JoeinAR 1,953 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I will watch ep 4 tonight. Then watch the ready room. I don't have to talk about it here. I watch with my husband and I discuss with Stefan. I must get the Eaglemoss diecast model of the taxi on Picard it is so retro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lovejoy 7,904 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Quintus said: How come nobody is talking about it here? I thought this was a big show for JWfan? I'll probably try to watch epi 3 tonight. The show is still entertaining, but the serialized storytelling bothers me to an extent. It was more apparent in this one because they're actually in a spaceship traveling to a place and literally all that happens is that they pick up a guy Picard knew. Picard was helping these people in flashbacks and in the present day, the planet has gone to shit. The older Trek shows would have done something with this as a self-contained storyline. I don't know, maybe he brings everyone together and saves the planet with a speech or something. Instead, a guy gets his head cut off and brief action/chase/escape occurs. Very uneventful episode, but Patrick Stewart carries the whole thing once again. The new Romulan swordsman guy gave me Lord of the Rings vibes, but overall I like this crew they've assembled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,048 Posted February 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2020 Just saw the fourth episode. The show keeps getting better and better. Spoiler First of all, what a goddamn sweet opening. Russo actually has a fun and levity-filled cue to begin, such a great departure from all the boring ominous string ostinati that sample libraries practically do in their own now. It's so charming watching Picard bond with the young boy--Elnor?--in classic Picard fashion, down to reading literature and teaching the kid fencing. It is also here that we start to see Jonathan Frakes' directing come to the fore, with nice visual ideas that impart their own meaning, rather than simply record action and dialogue. Throughout the episode we see his assuredness behind the camera. Afterwards, we're thrown again into present day, where now that the show has kicked off the premise, it seems that it isn't afraid to go deeper into the world it has set up, with its ramifications and impacts on the characters. A thankful reprieve from Plot MacGuffin chasing with a "pointy earred" backdrop, as Thor might put it. When the show was first announced, I shared my hopes that it would tackle the idea of aging, etc. in a way that American media is often afraid to do. What we are being given is something far more personal: Picard being confronted with his own image as a righteous man and hero. Much of the tension of the show, most explicitly in this episode, comes from the Idealistic and Noble Picard, who for decades we've associated with humanistic, compassionate, elegant victories, being smacked in the face with the fallout of a tremendous, horrifying failure. A man who could do no wrong in his quest for right suddenly gets challenged at every turn. This is probably most succinctly shown in the scene when they're trying without success to get clearance into the Romulan relocation planet: Picard tells Raffi and the ethnically confused pilot matter-of-factly: "Contact them, let them know it's me." Raffi's response? "That's the first thing we did." When he finally is able to touch down on the surface, he's greeted with the fruits of his once Midas touch: ghetto neighborhoods with a dirtied people, with racism in full display as obviously shown by the "Romulans Only" sign. His well-intentioned greetings are met with apathy or hostility. While I'm sure this is effective on its own, it especially hits being a fan of The Next Generation, thinking of episodes such as Reunification and The Defector. Again we see someone close to Picard upset and betrayed, feeling like a pawn in his "damned idealistic crusade". What's nice about the show, and this episode, is that while it does address these things head-on, in what one might argue is the self-aware vogue, it's also not afraid to embrace the same things the characters criticize. Picard gets hit multiple times for thinking he can just waltz in any place, lift his index finger, and with noble intentions and measured British poise get his way. What does he do? He goes to a "Romulans Only" establishment, sits down after throwing its segregation sign down on the ground, and asks for a waiter in Romulan. He gets slammed for being a pretty speech maker, leading a disgraced Romulan senator to challenge him to the death? He makes a short, impassioned speech towards the people he wronged. The Next Generation painted him as the consummate Starfleet officer, a true beacon of the Federation's principles, but with this show, it's shown that it was never the uniform or the commission that made him. If I had to share nitpicks, I'm not a fan of Blonde Scientist Girl. In this episode, modern TV speak and acting style rears its head through her more obnoxiously than previously, and I think it's here to stay. I also don't understand the deal with the captain and the holograms...am I the only one confused by this? All in all, a very entertaining episode that continues to suck me into the show. Not much was done with Soji and college-campus-folk-singer Romulan dude this episode, but I want that stuff to be more of a springboard for Picard and his crew's adventures than the primary reason to care about the show, anyways. Seven of Nine's introduction didn't mean anything to me, because I literally don't have an ounce of care towards Voyager, but I'm looking forward to seeing Voyager fans here chime in with how they feel about her return. And Frakes better direct more episodes! Also, the preview for the next episode looks like they raided the costume concept art for Rogue City from AI and I love it. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun. Disco Stu, Cerebral Cortex and Matt S. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted February 13, 2020 Share Posted February 13, 2020 I too like how things are going. HOWEVER I am absolutely annoyed by the amount of type of language (f bomb gd) and how often it's being used in this show. That type of language does NOT belong in Star Trek. Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,457 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 I'm not discussing the show because I have not committed myself to buying a subscription yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,636 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 43 minutes ago, Trent B said: I too like how things are going. HOWEVER I am absolutely annoyed by the amount of type of language (f bomb gd) and how often it's being used in this show. That type of language does NOT belong in Star Trek. You'll hear it in SW next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: You'll hear it in SW next. I hope not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,457 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 57 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: You'll hear it in SW next. It'll be Baby Yoda's first word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,636 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 How come the word "fuck" no longer has the power it once had? How did that change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lovejoy 7,904 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 It's definitely had the power in these Picard episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,636 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 It used to almost be like saying "Voldemort". You'd be in big trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lovejoy 7,904 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Out of order?! Fuck! Even in the future, nothin' works! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,636 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Making a show about Picard as a little old man is still bewildering to me. gkgyver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Quintus 5,617 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: It's definitely had the power in these Picard episodes. The power of cringe. Trent B, A. A. Ron, Arpy and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, Quintus said: The power of cringe. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,774 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 They don't say the F word in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 10,000 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Alexcremers said: They don't say the F word in the future? No, they all talk like they did in the 60s and the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,457 Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 16 hours ago, Þekþiþm said: How come the word "fuck" no longer has the power it once had? How did that change? I still get yelled at for using it at work. Feckin pansies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 10,224 Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Really? Here at my job people curse all the time, my boss included. And he's a lawyer and a businessman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,509 Posted February 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 14, 2020 Since I've been revisiting Voyager lately, a show I've always loved, I was very excited to see Seven at the end. I wanna know where Janeway, Paris, B'Elanna, The Doctor and the rest are! I demand a cameo from Admiral Janeway! Give us the Janeway! Give us the Janeway! Yavar Moradi, Bryant Burnette, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,457 Posted February 15, 2020 Author Share Posted February 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Edmilson said: Really? Here at my job people curse all the time, my boss included. And he's a lawyer and a businessman. Where I work, there's a lot of old women who do not like that language, so they complain about it. Anything that makes a workplace hostile is bad for business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lovejoy 7,904 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Fuck 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 596 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Yeah, I don’t like cussin’ in the future. I’ll make an exception for Scotty, though. Would it have hurt for him just one time to have said, “Ah canhn’t doo it, cap’n. Ah just DOON’T haave tha FOOKIN’ POW’R!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 11,393 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 20 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I demand a cameo from Admiral Janeway! Give us the Janeway! Give us the Janeway! There'll be an "alternate universe" episode, where Geneviève Bujold is Admiral Nicole Janeway. Trent B, Lady Dimitrescu and 1977 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 9:15 AM, Naïve Old Fart said: There'll be an "alternate universe" episode, where Geneviève Bujold is Admiral Nicole Janeway. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/14/2020 at 1:52 PM, Edmilson said: Really? Here at my job people curse all the time, my boss included. And he's a lawyer and a businessman. where I work foul language is a Class B infraction and can lead to termination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lovejoy 7,904 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Chakotay was such a lameo boyfriend, it was inevitable Seven would switch sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Tonight I'm giving Star Trek Picard one more chance. If it has the profanity I do not like and care for again (I mean the f bomb and other colorful metaphors) I am not going to watch anymore of it and I don't care if it's Star Trek. The type of profanity being used in Picard is a major turn off for me. As I've said it's Star Trek and in MY opinion that type of language does NOT belong in Star Trek. Pellaeon and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,457 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Fuckin A. Naïve Old Fart and Giftheck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,048 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Trent B said: Tonight I'm giving Star Trek Picard one more chance. If it has the profanity I do not like and care for again (I mean the f bomb and other colorful metaphors) I am not going to watch anymore of it and I don't care if it's Star Trek. The type of profanity being used in Picard is a major turn off for me. As I've said it's Star Trek and in MY opinion that type of language does NOT belong in Star Trek. Hope you enjoyed it while it lasted! Mr. Lovejoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 596 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I might tune