toothless 963 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers/869-test-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-communaute-anneau.html https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers/870-test-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-deux-tours.html https://www.hdnumerique.com/dossiers/871-test-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-retour-roi.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Finally, I can see Frodo's pores in 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Man just removing the green tint from FOTR makes it look brand new Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I won’t judge them fully until I see them properly in motion (especially in regards to DNR which always looks worse in screenshots) but just in terms of colours I think the 4K releases are the best yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 For FotR the only pieces of DNR that really stood out to me were the Bag End Gandalf+someone else bluescreen shots... but then again I saw people mention those and I was half-looking out for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I really want a 4K TV but I can’t justify one while renting and my parents sitting room is too small for one. You can’t get 32” 4K TV it seems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 TTT TE: I always thought this one was the dullest looking, tan overall and less saturated. Well now I revoke that! Most of the worst faring shots are better in motion. My least favourite were Théoden and Legolas talking after the warg attack, that was smeary and jittery, and the Grey Company's (plus Théoden and Fakeomer) final shots, those were very soft and overdnred. But overall the vast majority looks great! I also like that they removed the blue tint from some of those shots, approaching Osgiliath and such, now it looks like the night is over and the sun is coming out soon instead of like just a slapped on blanket blue tint for the whole reel. Too bad about the Arwen flashforward but that passes quickly too. Most of Gollum's shots and even many of the MASSIVE Uruk army shots hold up really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 woah that green tint was awful compared to the normal look of the 4k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 19 hours ago, Bilbo said: I really want a 4K TV but I can’t justify one while renting and my parents sitting room is too small for one. You can’t get 32” 4K TV it seems! That's because you wouldn't notice the difference between a 2K and 4K 32" TV! However, you can play off a 4K blu on a 2K TV. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 I have a 43" 4k TV and yes to get "ze proper effect" (as Dr. Kaufman might say) I would have to sit like 2 feet in front my TV Needless to say.... I do not do that. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Yeah, why do that when you can sit one foot in front of the telly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 RotK has a couple overly soft shots too, like Gandalf and Pippin before entering the Tower Hall, but mostly looks great. The fall of Osgiliath still looks pretty bad, very BotFA-esque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monoverantus 363 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 10:48 AM, Holko said: I also like that they removed the blue tint from some of those shots, approaching Osgiliath and such, now it looks like the night is over and the sun is coming out soon instead of like just a slapped on blanket blue tint for the whole reel. I've long considered that short scene to be the ugliest of the entire trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 On the whole the films look pretty good. There are some bad shots but the majority of it is fine and fares much better than the recent SW release. But you can really tell a lot of the visual effects show their age though. Some of it is very noticeable. Truth be told, some of the shots looked bad back in the day too... I really enjoyed re-watching after so many years. Decided to go through the six films in order. The LOTR trilogy is probably the closest thing we have to an old Hollywood epic. For all its minor shortcomings, it is a true classic and we haven't seen anything quite like this since. Karol Holko and KK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 On 12/18/2020 at 3:55 PM, crocodile said: On the whole the films look pretty good. There are some bad shots but the majority of it is fine and fares much better than the recent SW release. But you can really tell a lot of the visual effects show their age though. Some of it is very noticeable. Truth be told, some of the shots looked bad back in the day too... I really enjoyed re-watching after so many years. Decided to go through the six films in order. The LOTR trilogy is probably the closest thing we have to an old Hollywood epic. For all its minor shortcomings, it is a true classic and we haven't seen anything quite like this since. Karol Guess I'll make the investment then. I was replaying some of the LOTR appendices over the weekend. Damn these films were fucking massive. