Popular Post Faleel 5,348 Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Across the Stars: crumbs, Incanus, Bayesian and 12 others 11 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 _Damn_, this new arrangement can go _hard_ in some of the orchestral passages! Love the way the various sections from the original collide against each other like crashing tidal waves in this version, so powerful. Peters out for a while, though, curious to hear how I'll think about it on repeated listens. Boy do I want to hear Williams' reflections on Dracula and Cinderella Liberty in this way, now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 It's too Schindler's List like that. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Actually, the thick intro reminds me of some of the transitional music in Revenge of the Sith. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, Nick Parker said: Actually, the thick intro reminds me of some of the transitional music in Revenge of the Sith. It reminds me a bit of the intro to his arrangement of Irina's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Actually, the thick intro reminds me of some of the transitional music in Revenge of the Sith. That part is a bit reminiscent of Anakin's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Wow, there are some very heavy string passages that I did not see coming. Very interesting, powerful new arrangement. Seems almost oppressive in feeling. DarthDementous, SteveMc, Falstaft and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Quite interesting arrangement. Operatic, I'd say, even. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Listening to it more, the new darkness JW expresses in this arrangement reminds me of the new version of Han and Leia's theme. It sounds like JW stripped away all the sweeping romance of the original Love Theme and replaces it with more conflict and tragedy. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, artguy360 said: Listening to it more, the new darkness JW expresses in this arrangement reminds me of the new version of Han and Leia's theme. It sounds like JW stripped away all the sweeping romance of the original Love Theme and replaces it with more conflict and tragedy. Conflict, tragedy? Gimme more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I'm frankly a bit disappointed. I think something more in the vein of the original arrangement would have fitted Mutter the romantic better. bollemanneke and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Hmmmm… Original is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 I love it. JW morphed the original composition into a melancholic Brahms-like romanza for violin. If all the new arrangements he did for ASM are powerful like this one, it's gonna be a very special album. Jacck, SteveMc, _deleted_ and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 The theme is one of my favourite love themes of all time, and I think this new version does it justice. I, too, prefer the 'cleaner' original recording, but you gotta dig those cadenzas. As others have said earlier, "operatic" and "Schindler's List-ian" are good keywords here. SteveMc and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 It's very Germanic in character, imho. Mutter is known for her interpretations of the Romantic repertoire and it seems JW went for a very "sturm und drang" sensibility here. SteveMc and _deleted_ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannhauser 101 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I'm not that wild about it to be honest. Markings is much better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I love the way Williams nearly always reworks his arrangements so that they are not just the concert suite with the solo instrumentation just added on top or switched from the original solo instrument but he re-examines his music and finds way to really work the new soloist into the piece, just like he does here. Once and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I love this! Will there be an official release? It’s so haunting and tragic. Give me more! I’d love to see JW revisit some of his prequel material, especially if this is what we can expect. Moar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stempel 136 Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Ludwig van Beethoven Ouvertüre zu „Fidelio“ op. 72Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Konzert für Klavier und Orchester c-Moll KV. 491Ludwig van Beethoven Ouvertüre „Leonore III“ op. 72bJohn WilliamsMarkings für Violine, Streicher und Harfe (DEA)Ludwig van Beethoven Romanze für Violine und Orchester F-Dur op. 50John Williams Across the Stars (Love Theme) from “Star Wars” https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/085874-000-A/anne-sophie-mutter-und-lang-lang-in-der-philharmonie-berlin/ "Markings" starts at 1:40:00 Incanus, Disco Stu, TownerFan and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Bilbo said: I love this! Will there be an official release? Yes, a CD next year Bayesian and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 . Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 48 minutes ago, Stempel said: https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/085874-000-A/anne-sophie-mutter-und-lang-lang-in-der-philharmonie-berlin/ "Markings" starts at 1:40:00 "Dieses video ist in Ihrem Land nicht verfügbar" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 It's Trump's fault! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pawel P. 738 Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 You can fin the whole concert here https://youtu.be/lT9g9-5Gioc It sounds very beautiful, both Markings and Across the Stars. Like the new arrangement of the Han Solo and the Princess theme, where the relationship between them is more from the The Force Awakens times than The Empire Strikes Back, the new version of Across the Stars sounds more like a comment to the tragic end of Anakin and Padme love from Revenge of the Sith than the relatively innocent relationship of Attack of The Clones. As this concert was quite a big and prestigious event and was recorded in HD, I suppose it may soon be released on blu ray. It would be great! By the way, I love this view SteveMc, Disco Stu, Ricard and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, Pawel P. said: You can fin the whole concert here https://youtu.be/lT9g9-5Gioc Thank you! WOW! It was fantastic to see Markings performed (instead of just hearing it). This piece is holding up for me 1+ year later, a great addition to Williams' oeuvre. Dark, introspective, mercurial. And of course a great showcase of Mutter's virtuosity! This "Across the Stars" arrangement is a stunner! A more complex, mature approach to the material. It's not quite the all-timer that the new "Han Solo and the Princess" is but it's fantastic to hear him revisit prequel music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Thank you! WOW! It was fantastic to see Markings performed (instead of just hearing it). This piece is holding up for me 1+ year later, a great addition to Williams' oeuvre. Dark, introspective, mercurial. And of course a great showcase of Mutter's virtuosity! This "Across the Stars" arrangement is a stunner! A more complex, mature approach to the material. It's not quite the all-timer that the new "Han Solo and the Princess" is but it's fantastic to hear him revisit prequel music. Well I have to agree, Disco Stu. Stunning playing and the music of course is excellent. Williams was in good company here. Oh and Schindler's List as an encore. Not bad. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveMc 2,674 Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Can't wait to listen! Makes my heart glad to see Mozart, Beethoven and Williams all together like that. 2 hours ago, Pawel P. said: rpvee, Locrius, Incanus and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,315 Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Fucking hell, can JW please keep going and revisit all his former concert suites and revise them? Han Solo and the Princess, I Am The Pan, now this. It's just endlessly fascinating hearing Williams revisit older works with modern sensibilities. And, interestingly, very rarely do these revisions not add a layer of sadness and melancholy to proceedings. How I'd love to hear a revised Dracula suite written by Williams now. It would be fascinating! DarthDementous, Once and Falstaft 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, crumbs said: Fucking hell, can JW please keep going and revisit all his former concert suites and revise them? Han Solo and the Princess, I Am The Pan, now this. It's just endlessly fascinating hearing Williams revisit older works with modern sensibilities. And, interestingly, very rarely do these revisions not add a layer of sadness and melancholy to proceedings. Marion's theme is pretty romantic without being too melancholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,348 Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Wait till he revises it after Indy five rpvee, bollemanneke and Falstaft 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I knew I forgot one! I'm not too familiar with that revision but from memory it's less melancholic a revision. Great pickup. There really should be a master list of concert suites JW has revised because it usually indicates he wasn't fully satisfied with his first attempt. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Meh. That was disappointing. While it's always nice to hear Williams revisiting old material and finding new contexts for it, new variations and flashy cadenzas aside, this arrangement isn't particularly interesting. Seems kind of neutered, or rather, dare I say, workman-like. It's certainly no "Hans Solo and the Princess"... Markings....now that's a real gem! Beautifully rendered here too. Jurassic Shark, Falstaft, Joni Wiljami and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 26 minutes ago, crumbs said: I knew I forgot one! I'm not too familiar with that revision but from memory it's less melancholic a revision. Great pickup. There really should be a master list of concert suites JW has revised because it usually indicates he wasn't fully satisfied with his first attempt. I don't think these revisions always mean that Williams wasn't exactly satisfied but rather occasions when he can dust off his older works and revisit them with different ears, often decades after he first penned them. In Marion's Theme's case there wasn't a proper concert arrangement so when Spielberg suggested that he expand upon the original it was like completing original score with a proper fully fleshed out love/heroine theme. But it has to be said that many of these later revisions seem to have a ruminative edge to them which often manifests in a darker hue than the originals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I'm still convinced Williams didn't like the original Han Solo And The Princess concert arrangement. He's never performed it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 It is kind of a mystery why he did that new arrangement of Han Solo & The Princess. It wasn't a commission as far as I'm aware. It just seemed to appear, suddenly. My theory is that Fisher's death inspired him to revisit it, but that's probably too romantic of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 38 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: My theory is that Fisher's death inspired him to revisit it, but that's probably too romantic of me. That's what I always assumed. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 35 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: It is kind of a mystery why he did that new arrangement of Han Solo & The Princess. It wasn't a commission as far as I'm aware. It just seemed to appear, suddenly. My theory is that he did it so the old one could be retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: My theory is that he did it so the old one could be retired. Maybe it’s both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Nah, it's the original end credits for TLJ. 