrogant prick” but no one cares because no one here is a public figure. No anonymity for these guys whose work and sometimes lives are torn apart and dissected and bitched about online. Chen G. and Jamie Dutton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Dutton 7,692 Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share Posted July 8, 2018 Horner's life was really, uh, complex. You know how a normal person wakes up and goes downstairs, and eats breakfast, and kisses somebody goodbye, and goes to a job and...you know! Nice place he had there. Lots of space. Where did he get those wonderful toys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,847 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman's Diet Coke said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bespinGPT 8,949 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 He was better only one time... in 1997. 😘 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 On 6. Juli 2018 at 3:36 PM, publicist said: Horner was not really a hack, but obviously suffered from some unfortunate character traits that made him look worse than he was. I mean, just one note at a cd back or end credits roll that says 'Hey, i took my cues from Khatchaturian here' would have made a whole difference. Then you can rename Star Wars "The Planets Suite Revisited" while you're at it. NL197 and Kasey Kockroach 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,504 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Horner's life was really, uh, complex. You know how a normal person wakes up and goes downstairs, and eats breakfast, and kisses somebody goodbye, and goes to a job and...you know! Nice place he had there. Lots of space. Where did he get those wonderful toys? Aw. The Batman VHS Diet Coke commercial was my favorite persona you’ve ever had. Oh well, all good things... SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,399 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 3 hours ago, Bespin said: He was better only one time... in 1997. 😘 Nope, that was the year, when he was clearly not better than Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,155 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Titanic is all the proof you need that Horner is better than Williams. Jamie Dutton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,890 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 I don’t think we’ll ever know. JW wrote some of his best works in his 60s and 70s, it’s sad that we’ll never get to hear what Horner could have written at those ages. Chen G. and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,370 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 Nothing in the Williams library sends me on the escalator to heaven like Land Before Time does. Lady Dimitrescu and SteveMc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,647 Posted July 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: Titanic is all the proof you need that Horner is better than Williams. You are an evil person. Brundlefly, Lady Dimitrescu and Jamie Dutton 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,675 Posted July 8, 2018 Share Posted July 8, 2018 1 hour ago, kaseykockroach said: Nothing in the Williams library sends me on the escalator to heaven like Land Before Time does. CE3K does. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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