Chen G. 3,903 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 Yeah, it was weird for me, too. But then, the title of the movie is The Return of the King (which Tolkien himself objected to on this very ground, of course) so all in all its probably not a huge issue. Still kinda odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,714 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 Not gonna lie, except for TBOTFA, I like these individual covers. Doesn't really matter to me though, I've already got my 4K digital copies for LOTR and that's enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 It does make me wonder if we ever really will get a truly "Ultimate" edition. I never thought this would be it, but Jackson has hinted at a kind of Ultimate set over the years. This would not just include deleted scenes as part of the extras, but adding some back into the films themselves. There have also been hints of sticking Martin Freeman in the LOTR prologue, updating the FOTR Gollum, updating the SFX, and re-editing all the films altogether to play more like one long saga (as opposed to two separate but connected trilogies). All of which I'd be fine with as long as the original versions were made available as well (and Jackson said they would be). So if fans are disappointed with this release, it's understandable if they had higher expectations based on the bar PJ set. I just think Jackson in some ways has moved on, and he's more of a documentary filmmaker than anything now, and I understand if he's more comfortable in the editing suite than managing a massive blockbuster film production. That said, I do believe eventually he'll want to get back to Middle-earth and put this set out, it's his legacy after all and LOTR will be in the first line of his obit. The question is will physical media still be a viable product by the time he gets around to it? And if not, I can certainly see a streaming service wanting something like this, ala the Synder Cut, to bring in subscribers. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Jackson has hinted at a kind of Ultimate set over the years. Most of those remarks were made more in jest, I think; which is not to contradict your point: people joke about their real intentions all the time, and the fact that it is such a recurring joke (especially in the audio commentaries) would suggest its something he did have on his mind. In a way, I really appreciate that he's let the franchise go: its much healither for an artist; less backwards-looking. 10 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: All of which I'd be fine with as long as the original versions were made available as well (and Jackson said they would be). They already are available: whatever Jackson chooses to do, the fact of the matter is we already have the films, unchaged, both in 1080p and 4K... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, Chen G. said: They already are available: whatever Jackson chooses to do, the fact of the matter is we already have the films, unchaged, both in 1080p and 4K... Right. I'm saying, going forward, if there's a new format, or a new colour grade, a new transfer, less obvious DNR, better compression, more sophisticated AI upscaling, immersive virtual reality edition, whatever, I'd like to see the original edits of the film given the same care and attention as any "special edition". There could be many advances in technology that will improve the home video experience we aren't even aware of. It's easy to say "I'm fine with the 4K's we have", but just remember a lot of people feel that way about DVD. I mean, the original versions of Star Wars are available in VHS, but what good does that do anyone today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 7,939 Posted September 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2021 18 hours ago, Jay said: Hehe These are odd choices at times It's odd they didn't feature Arkenstone at all. It would work perfectly for BOTFA. Karol Chen G., Smaug The Iron and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted September 3, 2021 Share Posted September 3, 2021 IIRC Those comments about an ultimate edition have usually been for a 25th anniversary edition, so I am not too fussed yet Nick1Ø66 and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 YouTube video for another version that doesn't come with a pendant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 So just me buying it then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Probably me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I woulda been tempted to upgrade if the new features were more interesting to me, or if this were a comprehensive release otherwise (all old features on disc), but as it has neither, I’ll stick to my Blu-Ray sets and digital copies for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I'll buy a nice 4K BD set one day if it comprehensively includes all bonus features that have ever been released on all prior editions - and if I get a 4K player (or a PS5) Until then, I'll stream the remasters when they show up on one of the services somewhere or just stick to my current 1080p blu rays I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Why do people want the old special features when they already have them? Is it to get rid of the old sets? I have loads of copies of the Appendices so it wouldn’t bother me if they never re-released them in a big set. Imagine the price of this set if it included all those extra discs? You’re talking 6 BluRays for the 3 Hobbits, 3 for the LotR, and maybe an extra one or two for the CB docs. That’s 44 discs straight away. Plus people would still want more new bonus features. I’d say the chances are slim given the date of physical media. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Well, in my case, I'd want a single 4K disc that contains all the old features on that one disc, not a reprinting of each disc as they already are. IE, if you think of each old DVD bonus disc as being 8gb each, that's only 24gb per film. Even standard BD discs hold 25GB per layer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 I think there’s a significant chance that this is the last time these films get a new release in physical media. I could be wrong but I’d be surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 8 hours ago, His Royal Noelness said: So just me buying it then? Have you ever said no to any LOTR merch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Have you ever said no to any LOTR merch? Oh God yes. This is my first time buying these films since the original BluRay boxset came out in like 2011 or whenever. Outside of books I don’t think I have much LotR merch actually. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,612 Posted September 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 16, 2021 Same here, just the Blu-rays, the books, and my inflatable Tauriel. Bilbo, Jay and Monoverantus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I'll probably buy it eventually as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Monoverantus 359 Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 17, 2021 13 hours ago, mstrox said: Same here, just the Blu-rays, the books, and my inflatable Tauriel. I used to have an inflatable Saruman, but accidentally pricked it. Do you have any idea what kind of noise happens when a life-size blow-up doll is deflated? Because I do. Bofur01, Bilbo and Nick1Ø66 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laserschwert 472 Posted September 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2021 A few years ago I built my own slipcases for both trilogies, and until some REALLY ultimate edition comes out, these will continue to do nicely on the shelf. I'll just have to swap-out the movie discs for the UHD-ones (I got the barebones sets). A little bit of a "making of", if you're interested how these were built: https://imgur.com/a/brfa4 Holko, Barnald, mstrox and 4 others 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 This shipped today. Part of me wants to leave it for Xmas but I also want to rewatch the theatrical Fellowship for its 20th anniversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2021 Think I’m going to watch the Cannes reel tonight 😬 Jay, Chen G. and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 22/10/2021 at 5:54 PM, His Royal Noelness said: This shipped today. Part of me wants to leave it for Xmas but I also want to rewatch the theatrical Fellowship for its 20th anniversary. 4 hours ago, His Royal Noelness said: Think I’m going to watch the Cannes reel tonight 😬 I thought the release date of the fancy new box was November 16th? How do you have it already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 52 minutes ago, Jay said: I thought the release date of the fancy new box was November 16th? How do you have it already? Released in this part of the world on Monday. Don’t know why it’s later for the US but U.K. and Ireland got it Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Huh, I had no idea. Wow, that's great! I hope somebody puts the Cannes presentation online somewhere for us Americans to preview before the 16th... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I have no way of ripping it I’m afraid but I’m sure someone will do it at some point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 point your smartphone at your telly when you watch it and stream it on Twitch :p Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 You laugh, but I'd literally watch along with you if you did that It's crazy to me this set is already out in the UK, and there's like no discussion of it online anywhere. I found exactly one thread on reddit from someone who has it, and they don't even mention the Cannes reel https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/qg35uy/the_bluray_discs_in_the_middle_earth_ultimate/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Jay said: You laugh, but I'd literally watch along with you if you did that It's crazy to me this set is already out in the UK, and there's like no discussion of it online anywhere. I found exactly one thread on reddit from someone who has it, and they don't even mention the Cannes reel https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/qg35uy/the_bluray_discs_in_the_middle_earth_ultimate/ Yes, I found no details online at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I guess since WB already launched the 4K editions last year and the new bonus features in this box are mostly a dud is the cause of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 That’s probably it. There’s be more hype if the transfers were new but it’s just a rerelease of a 12 month old set with fancier packaging and an extra disc of features. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2021 PJ and Gandalf on cart introduce the footage. PJ is in Frodo’s spot and they’re using forced perspective. Man it’s weird seeing some of these scenes with temp score/no score Flaming Red Hair is here. Shazam doesn’t recognise the temp score. I wonder did Plan 9 do the temp? Small bit of unreleased dialogue in places ”the ruling ring” - Saruman couple of shots of orcs that might be deleted Last Alliance or Moria Goblin footage The music from the trailer is in there too “9 companions to match the 9 ringwraiths.” - Elrond Some gladiator score. The shot where you see each member individually walking toward camera on the mountain “We don’t go over the mountain, we go under it” - Gandalf Now the Moria sequence. Starts in Dwarrowdelf ”it is a marvel!” - Gimli seeing Dwarrowdelf Dwarrowdelf and Ballin‘s Tomb music sounds as is in the theatrical. So long since I’ve seen the theatrical though. Is Sam’s “I think I’m getting the hang of this in the theatrical?” It’s present here anyway. I don’t want to say the cut is “exactly the same” but it feels pretty close. Might be some seconds shaved in places. “I think there’s more to this Hobbit than meets the eye.” Is Hobbit in the film? I always thought he said outfit. Gandalf shouting “come on” repeatedly as they race to the bridge is certainly more noticeable. I want to say the music is louder in the actual film. You can hear a lot of dialogue that’s buried normally. Just shouts and calls and stuff. It ends with the confrontation on the bridge but this is very short. “You shall not pass” ends it. trilogy sizzle reel. Mostly films two and three. . Frodo “the ring will not save Gondor, it has only the power to destroy. it turns everything to evil.” Faramir “No” ”Frodo “listen, even now it calls to you” (might not be verbatim” Frodo in Mount Doom:”I will not destroy it. The Ring is mine.” Logo it’s about 26 minutes in total. Moria sequence is about half that. Holko, blondheim, Jay and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Awesome, thanks for the report! So is the NZSO "The Breaking of the Fellowship" not in the Cannes preview? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Nope. That’s not there at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Aw, drat. I thought for some reason it would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2021 Aragon on his way to Helms Deep on horseback on the hill Gandalf and Trio walking through Fangorn Aftermath of the Fords of Isen. It isn’t raining. Someone shouts no!! Aragorn in the tent in Dunharrow Eowyn smiling at Theoden and Aragorn on the way to Helm’s Deep Fellowship leaving Rivendell Helm’s Deep Battlements Uruk Hai raising marching at HD Elves firing at HD Theoden at Helm’s Deep. Looks worried. Might be a deleted shot. Might be reacting to the Uruk’s breaking through Osgiliath Siege of Gondor night time Arwen riding chased by Wraiths Eowyn at Edoras, camera moving away Eowyn and Aragorn in the caves hugging. Is that in the film? I think Sam’s speech might play over it Three hunters running, helicopter shot Faramir returning to Minas Tirith early in RotK Three hunters running at dawn Marshal at Dunharrow Gandald riding to Minas Tirith with Pippin Siege of Gondor catapults with fireballs Caradras Arwen looking drained on the couch Frodo and Sam walking through a dark forest. At night. Looks to be Two Towers. But not sure where it’s from. Refugees leaving Edoras. Mountains behind, lake in front. Elves arriving at HD Extras running at the black gate. (Gandalf in there too actually). Looks very unfinished compared to the final movie. Arrival at Edoras Old Theoden Gandalf the White reveal in Fangorn Aragorn opening both doors in HD as dramatically as possible Where is the horse and the rider “first bit of dialogue” Elrond unveiling Anduril Aragorn fighting Uruk at HD The charge out the causeway at HD Sam fighting his way through Cirith Ungol gaffer line included Elrond hugging Arwen who is drained on the couch Faramir’s men leaving MT Frodo telling Faramir the ring is bad from my post above Riders of Rohan at Pelenor Orcs marching through Mordor. Think this wa sun trailers but not in the film. Grima being thrown out of Edoras Denethor’s pyre about to be lit. Sam and Frodo on the slopes of MD. I can carry you. Footage isn’t as polished at final film Crack of doom Jay, KK and Holko 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said: “9 companions to match the 9 ringwraiths.” - Elrond I remember seeing this in the EE documentaries, and thinking it was weird it was muted in the film, because the shot still lingers long enough where it would have fit in. Must have been muted at the very last minute 21 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said: Dwarrowdelf and Ballin‘s Tomb music sounds as is in the theatrical. So long since I’ve seen the theatrical though. Is Sam’s “I think I’m getting the hang of this in the theatrical?” It is. The only bit restored for the EE that wasn't in the TC was when the troll is hunting Sam and Boromir and Aragorn save him, then an orc is about to kill Boromir before Aragorn saves him 21 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said: “I think there’s more to this Hobbit than meets the eye.” Is Hobbit in the film? I always thought he said outfit. It's always been "hobbit" and not "outfit"! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jay said: Aw, drat. I thought for some reason it would be I thought it was too for some reason but today I read a report from the time and there was no mention of the breaking. do we know why it was even record with the NZSO? @Doug Adamshave you answered this before? If so, apologies for asking! Just now, Jay said: It's always been "hobbit" and not "outfit"! Weird, I’ve always heard outfit before! The dialogue seems a lot clearer here. 1 minute ago, Jay said: It is. The only bit restored for the EE that wasn't in the TC was when the troll is hunting Sam and Boromir and Aragorn save him, then an orc is about to kill Boromir before Aragorn saves him I believe that’s missing here too. It must be the locked theatrical cut. I really need to rewatch the TE! Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,304 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 That sounds like one helluva preview!! Imagine sitting in that Cannes audience and getting to see all that for the first time...insane... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 9 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said: I thought it was too for some reason but today I read a report from the time and there was no mention of the breaking. do we know why it was even record with the NZSO? The only thing the Annotated Score PDF says is that it was recorded "at the same time" I thought I remember reading somewhere once it was was recorded for the preview, but maybe it was a different preview? Hmm. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 1 minute ago, KK said: That sounds like one helluva preview!! Imagine sitting in that Cannes audience and getting to see all that for the first time...insane... Absolutely! I can totally see why it generated the hype that it did. It was worth the wait I have to say. Waiting 20 years to see it! 1 minute ago, Jay said: I need a re-read of all of Doug’s stuff. The original version of that scene with the NZSO Breaking Of music would have been nice in this set. I do wonder why they recorded that at the same time though. Was it just because the music was written and they had the time booked or did they intend to show that footage at some point 🤔 Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said: I believe that’s missing here too. It must be the locked theatrical cut. I really need to rewatch the TE! I was thinking about watching the theatrical cuts this winter. It's been a while Oh, and we have a 4K tv, and I haven't seen the new 4k remasters yet 15 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said: I do wonder why they recorded that at the same time though. Was it just because the music was written and they had the time booked or did they intend to show that footage at some point 🤔 That sounds familiar actually, that perhaps it was originally going to be shown at the same preview then they changed their mind? Or they thought they'd have two previews and the other one never happened? Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, Jay said: was thinking about watching the theatrical cuts this winter. It's been a while I’m definitely going to watch Fellowship for the 20th anniversary. I don’t think I’ve seen the TE since the original BluRays came out. I saw TT and RotK with the orchestra but that’s nearly 10 years ago now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 18 hours ago, His Royal Noelness said: I wonder did Plan 9 do the temp? They did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, Chen G. said: They did. That’s why it doesn’t appear in Shazam so. It isn’t particularly good, interesting, or memorable. It’s the most boring part musically anyway. Plan 9 Gothic Power Music from Gladiator Shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,903 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I'm still curious to hear some of the non-Shore pieces that are out there: there's another diegetic Hobbit sound they had composed and performed, there's another composition of Viggo's as a replacement for Arwen's Song, etc... Just because its not composed by Shore doesn't mean its not part of the musical fabric of the Middle Earth films! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 38 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Just because its not composed by Shore doesn't mean its not part of the musical fabric of Middle Earth! -Leonard Rosenman Jay and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: 55 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Just because its not composed by Shore doesn't mean its not part of the musical fabric of Middle Earth! -Johan de Meij Chen G. and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 13 hours ago, Chen G. said: Just because its not composed by Shore doesn't mean its not part of the musical fabric of the Middle Earth films! Don’t think anyone has said otherwise. The Plan 9 music in the reel is pretty bland though. It’s cool to hear it but my life would not feel incomplete if I never heard it. In all honesty it sounds like generic Library music that could have been written for anything. It fits less well than the music from gladiator actually. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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