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, KK said: Guess I'll make the investment then. I'd still wait for them to announce what the new bonus features in next year's editions will be. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Ditto. I think we can be pretty certain that they are deleted scenes (not re-inserted into the body of the films: as a separate disc or two). Jackson wanted to have that bonus feature back with the 1080p Blu-rays, so... It will also include 1080p Blu-rays downsampled from this new master, which should come-in handy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Hard to think there's still stuff to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, KK said: Hard to think there's still stuff to see! There’s a shit tonne of deleted stuff we already know about to be fair! Jackson wanted to do a doc on each of the six films for a previous release. Hopefully he’s been allowed so it this time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, KK said: Hard to think there's still stuff to see! At some point during the cutting process, each of these six films was between 3.5-5 hours long. So yeah, there is stuff to see. And it ought to be in HD now... They could also include previz scenes that were never shot. I'd be really interested to see the demo tape they used in pitching to New Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 and the Cannes reel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 If those things do come out, I hope they won't re-temp it with Shore's music: I'd be interested in hearing their original temp-track choices. Get ready to hear lots of Last of the Mohicans, Braveheart and Gladiator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 As cool as all of that would be, I have a feeling none of that is going to make it to this release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Chen G. said: If those things do come out, I hope they won't re-temp it with Shore's music: I'd be interested in hearing their original temp-track choices. Get ready to hear lots of Last of the Mohicans, Braveheart and Gladiator! well the largest section of that reel WAS scored with Shore’s music (Moria) and I couldn’t really see them paying the licensing fees for the temp music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, KK said: I have a feeling none of that is going to make it to this release. I don't disagree with you. But one can hope! 2 minutes ago, Bilbo said: well the largest section of that reel WAS scored with Shore’s music (Moria) and I couldn’t really see them paying the licensing fees for the music. It was basically a bit of the Shire, a montage of the adventure leading up to Moria, then an extended Moria setpiece, then another montage of events from the rest of the film and the following two. Everything other than Moria was temped with the above. The actual previz and assemblies were scored mostly with earlier Howard Shore scores: the use of then-popular soundtracks was mostly in these "show" pieces, so as to appeal to studio heads and audiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, KK said: As cool as all of that would be, I have a feeling none of that is going to make it to this release. Agreed. According to Bill Hunt over at Digital Bits, there will only be "one" new special feature on the release next year. Though it's not clear if that's one total or one per film. I'd be very suprised if they included deleted scenes. And I don't get the impression Jackson is big on deleted scenes. If he were, I imagine we already would have gotten them. I think he put what he wanted into the EE's. Don't let the naysayers keep you from getting these discs. The films look stunning in HDR. No, they're not perfect, and there are some colour choices I would not have made, i.e. Jackson is clearly going for colour uniformity along the six films, and since the Hobbit films basically look the same in this set, that meant tinkering with LOTR. You mainly notice this in the LOTR flashbacks. There's also some unfortunate use of DNR, but on the whole the films look spectacular, and in a way it's like watching them for the first time. FOTR by far looks the best, and mercifully, the green tint that plagued the Blu-Ray's is gone. If you love these films, I think this set is a no-brainer. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, Nick1066 said: I'd be very suprised if they included deleted scenes. And I don't get the impression Jackson is big on deleted scenes. If he were, I imagine we already would have gotten them. I think he put what he wanted into the EE's. He talks about wanting to release a lot more stuff, especially deleted scenes down the line in the Appendices of the RotK EE. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 On 12/21/2020 at 10:57 PM, Holko said: He talks about wanting to release a lot more stuff, especially deleted scenes down the line in the Appendices of the RotK EE. I know, he's said that for a while, and that he's saving it for the ultimate, super-deluxe, etc. set. I just don't think what we're getting next year is that. Priorities change. I mean, I can't read his mind, but my impression is he's a peace with where Middle-Earth is, and it's clearly his head is in a different space right now with the film restoration/documentaries he's doing. But perhaps some day.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Holko said: He talks about wanting to release a lot more stuff, especially deleted scenes down the line in the Appendices of the RotK EE. Yea, but those interviews were shot almost 20 years ago. That was a much happier time and place for PJ, when he was basically king of Hollywood. I don't know how invested he still is in getting all that material out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, KK said: Yea, but those interviews were shot almost 20 years ago. That was a much happier time and place for PJ, when he was basically king of Hollywood. I don't know how invested he still is in getting all that material out there. When that silly boxset with the “fancy” wooden shelf came out a couple of years back he wanted to do all sorts of new extras but WB wouldn’t pay for it. Holko and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, KK said: Yea, but those interviews were shot almost 20 years ago. That was a much happier time and place for PJ, when he was basically king of Hollywood. No, from 2015 or so, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Interesting! Didn't know that. This was for the Blu Ray set? Or just general comments he made? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 It was for the Blu-ray collector’s edition. Warner’s refused the expense of digging up the negative from their vaults, which was required to get the deleted scenes... So yeah, almost certain that that’s what we’re getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chen G. said: So yeah, almost certain that that’s what we’re getting. Of course, you have no idea about this, you're just speculating (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 That’s where the evidence is pointing, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 If we look at the Rohan smearing issues that were also on the bluray... it really doesn't look like they used the OCNs for LotR. And why would they have, most shots are altered in some way, even a simple grading is a ton of work to recreate from scratch when it changes from shot to shot to unify all the different material over years. So... who knows. But either way I'd take waiting a year over having/wanting to buy it twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,714 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chen G. said: That’s where the evidence is pointing, so... What evidence? Bill Hunt's contacts in the industry have proven to be pretty reliable, and here's what he says about the subject: Quote Now then… Warner has also announced plans to release both 4K sets together in one more deluxe package next summer. That set is expected to include the same 4K movie discs coming on 12/1, with the same Hobbit Blu-rays already available (the movies only, not the extras), and newly-produced Lord of the Rings Blu-rays upgraded with better image quality from this new 4K remaster (those remastered Lord of the Rings Blu-rays will also be available separately next year, in honor of the 20th anniversary of The Fellowship of the Ring). That package too will include Digital Copies, but it will NOT include The Appendices or any of the other previous extras (with the likely exception of the audio commentaries on the regular Blu-rays). We’re told that it will, however, include ONE new piece of bonus content that’s still yet to be determined. And that package is likely to include deluxe packaging and swag items too (possibly a book of some kind, artwork cards, and maybe replicas of the One Ring and the Key to Erebor). Now, his info could be bad, but he's not just speculating. My guess is we'll get some kind of retrospective, but that's just me speculating. Don't get me wrong, I'd love deleted scenes, but I'd be very surprised if that happend