TitanicFan2018 30 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just recreated the film version of "Betrayal & Desolation". First I removed the crossfade and added in a second-long pause in between the cues; then I recreated that synth string passage in GarageBand and added it back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, TitanicFan2018 said: Just recreated the film version of "Betrayal & Desolation". First I removed the crossfade and added in a second-long pause in between the cues; then I recreated that synth string passage in GarageBand and added it back in. I took it straight from the film, since there were literally no sound effects at all in it, and there wasn't any missing music from the center channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, TitanicFan2018 said: Just recreated the film version of "Betrayal & Desolation". First I removed the crossfade and added in a second-long pause in between the cues; then I recreated that synth string passage in GarageBand and added it back in. Seems to me a good introduction if someday you see a psychiatrist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanicFan2018 30 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Another thing I definitely like about Braveheart is there are no sloppy micro-edits to the score throughout the film. In Titanic, the score is cut up, tracked, looped, thrown into a blender, and scattered around like confetti. The only film edit that worked was "2 1/2 Miles Down". However, there are different mixes (regarding audio adjustments) that work well and I really like (e.g. amping up the driving thumping bass line in "Take Her To Sea, Mr. Murdoch", removing the bagpipes in "Unable To Stay, Unwilling To Leave", removing the synth choir and dialing out the octave synth overlay while bumping up Sissel's vocals and the harp in "Rose", etc). And there is a difference between film mixes and film edits. Many of the film edits, I find to be a horrible listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 On 7/29/2018 at 11:27 AM, Dixon Hill said: Titanic > Braveheart > Star Wars This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Borodin said: This ...is wrong. Try again. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Not sure why STAR WARS was brought into this. Can't we enjoy the masterpieces that are BRAVEHEART, TITANIC and STAR WARS in their own rights? Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Tbh, the thing I like the most about Titanic is the action music from the sinking sequences. The unused theme from An Ocean of Memories is great as well. But I'm not a fan of the love theme (specially the horrible version by Celine Dion). Braveheart is the exact opposite, I love the love theme and the more emotional material, but the action music isn't that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 You should make a playlist with the action music of Titanic and the emotional music of Braveheart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Legends of the Fall's Revenge >>> any action music of Braveheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 The love theme from TITANIC suffers from the 'evergreen' syndrome. It's been played to death over the years, like - say - Barber's "Adagio for Strings" or Vivaldi's THE FOUR SEASONS or whatever. But if you look and listen to it from a more objective viewpoint, it's actually a GORGEOUS theme, one of Horner's best. Whatever one thinks of Celine Dion's performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: ...is wrong. Try again. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I voted for Land Before Time, Fievel Goes West, Legend of Zorro and The Rocketeer. Oomoog the Ecstatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 What about the other Zorro score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 MASK OF ZORRO is much better than LEGEND OF ZORRO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 The Mark of Zorro by Alfred Newman is the best. Too bad there's no soundtrack release of that one, but there's a great suite with Roy Budd conducting the LSO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Braveheart is the exact opposite, I love the love theme and the more emotional material, but the action music isn't that great. There's isn't all that much action music in that score, though. A lot of the action is (wisely) left unscored. The bulk of the score comprises of (beautiful) lyrical stuff. I do like the stingers Horner uses for some of the cuts, though. Usually a synth building up to either a riff of the Shakuhachi or a drumbeat just as the film cuts away. Very effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 29 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: The Mark of Zorro by Alfred Newman is the best. Too bad there's no soundtrack release of that one, but there's a great suite with Roy Budd conducting the LSO. That's fine too, but MASK OF ZORRO is in another league for me. One of Horner's alltime best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Thor said: That's fine too, but MASK OF ZORRO is in another league for me. One of Horner's alltime best. Then I challenge you to write a review explaining what's so great about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I feel like Titanic would be considered middling-tier Horner were it not for the wild success of its movie. That Enya lift, however well-motivated, is embarrassing. Braveheart, on the other hand, is apex-Horner. 56 minutes ago, Thor said: MASK OF ZORRO is much better than LEGEND OF ZORRO. Legend of Zorro does have that barn-burner of an action set-piece, though. "The Train," the last 3-4 minutes of which being the most unexpectedly Williams-esque action music in Horner's output. Or, rather, Horner ± Conrad Pope's output, if anyone is willing to dredge up old controversies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Then I challenge you to write a review explaining what's so great about it! Oh, I have like a million Horner titles lined up for review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 On 7/3/2020 at 12:59 PM, Falstaft said: I feel like Titanic would be considered middling-tier Horner were it not for the wild success of its movie. Nah. Where do you think the movie's success came from? The film is just an exceptionally produced bundle of gimmicks. What is the underlying fabric of the movie's characters and emotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 Spam? Oomoog the Ecstatic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 The stupidity of musical knowledge on this forum is almost impossible. 7 hours ago, Borodin said: My scarce selection of best-scored films: 1. Titanic ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 16 hours ago, Thor said: Not sure why STAR WARS was brought into this. Can't we enjoy the masterpieces that are BRAVEHEART, TITANIC and STAR WARS in their own rights? (sigh) My dear Thor, it's JWfan. Nuff said. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Anyone else listen to Star Wars lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 He, he. I really wish there was a separate forum for STAR WARS stuff, like there is for LOTR. Would tidy up some of the 'clutter' in the general discussions area. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 A New Hope, you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Thor said: I really wish there was a separate forum for STAR WARS stuff, like there is for LOTR. Would tidy up some of the 'clutter' in the general discussions area. It wouldn't save you from all these take overs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Not that familiar with BH but... I just listened to the love theme and the first 9 notes reminds one of the JUPITER mid- section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 Yeah, there's a strong similarly between those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Whatever it is, its a great love theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 I don't think the original is a love theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Well, you DO love it though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 Titanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMaestraX 106 Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I have both enjoyed these masterworks individually but TITANIC has that iceberg edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I never understood why people consider threads they don't want to read "clutter". I simply open threads I want to read, and ignore threads I don't want to read. I don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 Braveheart is winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: I never understood why people consider threads they don't want to read "clutter". I simply open threads I want to read, and ignore threads I don't want to read. I don't get it. It's no big deal or anything, but a minor nuissance. Isn't this why the LOTR sub forum was created in the first place? So why not the same for STAR WARS, which has an equally monumental presence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Don't worry, considering that we won't have new Star Wars movies for a while, interest on the franchise will eventually wane with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Thor said: It's no big deal or anything, but a minor nuissance. Isn't this why the LOTR sub forum was created in the first place? So why not the same for STAR WARS, which has an equally monumental presence? I think the major difference between the two things you're describing is, with LOTR there was a large amount of people interested in having more LOTR content, as well as a large amount of people who didn't want to see any LOTR content all. With Star Wars, you are literally the only person I've ever seen complain that there are too many Star Wars threads. I mean, this is a website dedicated to John Williams, and Star Wars is his magnum opus, of course people want to talk about it. New members join here every week solely to talk about Star Wars music. I am guessing any other posters that don't care about Star Wars simply don't open threads that mention Star Wars in their titles. Easy peasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 If I'm not mistaken, Thor was referring to threads of non-SW topics that were derailed with SW discussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 44 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: If I'm not mistaken, Thor was referring to threads of non-SW topics that were derailed with SW discussions. Not really, but certainly that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 I haven't listened to SW in ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 22, 2020 Author Share Posted October 22, 2020 JWFan has spoken and Braveheart is the better score. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,441 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 It's a tie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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