Jurassic Shark 12,823 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I only made it about 10-15 minutes into episode 2 (of Picard, that is) before falling asleep and there was a lot of murdering, sex, "shit" and two f bombs! What the hell is going on here? And you fell asleep?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I was tired. I don't even have time until midnight tonight to watch the episode and I'll likely fall asleep again. The f bombs were spoken by two older women. I actually had to repeat it the first time to confirm I'd heard it. Picard's 50-something attractive sweet Irish Romulan caregiver suddenly said "cheeky fuckers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,362 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Like how Shatner suddenly swore in Star Trek 4 and 5? Cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,411 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 The swearing in Discovery was ultra cringe and completely immersion breaking. So it's disappointing to hear that apparently Picard features similar language. #NotMyStarTrek Trent B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 They didn't swear in the earlier shows so why start n... Oh... Swearing is cool now, guys! It's what the kids are doing these days! Holy fucking shit motherfucking cunt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,187 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I got an email that this is also on Pluto TV app for free for those interested. Also, I signed up for CBS all access for 30 days free w/ promo code JANUARY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,866 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 That's cool, Pluto TV is awesome Here's an article about them having Picard https://collider.com/watch-star-trek-picard-online-free/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,044 Posted January 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2020 You can also catch the premiere here. https://youtu.be/1PPm5l3o2zw (Apparently it's not allowed to be embedded.) Just saw it...I'm in. I was worried when I saw Goldsman's name in the credits as screenwriter, but I'm definitely intrigued by what I saw. Like everyone has been saying, Picard the character is definitely the same man, and after getting acclimated to old Stewart's gravel, it soon became heartwarming watching him as the sweet, thoughtful paternal figure that he portrayed for almost twenty years. The action is the kind of gritty I guess you would expect from modern television, but coming from a Star Trek mindset was a little surprisingly brutal at times. Gone is the relatively "safe" choreography of Berman-era Star Trek, but I didn't really expect the show to feel like that, anyways. On that subject, the music in those years, for the most part, was boring, vaguely ominous orchestral pads with the occasional suspended chord stinger that led to commercial breaks. (Of course, there were some exceptions, as the composers of those times _were_ talented, and from time to time were given a bit more room to stretch.) The music here definitely follows that precedent, but updated for modern television aesthetics. I guess the major defining difference here is the music has a bit more of a motor to it, at times, not that it's more interesting as a consequence. As Blume said, did you expect much else from Russo and the dude who has produced Star Trek as we've known it for the last ten years? The theme was...okay? Started off with some nice colors, and I like the central chord progression kind of, but as a television show's main theme? Ultimately directionless and weak. In the words of another famous, respected older actor: "You left just when you were becoming interesting!" The main chord progression is romantic enough that I would like it to be more present as an underscore motif, perhaps for Daj and her sister, or as a general adventure motif, like Goldsmith's Busy Man motif in his film tenure, a romance that offsets the contemporary nitty gritty approach, but, hmph, perhaps I'm being the unrealistic optimist Star Trek had been accused of for decades. All in all, though, the episode had more than enough to keep me engaged: when it came time for the closing "cliffhanger", I thought "Man, it's over already?" I already want more, so congratulations, CBS, you got another one! I've been hoping, since I was first introduced to Star Trek seven years ago, that I would one day get to experience a _real_ Star Trek show, in the moment, as it came each week, with fans and experience it as part of a--forgive the word--collective. A Star Trek show that inspires us to think, debate on its content, not just show quality, and perhaps even dream. As of this first episode, this hope has not been yet extinguished. John Dutton, _deleted_, Yavar Moradi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Arpy said: They didn't swear in the earlier shows so why start n... Oh... Swearing is cool now, guys! It's what the kids are doing these days! Holy fucking shit motherfucking cunt! Make it fucking so! En-fucking-gage this shit to warp 9! Son of a bitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Earl Grey, shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,044 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 "You have no sense of history. This interview is over." "But we're still rolling, so it's not finished." "I ended the conversation, so the conversation is over." "But a conversation is two ways. You ended it, but I didn't, so this conversation is still happening." "You fucking cuntbag of Earl Grey, I said this is over!" produced by Alex Kurtzman, copyright 2020 CBS Media Inc. Arpy and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Hearing the f bomb in Star Trek Picard is VERY VERY disappointing. Especially after hearing it TWICE in Star Trek Discovery. No way in hell would Roddenberry have allowed such a harsh word to be used in Star Trek and Kurtzman knows this very well. Yes we get it, swearing (even f bombs) is part of our every day culture. You hear it almost 24/7. Hearing the occasional, "Damn it (or damn)", or "Hell", or "What the hell?" and the very first real swear word "Shit" in Generations was fine. However dropping this out-right now THREE times spread across TWO TV series is just down right stupid and is NOT needed in Star Trek. It does NOT belong in Star Trek! I bet Gene is turning in his grave right now. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,044 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Trent B said: I bet Gene is turning in his grave right now. After the last twenty-five years of Star Trek I think he's lost the energy at this point! Trent B and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 8 hours ago, Stefancos said: Like how Shatner suddenly swore in Star Trek 4 and 5? Cool! To be fair the word "Damn" is not as a harsh or strong word as the f bomb and can be easily overlooked. Plus it worked with those scenes. It just was NOT necessary in Picard and the Admiral's conversation. BTW interesting that the holographic image of the TOS Enterprise is actually the Discovery Enterprise and not the original (1960's) TOS Enterprise. It is a little annoying since they're trying desperately hard to make Discovery cannon prime timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Cursing in Star Trek was usually done with more class and the swearing in IV was because they went back in time and the was the way people talked back then! F bombs are definitely not cool with me, but what the fuck ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 It's just out of place in Trek which has envisioned a future where gutter-talk is eradicated. It might seem like some of us are being too nit-picky, but why introduce this change now, when it's supposedly in the same timeline as TNG etc. where we know people don't use such language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,044 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 12 minutes ago, Arpy said: It's just out of place in Trek which has envisioned a future where gutter-talk is eradicated. It might seem like some of us are being too nit-picky, but why introduce this change now, when it's supposedly in the same timeline as TNG etc. where we know people don't use such language. Not that I'm saying anything new, but this is indicative of a larger problem of Trek trying to feel "contemporary"--good lord do I use that word a lot talking about Star Trek. Almost as annoying as cuss words here are the awkward slang phrases, exacerbated by that obnoxious smirk, smartass delivery that's so popular with modern actors and actresses. It hasn't happened _too_ often in this show so far, but I grimace every time it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Definitely, and it's the wrong direction for Trek. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,362 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Game Of Throne made bad language cool in Peak TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,824 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Arpy said: It's just out of place in Trek which has envisioned a future where gutter-talk is eradicated. Or is it just that Trek originated in an era when it was impossible to say "fuck" on TV? I didn't even notice it. People talk like they talk. It would be odd for a show set in the future to talk like people talked in futuristic shows decades ago and justify that with not wanting to be contemporary. "Contemporary" lies right between when Trek originally aired and the time it is actually set in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,362 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 People dont swear in Roddenberry's utopia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 9 hours ago, Trent B said: I bet Gene is turning in his grave right now. That's impossible. Gene was cremated and his ashes were distributed into space. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,866 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I threw this on Pluto TV last night while I was doing some other stuff, just to have something on in the background until I was ready to do something else. Picard looked gracefully aged, but Data just looked CAKED with makeup. Probably would have gotten away with it in SD but not in crisp HD. The borg cube at the end was pretty neat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 552 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Or is it just that Trek originated in an era when it was impossible to say "fuck" on TV? This. Nobody swore because the show was on broadcast TV. I know we like to believe they're all enlightened, but come on. As for the scene where the Admrial swore at Picard, it was shocking and unexpected, and there was such anger and hatred in her face and voice. But I thought it really worked to underscore just how far our good Captain has fallen from Starfleet's graces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,411 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Maybe in season 2 they'll be given a budget to make a completely digital version of Data instead. Or what about an elaborate puppet? Jim Henson's Creature Workshop did some good stuff in Labyrinth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Finished the second episode. I still like the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,362 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 So is Star Trek saved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Gents! Our hope is restored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 I'll watch the first episode on YouTube tonight and decide if I want to pay for a subscription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 The look of several places in this series reminds me of the SW prequels. Establishing shots of cities resemble Coruscant and, well... _deleted_ and gkgyver 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,362 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Star Trek needs to be in 4:3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,411 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: The look of several places in this series reminds me of the SW prequels. Establishing shots of cities resemble Coruscant and, well... God this is quite off-putting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I feel like you'd enjoy it well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,362 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 He won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 596 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 12 hours ago, Stefancos said: Game Of Throne made bad language cool in Peak TV. I think it was Battlestar Galactica 2003 which really started it. Now all sci-fi has to be populated with miserable people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,044 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Even more insidious than the conspiracy in the show is that of CBS. Behold the All Access app: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,823 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Star Trek: Big Brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,494 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,159 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Star Trek: Salvation - that'll be the name of the new TNG film they make in a few years after these shows flop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 They have Big Brother listed as one of my favorite shows. I've never even seen it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,494 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I gotta sit down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,218 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,362 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Pellaeon said: I think it was Battlestar Galactica 2003 which really started it. Now all sci-fi has to be populated with miserable people. What the frack are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Second episode was good, or at least still intriguing. It’s been 2 hours of set up so far. I miss episodic TV. I’d love a Trek formatted slightly more like Doctor Who. Each episode a completely distinct story but with season-long character arcs. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Watched the first episode, wasn’t too impressed. Why must everything look so bland and be devoid of color? Mark my words, they are going to bring Data back to life at some point in this series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 1,003 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ollie said: Watched the first episode, wasn’t too impressed. Why must everything look so bland and be devoid of color? Mark my words, they are going to bring Data back to life at some point in this series. They opened the door to have Brent Spiner play the role without having the look of Data, with Soji and Dahj (since the B-4 route got closed). Also, Lore is still out there disassembled, isn't he? What would stop somebody retrieving Lore and overwriting him with Data? Might be more successful since Lore is much more similar to Data than B-4 was. Unless Lore has already been found and reactivated and he's the one responsible for the synths going berserk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,106 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I can’t remember what Data did with Lore’s remains but yes this sets up a a full synthetic Data, sans makeup, for Brent Spiner to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I mean... that sounds fantastic. Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted February 1, 2020 Author Share Posted February 1, 2020 10 hours ago, Þekþiþm said: This is Star Trek: Half-Brother. 1 hour ago, Ollie said: Why must everything look so bland and be devoid of color? France looked like it was filmed in Arizona and the sky had nuclear fallout or something. But at least the Golden Gate Bridge is nice and colorful, and the Romulan playground is full of beautiful green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 596 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Of course it’s not really France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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