this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Holko said: If we look at the Rohan smearing issues that were also on the bluray... it really doesn't look like they used the OCNs for LotR. And why would they have, most shots are altered in some way, even a simple grading is a ton of work to recreate from scratch when it changes from shot to shot to unify all the different material over years. So... who knows. But either way I'd take waiting a year over having/wanting to buy it twice. Yeah, having looked at as many screenshots I could find on the internet, I don’t think there’s any way that the films were actually rescanned from the OCNs, there’s less visible detail here than on the Blu Rays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2020 -Additional Prologue material: -Sauron stabs his hand and the blood mixes with gold to form the One Ring [FOTR Calendar] -The torching of Gil-Galad at the hand of Sauron (movie book and filmmaker confirmed) . -Elf maidens run through Lorien (from 1st trailer [this is 2nd Age Lorien, not 3rd Age]) -Many more and varied shots of the Last Alliance battle (from Vanity Fair and many early photos) . Shots of Legolass and Gimli when explaining the dwarves and elf races.. - Additional Hobbiton material:- Gandalf teaches Frodo Sindarin in a sequence in the horse cart refering to the book Frodo was just reading. -“Say what you like about Mad Baggins. No one keeps a better table.” – Random hobbit discusses Bilbo while setting up for the party (from a official site featurette) . - More Dancing at the party and Merry and Pipin play some instruments -“The Shadow has arisen.” Extended Gandalf/Frodo discussion in Bag End. (from FotR Tv Spot, see Tolkien-Movies.com) .This is possibly from the Gandalf ownership of telling the prologue rather than Elrond or Galadriel. —Additional Isengard material: -“Tell me, Gandalf the Grey, you – to whom so many look for guidance…how is it you can be so blind? The world is changed, Gandalf. A new Age is at hand…the Age of Men, which we must rule. Are we not the Istari? Within this frail human form does not the spirit of a Maiar live?” Extended Gandalf/Saruman discussion (from official calendar [which was highly accurate as to the extended version of FotR]) - Additional Departing the Shire material: -It is made known that the hills of Emyn Beriad are mentioned as the place where Gil-galad built the White Tower for Elendil. (from official calendar) . - Additional Prancing Pony material: -Strider: “your courage alone will not save you.” “Sauron gave them the promise of eternal rule…unending life. They took the Rings without question…and one by one, regardless of their strength to good or evil…they fell. They are the Ringwraiths, the Nazgul, the Nine Servants of Sauron.” Extended Strider/Hobbits discussion. (from official calendar) . The dialogue is not accurate but when the ring wants to be found in the prancing pony pub we do not intercut between the ring wraiths and frodo instead Aragorn narrates over the images after he says “I know what hunts you”… “They wereonce men, great kings of men. Then Saurin the deciever gave to them nine rings of power. Blinded by their greed they took them without question, one by one falling into darkness. Now they are slaves to his will”. interestingly the shot of the ring flying up out of frodo’s hand on a black screen can be seen in the 2 towers Galdriel monologue with the completed background…There might be a precursor shot to the door falttening too of a Black rider racing at camera. -Additonal Weathertop material: There is a loot plundared from a cave near the ledge. -Aragorn and Arwen first meeting when young. “Give us the ring halfling” and “The ring is ours” extra ringwraith dialogue as they approach Frodo - Additional Ford of Bruinen material: -Elrond and Sauron stage a metaphysical battle for control of Frodo’s spirit (Peter Jackson, DVD Commentary). The Green Puss is missing from Frodo’s face amongst flipped shots of the Black Riders. - Additional Rivendell material: -Elrond throws a welcome party with singing and feasting, much as in the book [Jackson DVD commentary] -Elrond recites the entire Ring poem. (from extended DVD documentary). All that is gold does not glitter; all that is long does not last; All that is old does not wither; not all that is over is past. Not all that have fallen are vanquished; a king may yet be without crown, A blade that was broken be brandished; and towers that were strong may fall down -Elrond: “To what Frodo will come in the end, I cannot tell.” Gandalf: “Not to evil, I think. He may become like a glass filled with a clear light…for eyes to see that can.” These two discuss Frodo as he lies asleep. (from official calendar) . -“There’s magic here, right down deep where you can’t put your hands on it. They live in both world’s at once. The seen and unseen. So alive, but so sad.” Sam/Frodo discuss elves as they explore a gazebo in Rivendell. (Official photos, books.) This scene is in the film partially but no dialogue can be heard. -Gandalf: “Through all those long years you knew this day would come. The ring of power… it has been found.” Elrond: “Did I know the Ring would be found? No…it is what I feared. Time wearies all of us – even those who do not measure it.” Extended Gandalf/Elrond discussion in Rivendell.