leeallen01 2,136 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I've noticed one or two over the years, but Zimmer seems to do it more than I thought. There's the major obvious one here Then Zimmer just slowed it down a couple of years later - And then I've noticed that the love theme from Pirates 3 at 8:55 - 9:20 - Is clearly influenced in overall sound, style and even melody coming out of the crescendo of Arnold's love theme at 2:42 - 3:15. Which is of course the melody of Arnold song for the film called 'Surrender.' - And Zimmer must have loved Tomorrow Never Dies because he used another of Arnold's love themes from that film here at 1:02 - In Pearl Harbor... 1:29 - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Thank you for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The first two don't sound very similar to me SteveMc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: The first two don't sound very similar to me The Inception one is blatant, but the love theme he used in Pirates is less so. But clearly is influenced heavily. I find it interesting that Zimmer does get praised an awful lot for being the leader of a new wave of sound by reinventing himself, yet Arnold established the sound consistently a couple of years before Zimmer, and then Zimmer uses it and is declared the leader behind the movement. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 It really isn't blatant. Vaguely similar melodic shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 If anything, "Old Souls" is a Vangelis tribute. Has nothing to do with Arnold. In fact, I can't say I've ever heard any Arnold influences in Zimmer's music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: The Inception one is blatant, but the love theme he used in Pirates is less so. But clearly is influenced heavily. I find it interesting that Zimmer does get praised an awful lot for being the leader of a new wave of sound by reinventing himself, yet Arnold established the sound consistently a couple of years before Zimmer, and then Zimmer uses it and is declared the leader behind the movement. Don Davis and John Powell got more praise for their mixing of techno and orchestral that Arnold ever did, even though he did it before them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Don Davis and John Powell got more praise for their mixing of techno and orchestral that Arnold ever did, even though he did it before them. Indeed. Also Arnold used acoustic guitar in action movies and then Zimmer started using it and it became a cliche of the 90's. This is the exact style that Don Davis used 2 years later for his Matrix scores. Arnold really doesn't get the credit he deserves for paving the way with style and execution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Arnold is one of the most underrated composers in Hollywood (to the point where he doesn't seem to be working in Hollywood at all anymore). He was brushed off as a Williams-wannabe after Stargate and ID4 but his sound developed incredibly throughout his run as the Bond composer, with Casino Royale probably his best score ever. I'm eagerly anticipating his return to the big time, he deserves it. leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 Yeah Arnold's great. I'm just not on board for the narrative put forth in this thread. Chen G., Koray Savas and Dixon Hill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I still don't get the Williams comparisons other than he created some memorable themes. Otherwise he sounded like a James Horner/John Barry hybrid in the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Cherry Pie That'll Kill Ya said: I still don't get the Williams comparisons other than he created some memorable themes. Otherwise he sounded like a James Horner/John Barry hybrid in the 90s. Probably all the heavy militaristic Americana in ID4. That's definitely a 70's-80's Williams staple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Stupid clickbait thread title is stupid. Composers have lifted from each other since the beginning of music. Only the dumb remain interested in it as a point of discussion. I should think with the origin of many of JW's most beloved themes so easily uncovered, JWFan would see the insignificance of such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, TGP said: Stupid clickbait thread title is stupid. Composers have lifted from each other since the beginning of music. Only the dumb remain interested in it as a point of discussion. I should think with the origin of many of JW's most beloved themes so easily uncovered, JWFan would see the insignificance of such things. You know it's true, how nice! fommes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 What's true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, TGP said: Stupid clickbait thread title is stupid. I'm pretty sure these threads are TGPbait. Bilbo and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 LeeAllen should start making Youtube videos with titles like "HANS ZIMMER IS A THIEF CONFIRMED" leeallen01 and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Nick Parker said: I'm pretty sure these threads are TGPbait. Its more likely some bizarre film music fan analog of comparing penis dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 The first one is the only noteworthy comparison. And that kind of stuff is all somewhat derived from the Bourne scores anyways (which Inception draws a fair bit from). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: LeeAllen should start making Youtube videos with titles like "HANS ZIMMER IS A THIEF CONFIRMED" The Internet was outraged then LeeAllen called Zimmer a plagiarist, but when people heard the evidence, they couldn't believe it! Next Page For More! Will, Bilbo, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 David Arnold ripped off the first example from Syriana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 1 hour ago, TGP said: Its more likely some bizarre film music fan analog of comparing penis dimension. Not just limited to film music, though, yeah? It's something that seems very common in the orchestral world generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 13 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Not just limited to film music, though, yeah? It's something that seems very common in the orchestral world generally. Aping musical ideas and turning them into something new? Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, TGP said: Aping musical ideas and turning them into something new? Of course. Moreso the penis contest, I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 See the life and times of Pierre Boulez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Moreso the penis contest, I mean. 2 minutes ago, TGP said: See the life and times of Pierre Boulez. Dixon Hill and Unlucky Bastard 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I thought JWFan was better than clickbait thread titles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 I blame the moderatorship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 31 minutes ago, Jay said: I thought JWFan was better than clickbait thread titles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Broken image link @Cerebral Cortex EDIT: Nevermind it's there now Also Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Don't let this distract you from that one time when Johnny copied Hans: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 He's done it several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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