A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 12 hours ago, Thor said: I think someone should rename the title of this thread now that the album is out. I agree. I'd never noticed this thread til today and opened it thinking there was a kickstarter I should join. Turns out there was just an album I had to buy. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ricsim88 244 Posted May 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2019 I’m sure some of you have seen this. Really cool stuff. Ricard, crlbrg, SteveMc and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted May 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2019 That's me!! (not that you would know...) Amer, crumbs, Miguel Andrade and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 *X-Files Theme plays* _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Standing very close to John Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted May 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Stefancos said: Standing very close to John Williams! Hooten was introducing the orchestra to those of us who were in attendance. The couples on either side of Williams were the largest donors to the project, while the three of us in the back, and a fourth gent not pictured, were the Kickstarter donors who contributed at a level that allowed us to attend the sessions. The dark-haired gent to my left, with his head down, is composer Daniel James Chan, who recently won an ASCAP award. SteveMc, Cerebral Cortex, Ricard and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 16 hours ago, thx99 said: the three of us in the back, and a fourth gent not pictured, were the Kickstarter donors who contributed at a level that allowed us to attend the sessions And why are they not on JWFan???? Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: And why are they not on JWFan???? We probably scared them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Very cool video. I'm no musician but what I wouldn't give to attend a John Williams scoring session for a day. How lucky some people are! (here's looking at you, JJ Abrams) Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: And why are they not on JWFan???? What, I’m not good enough for you all by my lonesome?!? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, thx99 said: What, I’m not good enough for you all by my lonesome?!? LOL The grass is always greener! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Disco Stu said: And why are they not on JWFan???? I believe Daniel used to be, at least, on an earlier incarnation of the boards. I recall corresponding with him over a decade ago and I'm pretty sure we started talking here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 JW looks tiny when holding that large score! Hooten looks even tinyer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1-2 months?! Figures when I was about to order this as well as a couple others on Amazon. Oh well, it will be a nice surprise when it shows up in Jan-Feb time-frame when I forgot all about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 This section of the slow movement sounded *so* much like something from a Williams film score, it was driving me NUTS trying to place the connection. I *think* @Holko figured out that I was being reminded of the "Meeting ET" cue from ET. If anyone has any other ideas for what this section sounds like, please chime in! In the concerto, 2:48 - 3:00 below: Compared to ET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Reminds me of something in A.I. Artificial Intelligence Disco Stu and thx99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Reminds me of something in A.I. Artificial Intelligence Yeah I was instantly searching my memory of AI or Minority Report. That darker early-2000s Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 It sounds like a sinister cousin of the start of his tuba concerto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 The section you mention does send me directly to the ET one. But as Jay pointed out, it also makes me think of AI, but I can pinpoint from where... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted July 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2020 Getting to see Williams conduct that 2nd movement was truly one of the highlights of attending the sessions! My appreciation of it grew immensely, and it’s now cemented as my favorite of the three. Unlike the 1st and 3rd movements, no click track was used, and the whole vibe of the room changed completely when Williams began conducting it. Everyone was able to relax, and the playing was just so fluid and natural. Hooten brought such heart and emotion to it. I couldn’t help but get caught up in it. When Hooten asked what my favorite part of the day was, I didn’t hesitate with my answer: the 2nd movement. https://www.dropbox.com/s/72lvh3d383mxrqh/IMG_1345.mp4?dl=0 crumbs, SteveMc, Incanus and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 That's easily my favorite as well @thx99. It makes me think a lot about another favorite piece of mine, Copland's Quiet City. thx99 and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 @Miguel Andrade, I think that‘s a very apt comparison. And one I hadn’t originally recognized. Now listening to the Williams-conducted version from Sony’s “Music For Stage and Screen”, with soloists Tim Morrison and Laurence Thorstenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 8 hours ago, Miguel Andrade said: That's easily my favorite as well @thx99. It makes me think a lot about another favorite piece of mine, Copland's Quiet City. The second movement, usually a slow one, is often the best in any of Williams' three movement concertos I find. Also in this one. E.g. I really fell in love with the second movement of Williams' tuba concerto after hearing it live some years back. Same goes for the oboe concerto where the Pastorale is easily my favourite movement of the piece. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted July 26, 2020 Author Share Posted July 26, 2020 10 hours ago, thx99 said: @Miguel Andrade, I think that‘s a very apt comparison. And one I hadn’t originally recognized. Now listening to the Williams-conducted version from Sony’s “Music For Stage and Screen”, with soloists Tim Morrison and Laurence Thorstenberg. Comparison wise, the whole structure of the Trumpet Concerto brings to my mind the Barber Violin Concerto. The first two movements are more lyrical, melodically driven, with strong woodwind accompaniment on the second movement. The third is maniacal fast, hyper virtuoso shorter movement. ChrisAfonso and thx99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted July 26, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Miguel Andrade said: The third is maniacal fast, hyper virtuoso shorter movement. Couldn't agree more, and I think Williams' body language at the end of this clip says it all... https://www.dropbox.com/s/nemzbk1cf5awk3w/IMG_1353.mp4?dl=0 Amer, Miguel Andrade, Madmartigan JC and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, thx99 said: Couldn't agree more, and I think Williams' body language at the end of this clip says it all... https://www.dropbox.com/s/nemzbk1cf5awk3w/IMG_1353.mp4?dl=0 Such a cool piece. I need to get on it and start practicing it. Something to work on until live performances start again. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 The theme in AI that most reminds me of the concerto section I highlighted above is probably the "Mecha Motif" (as named by Inky) heard prominently in the opening act of the film. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted May 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2022 I took the shrinkwrap off my physical copy last week and listened to the album for the first time. I forgot the entire album was only 27 minutes! I really liked it though! The Trumpet Concerto is one of the more accessible concertos of his, I think. The Born on the Fourth of July suite is really great! I read the liner notes the other night and they were nice as well. It was interesting to read about how Williams wanted to update the Concerto before recording it (and that a recording conducted by him had never been released before). Overall, a very nice album thx99, Raiders of the SoundtrArk and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted May 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2022 As dynamic as the 1st and 3rd movements are, the 2nd movement really stood out for me during the sessions. It was performed without a click track, unlike a majority of the other two movements, and as a result, it felt “natural”. Not sure how to describe it, but the playing, conducting, and overall mood just felt relaxed and comfortable, whereas the click track added a level of tension to the session. Williams commented numerous times about the “miserable” and “unmusical” click track. At one point he mentioned having trouble discerning between the click track and the wind ensemble “chatter”. When they moved onto BotFoJ, Williams conducted an orchestra-only run-through which was interesting to hear. Hooten was taking a short break after the 3rd movement. Miguel Andrade, Once and Andy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, thx99 said: As dynamic as the 1st and 3rd movements are, the 2nd movement really stood out for me during the sessions. It was performed without a click track, unlike a majority of the other two movements, and as a result, it felt “natural”. Not sure how to describe it, but the playing, conducting, and overall mood just felt relaxed and comfortable, whereas the click track added a level of tension to the session. Williams commented numerous times about the “miserable” and “unmusical” click track. At one point he mentioned having trouble discerning between the click track and the wind ensemble “chatter”. When they moved onto BotFoJ, Williams conducted an orchestra-only run-through which was interesting to hear. Hooten was taking a short break after the 3rd movement. Why did they use a click track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,123 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 This is on my list to buy. It's a long list, but I'm enjoying the journey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: Why did they use a click track? I think because they only had a very short time in the studio that one day. Might not have been possible to get through it all without using a click at least some. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 OK, that's what I suspected. Or perhaps JW is just so used to recording with a click track now. I wonder if JW sat up the click track himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Stu said: I think because they only had a very short time in the studio that one day. Might not have been possible to get through it all without using a click at least some. This!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 How does using a click-track speed up the recording process? I thought a click track was used to maintain a tempo that ensures you are hitting specific sync points for footage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jay said: How does using a click-track speed up the recording process? I thought a click track was used to maintain a tempo that ensures you are hitting specific sync points for footage It helps keep all the players of an orchestra together on a piece that they have not rehearsed together at all before the day of the recording. Basically it saves time by helping to make up for a lack of rehearsal. Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 OK that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 HanZ would have used a metronome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted May 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 13, 2022 Here's a video snippet from the sessions. End of the 3rd movement. Williams seen wearing headphones (I love what he did at the end). EDIT: Oh, and don't miss the monitor to the left of Shawn Murphy's head showing "punches and streamers". IMG_1353.mp4 Once, crlbrg, Amer and 3 others 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j39m 75 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, thx99 said: Williams seen wearing headphones (I love what he did at the end). I know this one! This is what young people call asserting dominance, right? I've been meaning to pick this album up for a while, because I wasn't sure if Slatkin had done this one in his concerto cycle. thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 25 minutes ago, j39m said: because I wasn't sure if Slatkin had done this one in his concerto cycle. It was recorded but decided the performance of the soloist (a fine trumpeter who clearly was under rehearsed) wasn't album release level quality. j39m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 50 minutes ago, j39m said: I know this one! This is what young people call asserting dominance, right? LOL!!! I didn’t know that! I was referring to the shoulder slump at the very end, as if it was an expression of the effort everyone put forward in the performance. And definitely pick up the CD!! It’s a cracker!! j39m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 5 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: OK, that's what I suspected. Or perhaps JW is just so used to recording with a click track now. I wonder if JW sat up the click track himself. Isn't Williams known for often antediluvianly not using a click track even when recording a film score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 14 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Isn't Williams known for often antediluvianly not using a click track even when recording a film score? There was definitely a click track on that old footage of the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK sessions in that documentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,653 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 16 hours ago, thx99 said: LOL!!! I didn’t know that! I was referring to the shoulder slump at the very end, as if it was an expression of the effort everyone put forward in the performance. The slump looks like Yoda reverting to "old" after his fight with Dooku. WilliamsStarShip2282 and thx99 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 18 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: Isn't Williams known for often antediluvianly not using a click track even when recording a film score? I doubt he’s recorded a score in a long time without using one for at least some cues. He’s just vocal about hating it, considering it a necessary evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Thor said: There was definitely a click track on that old footage of the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK sessions in that documentary. You can even hear it on a couple of albums (I think Last Crusade was one of them?). But for some reason I was under the impression that it's not uncommon for him to record parts of his scores without one when possible. Miguel Andrade and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Thor said: There was definitely a click track on that old footage of the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK sessions in that documentary. You’re not remembering correctly. All footage shows Williams conducting without headset. The original SW trilogy was done just with punches & streamers, no click track whatsoever. Williams started to use click track only much later, and mostly for action cues with lots of sync points. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,495 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 Are you sure? I have this vivid memory of click tracks being onscreen. I can't remember if Williams wore a headset or not, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 56 minutes ago, Thor said: Are you sure? I have this vivid memory of click tracks being onscreen. I can't remember if Williams wore a headset or not, though. You’re mixing up the click track with punches & streamers. The click track is an audio device following the music tempi that is fed through audio monitors (headset and earplugs) to the conductor and the players to keep precisely in tempo. Punches & streamers are visual cues that are shown only to the conductor. The streamer is that vertical line that goes across the screen that usually works as a sort of countdown to the downbeat where the sync must fall, while the punches are visual “holes” on screen marking the exact cue where the conductor has to hit the sync. Williams always preferred to conduct film cues to punches & streamers (and still does) because they allow to a more nuanced rubato performance, while the click track keeps everything much more mechanical, but certainly saves time. Muad'Dib and thx99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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