(From official calendar and FotR TV Spot,) -Additional Council of Elrond material: -“Let folly be our cloak, a veil before the eyes of the Enemy…He will not think that, having the Ring, we may seek to destroy it.” Gandalf/Boromir discussion at the Council (from official calendar). = Boromir “No, it is a gift…” -“It must be destroyed!” Gandalf’s vigorous plea at the council (from virtually every TV spot). -“Sauron mixed his own blood with molten gold to create the One Ring. It contains his life force!” Gandalf speaks at the council (from extended DVD documentary) -“Nine companions to match the Nine Ringwraiths…” Elrond at the council (from extended DVD documentary and calendar) . -Additional Departing Rivendell material: -“The light of the Evenstar does not wax and wane…it is constant, even in the greatest darkness.” Arwen/Aragorn discussion (from calendar). Appears in the two towers in an altered form. -“Nai Tiruvantel ar varyuvantel I Valar tielyanna nu vilya.” (Translation: May the Valar protect you on your path under the sky.) This is indeed the hour of the Shire-folk.“ Elrond’s extended blessing (official calendar) . -It is made known that Elrond possesses the Ring of Vilya (official calendar) . -It is made known that Arwen is the last-born of her people (official calendar) . -Legolas and Arwen touch each other’s faces fondly as they depart (extended DVD documentary). -Additional Journey South material: -Gandalf stumbles down a steep hill. Legolas catches him. “Blast! Why did the Valar send me here in this old man’s body! No matter. It is not the strength of the body that matters, but the strength of the spirit.” Gandalf philosophizes, (from official books, calendar, and photos. ) -Evidently, it is revealed that Gandalf, Saruman, and Sauron are all Maiar spirits. (official calendar) . -There are many additional Trekking shots of the fellowship over landscapes -Additional Caradhras material: -“Moria - Khazad-dum! Greatest of the Dwarf Halls – what I would not give to look on its treasures!” Gimli tries to persuade the group (official calendar) . -“One must tread the path that need chooses.” Gandalf attempts to justify Frodo’s choice to try the Mines of Moria (official calendar) .Alternate to "so be it" -Additional Moria material: -“Now you will see, Master Elf, one of the marvels of the Northern World” A slightly varied version of Gimli’s final edit line. (official calendar) . -Extended stair sequence. Frodo’s perspective is shown as the Fellowship races down the stairs of Moria. Frodo almost falls off the edge. The ring almost falls as well, but Frodo catches it just in time. Frodo is almost hit by an arrow, but Aragorn blocks it with a dwarf shield he picked up. (all from Randall Cook interview on extended DVD) . -The Balrog flies around the Fellowship, terrorizing them as they run for the Bridge. (from technical supervisor interview. ) —Pursuit into Lothlorien: -A band of Moria orcs pursue the Fellowship into Lorien. Running through the woods dodging arrows, Legolas spins around to return fire. Suddenly arrows start appearing ahead of the Fellowship, mowing down the orcs behind them. Haldir and his naith appear. Haldir addresses the Fellowship while other elves retrieve their arrows from the dead orcs: “Orcs have dared enter Lothlorien; they will not leave it alive!” [from trailers, tv spots, photos, books, and calendar] Legolass costume changes. This scene is important for Haldirs appearance at Helms Deep. -Extra Dialogue between Haldir and the fellowship whilst trekking and they look out towards Dol-goldur and discuss the growing evil before they reach the treetop city (Script). Notice how it changes between day and night too quickly in this part. -Frodo sees Gandalf in Galadrials mirror “Do not touch the water” extra scenes of the scorge of the shire (Script and EE DVD documentary) I think Frodo was too see the Maia spirit gandalf after the defeat of the Balrog in the Mirror? —Additional Isengard material: -Saruman: “The Grey Wizard is dead. His rag-tag Fellowship is leaderless. There is none left to defend it.” [FOTR Calendar] Talking to Sauron? or the Witch King there is a shot of the Palantir held within a Black Riders Hand Armour and cloak. —Additional