Jay 37,363 Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 But Schindler's Workforce (The Money Exchange) opens with a nice presentation of the Main Theme, anyway, so it has the same effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 "Placing The Stones" is not a typical score cue. Williams was not scoring onscreen action with this part of the movie, he was scoring a montage where he had an opportunity to put a big concert arrangement-style version of the Main Theme there that didn't need to adhere to specific onscreen visuals. Rarely is there an opportunity to do something like this outside of a Main or End Title credit sequence. And Williams will typically open his albums with a rendition of theme either in the form of a big Main Title statement or as a concert arrangement. So I would bet that Williams intended/knew that "Placing The Stones" would be equivalent to the Main Theme concert arrangement. A lot of the shocking imagery and brutality that is in the movie is not represented in a listening experience of the score because Williams and Spielberg left a lot of that unscored. So, hearing the Main Theme at that point in the movie makes sense given the three hours of visuals that preceded it. But hearing it at the end of a straight musical listening experience wouldn't work for me because the music itself never gets as harsh as the imagery in the movie does. The music is not horrific, it is in reaction to the horror. (Didn't Spielberg say something like in the liner notes?) So, I like the OST presentation of bookending it with the two different versions of the theme. Opening with the beautiful full statement of the theme and closing with a somber and reflective version. SteveMc and Incanus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 I can't argue with any of that @MrScratch - well said! MrScratch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 I read somewhere that the music in Schindler's List was less of a traditional film score and more like the chorus in Greek drama. We hear John commenting on the action, or rather, what is behind the action, in a musical language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share Posted August 30, 2018 To be clear, I don't think Williams made a poor assembly decision when creating his OST program - it makes perfect sense to open it with that cue, and is VERY typical of how he crafts his OST albums. It's really just my own personal preference to only hear it at the end, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me or anything. Bryant Burnette and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 No! We must all declare our allegiances! The Jasonites and the Thorians will forever be at war! Bilbo and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted August 30, 2018 Share Posted August 30, 2018 12 hours ago, TownerFan said: Speaking of puzzling credit, I just saw that the OST booklet says that the score was recorded both in Symphony Hall Boston and at Sony Pictures Scoring Stage in Culver City, LA. I assumed the whole score was recorded in Boston (and choir in Toronto), but I didn't know about parts being recorded in LA. The LA tracks will of course sound oddly distorted on the 2CD release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 SL for me works as the first Williams/Spielberg collaboration where the music isn't exactly part of the narration, a character, like it was in all of their previous collaborations. It's more like the music is "detached" from the film, a separate entity. So I sort of understand how difficult it can be to assemble an album or an expanded C&C of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: The LA tracks will of course sound oddly distorted on the 2CD release. To be "fixed" by "newly discovered sources" in time for the 30th! JWFan: Eh, I don't know if I would want to double dip on this. Cool for those who missed out on the 25th anniversary release. *Becomes available to order on lalaland.com* JWFan: Ordered! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 From what I have seen, most JWfan members who are not interested in a release rarely change their mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Falafel said: From what I have seen, most JWfan members who are not interested in a release rarely change their mind. You must've stayed away from the Saving Private Ryan release thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 There is a difference between "not interested" vs. "unsure" For example Wojism seems to stick to his guns on only buying things that are actual grails for him, and skipping things he has little to no interest in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Falafel said: For example Wojism seems to stick to his guns on only buying things that are actual grails for him, and skipping things he has little to no interest in. Because he's a true JWFan rebel, a legend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Nick Parker said: Because he's a true JWFan rebel, a legend! The rest of us are all sell-outs who will buy everything and all with John Williams stamped on it! And we are proud of it! Such scoundrels and scamps! Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 hours ago, Falafel said: For example Wojism seems to stick to his guns on only buying things that are actual grails for him, and skipping things he has little to no interest in. I don't see why anyone would buy something they have no interest in. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I don't see why anyone would buy something they have no interest in. Full impulse power. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Some people seem to buy stuff to "support the label". Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 We support Mike Matessino, he's one of the top (if not the top) of the sound engineers of it's generation and he's a true great artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I've always supported the specialty labels... morally. bollemanneke and Taikomochi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I pray for them on a semi-regular basis. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 51 minutes ago, Bespin said: We support Mike Matessino, he's one of the top (if not the top) of the sound engineers of it's generation and he's a true great artist. And because of that you would buy something you have no interest in? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 31, 2018 To avoid this release would be anti-Semitic. Holko, Jurassic Shark and bollemanneke 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 You're like JWFan's Wormtongue! Your words are poison! Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Stefancos said: And because of that you would buy something you have no interest in? You don't have too. But, talking about me, it's my pleasure to "encourage" artists that have to be encouraged, you know the "top of the top". There are so much mediocrity in our world, and in the musical domain too. Give a little "thumps up" by buying quality produced albums is my way to say "Thanks"... it's my way to create a better world, finally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 We need this music now more than ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 The specialty labels are known for torturing fans psychologically who don't buy all their releases. They manage keep those people hostages in the darkest and stinkiest places of theiir minds, with depravation of reason and moral starvation. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bespin said: You don't have too. But, talking about me, it's my pleasure to "encourage" artists that have to be encouraged, you know the "top of the top". There are so much mediocrity in our world, and in the musical domain too. Give a little "thumps up" by buying quality produced albums is my way to say "Thanks"... to create a better world, finally. It's not like JW's a poor musician that needs encouragement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's not like JW's a poor musician that needs encouragement. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's not like JW's a poor musician that needs encouragement. We need encouragement... and money.... at every age! Shall you live long enough to understand that! (you know, by "encouraging" artists, I meant to encourage Mike Matessino, he's a leader, he's a king, he's a God, what else?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I met Mike. He's a very nice man and was gracious with his time. I didnt think he was a God though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Not physically for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bespin said: It's not like MM's a poor producer that needs encouragement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @Jurassic Shark Never misquote me. Remove that now. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bespin said: @Jurassic Shark Misquote me all you like. Keep it up. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Aren't we all feeling punchy today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 I don't find that funny at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 16 minutes ago, Bespin said: @Jurassic Shark Never quote me. Remove that now. Well you said it! Why shouldnt he quote you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Actually, I meant to quote myself! But because of a bug in the system it was attributed to Bespin. You're welcome, Bes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 When do we fear MM will retire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 The guys responsible for The Mummy and The Mummy Returns will get every job then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: Some people seem to buy stuff to "support the label". Exactly! The rationalizations people generate after they realize they've been pulled along the scarcity mentality like a kid in a whirlpool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 38 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Exactly! The rationalizations people generate after they realize they've been pulled along the scarcity mentality like a kid in a whirlpool! There's not a single John Williams expansion I regret buying. - Disco Stu, a guy who doesn't own the LLL Hook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Disco Stu, a guy who doesn't own the LLL Hook A man of my own heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Don't get me wrong I have the LLL Hook, I just don't own it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Bootlegger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Thief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 No one owns Hook, just Sony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 On 8/31/2018 at 9:23 AM, bollemanneke said: When do we fear MM will retire? hopefully after all the HP,Indy amd Star Wars scores are done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I, or my shelf, will own Hook if it is done properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Your shelf pay rent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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