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: I'm still convinced Williams didn't like the original Han Solo And The Princess concert arrangement. He's never performed it. Perhaps he just couldn't find the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damien F 1,742 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I really like it. I wouldn't say it is better or worse than the original, just different. My favorite passage is definitely the bit that starts at 2:56 with those chugging woodwinds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Sorry miss Mutter, I’ll stick to Angele Dubeau’s superb recording. I Dont’t like this new arrangement at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted November 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2018 Wow, what a gift! I hope you all realize how fortunate we all are to be treated to these stunning, often rather more complex revisitations of old themes. Here's a rough-and-ready transcription of the intro, sans specific string voicings. Very much reminiscent of Anakin's theme in texture and mood, as Horner's Dynamic Range pointed out. I guess this now joins "Luke & Leia" as a concert arrangement whose opening bars manage to suggest not only the theme itself, but shades of other leitmotifs (here Imperial March and, perhaps if JW actually remembers it, Anakin's Theme). Ludwig, crumbs, Chen G. and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2018 I agree wholeheartedly @Falstaft I love the interplay between Mutter and the cellos here. That cello line is gorgeous. (2:06:57 - 2:07:12) Falstaft, Kostov and TownerFan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Maybe it's my ear blockage going away, but for some reason that live performance video sounds more alive than what I presume is the same performance linked by @Falafel. Love the part around 2:15 in @Falafel's link; that string countermelody AI style was always my favorite part in the original, and it's great hearing Williams reinterpret that specific faucet/trademark of his early 2000s period in such a portentous, crashing way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostov 58 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Great piece and guys look at the person on the front seat on the left lower corner at 2.04.58, it looks like John Hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2018 16 hours ago, crumbs said: I knew I forgot one! I'm not too familiar with that revision but from memory it's less melancholic a revision. Great pickup. There really should be a master list of concert suites JW has revised because it usually indicates he wasn't fully satisfied with his first attempt. I think this new Across the Stars arrangement doesn't count as a revision. It's really a rewrite with a specific purpose, i.e. making it a piece for violin and orchestra. So JW didn't just take the original piece adding a new violin solo line, but ended up rewriting it entirely. Of course the root ideas of the original piece are still there, but as I said above, it seems like he took it as an excuse to write a sort of Romance for violin, which is a very specific kind of genre rooted specifically in the German Romantic tradition of Beethoven, Schumann, Brahms etc. Han Solo and the Princess seems instead more like a new vision on an older idea, so it's right to call it a revision. I don't know why JW did it, the most logical explanation is that he wasn't properly satisfied with the original concert arrangement. Perhaps Fisher's passing had something to do with the melancholic nature of the new version, but imho, when Williams does this sort of things, the filmic nature really becomes secondary. He seems much more interested in the pure musical expression, exploring a musical idea and how to develop it over the course of a 4-5-6 minutes stand-alone piece. Ricard, crumbs, Incanus and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 It's interesting that he chose that theme rather than Leia's theme for a revision if Fisher's death was the catalyst for him doing it. Just my opinion. I would've thought he'd revise Princess Leia's theme if that were the case. It's fitting either way, as it perfectly accentuates the tragic outcome of the relationship that theme represents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 35 minutes ago, crumbs said: It's interesting that he chose that theme rather than Leia's theme for a revision if Fisher's death was the catalyst for him doing it. Just my opinion. I would've thought he'd revise Princess Leia's theme if that were the case. It's fitting either way, as it perfectly accentuates the tragic outcome of the relationship that theme represents. Most likely Williams was satisfied with Leia's theme but felt that Han Solo and the Princess love theme needed revision or refinement and took this chance to pen a new albeit more sadness tinged version of it and probably to some extent in memory of Carrie. Chen G. and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 20 hours ago, crumbs said: And, interestingly, very rarely do these revisions not add a layer of sadness and melancholy to proceedings. Well, Across the Stars always had a shade of melancholy. Its certainly much more melancholic than the Han/Leia one. that that theme got a melacholic shade in Williams most recent itiration of it, stems from him knowing how it ends (per the sequel trilogy). 1 hour ago, crumbs said: I would've thought he'd revise Princess Leia's theme if that were the case. The love theme is very much attached to Leia's theme: it "grows" out of it. Besides, he already had a suite of Leia's theme. The original suite of the love theme was really just a film cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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