Great River material: -Sarn Gebir rapids partially shot scene…Because the set was destroyed although there could be more shots of the boats and there is also concept art of an attack at night by orcs. Possibly preceeding Gollum on the log. Interestingly The actual place the rapids were intended to be shot at vs the story board version... In the storyboard we have a fall off a waterdall in the place in reality there is a long small cave exit through the rock where it has eroded the stone away wgich would have been a stunning escape through a cave/. -Aragorn: “The Argonath. It once marked the northern border of Gondor.” [SEE DVD documentary] -Aragron: “Amon Hen – the Hill of Sight. They say that all that moves for hundreds of miles around is revealed to one who sits upon the Seeing Seat. Such was the power of the ancients.” [FOTR Calendar] -When looking out from the seeing seat, Frodo sees a great expanse of the world and all of Sauron’s forces moving (burning Lorien, Corsairs, Moria, Dale, etc. ) [SEE DVD Commentary] Probably best to save this for later… -Sarumans Crows spotting the group on the river? This one is a guess but on the aerial swoop shot and the group looking about you can hear the crows but none are seen. Missing effects shot? Extended scene where Boromir trys to take the ring (DVD commentry) -Extra fighting scenes at Amon Hen-Frodo and Sam being attacked by Uruk-hai whilst in the boat (alternative scene) The Two Towers: -Extra scenes of Merry & Pippin with the Uruk-hai & Orcs (the cut that appears in the film is a combination of two separate camp scenes) -An unknown scene displayed in The Two Towers preview of Éomer lowering a spear while riding his horse in a forest. This is possibly the discovery of Theodred being found near death at the river. -Extra Burning of the westfold scenes When Aragorn Legolas and Gimli find the dead Uruks Gimli has a gag about them having healthy appetites upon seeing the remains of the orc they ate.-Legolas and Treebeard talking about the Elves passing - Grima poisoning Theodred… A blue bottle was included with the action figure of Wormtongue -Additional Gollum material: -Sam calls him “slier than a fox and slippery as a fish.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Extended monologue: “No, no Master! Don’t take the precious to him! He’ll eat us all if he gets it, eat all the world. [TTT Visual Companion] -In the marshes he says, “Tricksy lights! Candles of corpses! Wicked lights! You must not look at them when the candles are lit…” [TTT Visual Companion] Gollum is beaten more harshly in an extended version of the scene by Faramirs guards {DVD Commentry). -Additional Uruk-hai material: -”We are the fighting Uruk-hai… the servants of Saruman the Wise, the White Hand…” [TTT Visual Companion] -Additional Three Hunters material: -Aragorn: “Where sight fails the earth may bring us rumor. The land must groan under their hated feet.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Additional Eomer material: -Eomer: “We welcomed guests kindly in the better days, but in these times the unbidden stranger finds us swift and hard.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Eomer “I serve only the Lord of the Mark, Theoden King, Son of Thengel.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Gandalf: “Put your trust in Eomer, rather than a man of crooked mind.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Eomer: “He has taken orcs into his service, and wolf-riders, and evil men, and he has closed the gap against us, so that we are likely to be beset both east and west.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Additional Ent material: -Treebeard: “Ere iron was found or tree was hewn, when young was mountain under moon; ere ring was made or wrought was woe, it walked the forests long ago. [TTT Visual Companion] -Gandalf: “The oldest living thing that still walks beneath the Sun upon this Middle Earth.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Additional Edoras material: -Gandalf: “Golden, too, are the posts of its doors.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Grima: “Ever have you been the herald of woe.” [TTT Visual Companion] -Gandalf: “Ever his whispering was in your ears… poisoning your thoughts." [TTT Visual Companion] -Theoden: “Banishment is too good for you."[TTT Visual Companion] -Additional Orthanc material: -When Grima returns to Saruman there is a line by Saruman: “Theoden made two mistakes. First he trusted you, then he let you live.”