in in Season 3. Maybe it’ll find its legs by then. Star Trek shows (at least, from TNG on) have always taken some time to settle into their format, and lately it seems worse than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 749 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Trent B said: Tonight I'm giving Star Trek Picard one more chance. If it has the profanity I do not like and care for again (I mean the f bomb and other colorful metaphors) I am not going to watch anymore of it and I don't care if it's Star Trek. The type of profanity being used in Picard is a major turn off for me. As I've said it's Star Trek and in MY opinion that type of language does NOT belong in Star Trek. Not only does it have the profanity, it's got Saw-level graphic violence right at the beginning. Star Trek -- ACTUAL Star Trek, I mean, as opposed to bullshit with a "Star Trek" in the title somewhere -- is apparently dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,048 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bryant Burnette said: Not only does it have the profanity, it's got Saw-level graphic violence right at the beginning. I didn't expect to have to wince away from the screen watching a Star Trek episode! It's also always nice to start out with mercy killing. Overall, this was an interesting episode. Pretty weird, and not just 'cause of all the goofy infiltration stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 11,393 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Bryant Burnette said: ACTUAL Star Trek, I mean, as opposed to bullshit with a "Star Trek" in the title somewhere... Speaking of which...wasn't there a "bullshit", in FIRST CONTACT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 40 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Speaking of which...wasn't there a "bullshit", in FIRST CONTACT? Yes there is Lilly said it. I forgot about that but it seemed natural with how she responded to Picard when that scene happened. Since Picard was trying to justify as to why he killed two of his officers who were assimilated on the holodeck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lovejoy 7,904 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Oh shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,185 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Is it just me, or is the camera constantly moving a major distraction - like all modern shows feel the need to keep the camera moving as if the cameraman needs to piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,292 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Watching new episode now, just caught some of the Voyager main theme as Seven beams back down to the planet, cool! Nice touch... Cerebral Cortex and JoeinAR 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 It gets a credit mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lovejoy 7,904 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Arpy said: Is it just me, or is the camera constantly moving a major distraction - like all modern shows feel the need to keep the camera moving as if the cameraman needs to piss. I gotta take a leak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 340 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Well glad they didn't use the profanity like last week's episode. I did like tonight's so I'll keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,048 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Trent B said: Well glad they didn't use the profanity like last week's episode. I did like tonight's so I'll keep going. Isn't that stressful to get invested a show, just waiting for the bomb to drop and bounce out when a few "un Star Trek" words appear? Also, if I remember correctly, the only cuss word last episode was when the captain said "fucking", and this latest episode Raffi says "You're shit out of luck". I don't understand where you're drawing the line, and where you'll go no further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Lovejoy 7,904 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 The line must be drawn here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,048 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: The line must be drawn here! How many "fucks" does it take, Admiral, before it becomes wrong? Hm? 10? 5? 1? How many "fucks" does it take, Admiral! NL197 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Dimitrescu 9,636 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Star Trek used to be a family show. What happened?? Naïve Old Fart and Trent B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 11,393 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Good question, Jerry. I've not seen a full episode, but I watched a YouTube clip, where a Romulan is beheaded. Sheesh! 2 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I gotta take a leak! I need to go piss, real bad. Ah, yeah. You, and me, in Japan. Watch me dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,774 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: Star Trek used to be a family show. What happened?? Miserable ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,617 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Rose is displeased... what the fuck to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,359 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 hours ago, ATXHusker said: Watching new episode now, just caught some of the Voyager main theme as Seven beams back down to the planet, cool! Nice touch... Good catch! I really got a kick out of that as well. Caught me quite off guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,509 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 The more graphic violence and bleak, almost dystopian tone are making me wince much more than some naughty words. But I’m still enjoying the characters, I’m in it til the end. I also wish it wasn’t relying so much on the story structure of withholding information/motivations from the audience just to string us along from episode to episode. I just rewatched Voyager seasons 6 and 7 over the past few weeks, so the killing of Icheb actually hit close to home for me. That was definitely the single most satisfying and well-developed relationship Seven had in the original show, outside of the vaguely mother-daughter-ish one with Janeway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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