[TTT Photo Guide] -Saruman: “With it, I shall be more powerful than the Lord of the Rings himself.” [UNABLE TO FIND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THIS LONG-RUMORED SCENE WAS SCRIPTED/FILMED.] -Warg Attack after one of the Rohan soldiers are Bitten / Eaten Legolass runs in and slices an Orcs throat whom was riding the Warg note cut to Black… Censored scene. The soldier bitten by the Warg there is a still of his bloody body on the grass. Poor Cgi bad cutting and perhaps cropping. -“You gave away your life’s grace. I cannot protect you anymore.” Elrond to Arwen The balcony scene was meant to mirror the Bridge upon which Arwen and Aragorn met. It seems the voice over dialogue Arwen says whilst hugging Fodo on the Ford is meant for Aragorn when he goes over the cliff and loses the Evenstar. When Arwen departs Middle Earth she does so when Eowyn asks "where is she" and Aragorn says "She is riding to the undying lands" " -Additional Faramir material: -Madril says “Since the loss of Boromir he does the duty of two sons… -for himself …and the one who will not return.“ [TTT Visual Companion] -Faramir catches a glimpse of Frodo as a ruined Gollum-like creature in the caves of Henneth Annun [SEE Documentary] or Galadriels monologue an alternate reality? -Arwen’s Choice: -Elrond: “The Alliance of Elves and Men is over.” [TTT Trailer} totally different approach where Gladriel seems to be the influencer which makes little sense -Arwen at Helm’s Deep [SEE DVD commentary] -The Council of Elves: -Arwen travels with Elrond to Lothlorien -Galadriel: “The Rings of the Elf Lords were not made as weapons of war or conquest. They cannot come to the aid of Men.”[TTT Photoguide] -Celeborn: “We have seen too many defeats, too many fruitless victories, to trust again to the strength of men.”[TTT Visual Companion] -Elrond: “If we do not trust to the strength of men then we trust to the victory of Sauron.” [DVD Preview] It seems Galadriels monologue and Elrond at the Window is constructed from this removing Elronds presence. This makes Sense... -Arwen stays in Lorien Elrond departs - As Haldir is overcome by Uruks there is extra shots of Aragon fighting his way up the stairs to try and save him on top of the wall before he is slain. - Eowyn battles Uruks that break into the caverns of Helm’s Deep [DVD Preview, SEE Commentary] Interestingly Legolass and Gimli do not ride out on horse back with Aragorn and Theoden. Arwen is seen in a shot briefly after Eomer attacks an orc but it is a mistake not meant to be shown.. -Cleansing of Isengard: -Treebeard: “There is a wizard to manage here… locked in his tower!” [TTT Photoguide] Alternate -Additional fighting maneuvers made by Ents. [Magazine Interview] seen in pre-viz animatic {EE Documentary) -Frodo’s Seduction: -More fisticuffs between Frodo and Sam [Elijah Wood interview] -The “Fallen Angel” shot of Frodo from the TTT Trailer. Scenes/Ideas that could possible be used:-The Balrog climbs out of the subterranean pool, like an oily, greasy, charcoal-like torch dipped in water. Then a pursuit up the Endless Stair. (The illustrations on the TTT:EE DVD). Return of The King -A line of dialogue during the death of Saruman, in which he reveals that Wormtongue poisoned Théodred, giving further context as to why Wormtongue kills Saruman and Legolas in turn kills Wormtongue. -Arwen in Lothlorien looks into Galadriels Mirror and sees a possible future of a child the shards of Narsil and something of the paths of the dead which she does not understand assuming Galdriel gives her some clues where to look. -Arwen in Rivendell library researching the Paths of the Dead -Wormtoungue feeding Saruman… Mortar and pestle Aragorn uses a flint to light the torch into the paths of the dead alternate to slapstick gimli bone cruncher posdibly. It seems there was a more serious tone to this scene with shots of skulls and skeletons also (similar to KOng when they get to the Native village on the coast) the entrance door had further shots the re-shoots seem to add the 1000’s skulls spilling out (Good) but also comedy and poor tonal adjustment (Bad) -Aragorn helps heal Faramir in the Gondor House of healing. -Sam using the Light of Eärendil to pass the Watchers at Cirith Ungol… Or there was a shot of them simply looking imposing perhaps with red eyes. -Extra Mummakil battle foitage a sequence was removed apparently about 30 seconds in length and features an Oliphant crashing into the city wall of Minas Tirith. -Aragorn having his armour fitted during the preparations for the Battle of the Black Gate. This was the final scene filmed during principal photography.[17] -Sauron fighting Aragorn at the Black Gate. A computer-generated Troll was placed over Sauron due to Jackson feeling the scene was inappropriate. Sauron is also seen in a beautiful form as Annatar, Giver of Gifts.[17] -Extra fighting at the Black Gate Merry being wounded during the final battle which was moved to pelanor fields. Intersting shot of Legolas aiming his Bow at something I would assume Sauron to save Aragorn? Gimli Blocks an Orc attacking him. -The wedding of Faramir and Eowyn Hope this helps. This was posted by Ronster on TheOneRIng boards. Gives a good indication of how much deleted footage exists! KK, Holko, Nick1Ø66 and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 There must be a solid hour of deleted or extended scenes for each film! I really hope it turns up in the next box set. I could do without much extra footage from the Hobbit films except an extended ending for BOTFA, which is far too rushed. They didn't even show a return to the troll cave to collect their buried treasure (as established in AUJ), despite Bilbo having the chest in the final scenes! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Wow! I'm glad most of these aren't in either version, but I'd LOVE to see them all! Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Holko said: Wow! I'm glad most of these aren't in either version, but I'd LOVE to see them all! Yeah, same. I think we got the best versions of the films already but the extra stuff would still be cool to see. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 But barely any of that is deleted scenes, it's mostly deleted lines, alternate sequences, alternate lines, or even unused shots... They're not just going to dump all the rushes on a disc, there is no way the vast majority of these things would ever be seen, because they were never meant to be. I think that list would be wayyyyyyy shorter if it were talking about things likely to be released. Even stuff people are excited about, like Gil-galad vs Sauron, was probably only going to be 3 shots and 3 seconds long, or similar.. (But yes, it would be very cool) Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Because these are only the things confirmed or semi-confirmed to have been shot. It's even missing things like the epilogue of Legolas and Gimli briefly shown in the Appendices when PJ talks about wanting to release deleted stuff. Who knows what entire sequences were shot but dropped before they could make it into calendars and teasers? Or how long the scenes actually were? Nick1Ø66 and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 I've been looking at the 1080p blu-rays of these films again, and bar the unfortunate green tint of the first film, I think I prefer the look of these over the samples of the 4K remaster I've seen. I was watching Forth Eorlingas again (in TTT), and the film grain just makes the whole thing feel more authentic and alive to my eye, and that's just one highlight. But more importantly (to me), I think the digital effects simply hold up better at 1920x1080 than they do at 3840x2160. In 4K, the vast armies look like little toy figures, with their own little high fidelity path finding and physics routines - thus making those originally amazing shots much less convincing and more unnatural now than they were previously. In the older blu-rays though, the lower (though still very fine resolution) helps considerably to mask the flaws in the aged 'Massive' software that powered, quite spectacularly, the battle sequences in the trilogy. In 1080p, the CG seams are lost in the melee much more than what is perceptible in the uncannily sharp clarity provided by 4k, and for me this is a signifiant downside which works against these films as timeless cinematic epics. I'll probably not purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 The 4K shouldn't technically make the effects hold-up any worse, because those shots are the same - just upscaled to 4K. If they rescanned the live-action elements in 4K and then re-added the same 2K effects, then this would have been a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Eh, watch those same scenes in 480p and the armies probably look real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Chen G. said: The 4K shouldn't technically make the effects hold-up any worse, because those shots are the same - just upscaled to 4K. If they rescanned the live-action elements in 4K and then re-added the same 2K effects, then this would have been a concern. But if there’s been edge enhancement on the upscale, it can result in things standing out which didn’t before. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 So I was gifted this for Christmas. But I don't have a 4K TV, so there's no way to really play it. Will invest in one eventually. So more waiting for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Just now, KK said: So I was gifted this for Christmas. But I don't have a 4K TV, so there's no way to really play it. Will invest in one eventually. So more waiting for me! You can play it on a 2K TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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