Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Across the Stars Wars MikeH and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2019 Anne-Sophie Mutter talks with The Legacy of John Williams about the genesis of her collaboration with John Williams and the enthusiasm of working alongside him for the project 'Across the Stars, while offering her thoughts about the legacy of the composer: https://thelegacyofjohnwilliams.com/2019/11/21/anne-sophie-mutter-interview/ Hope you'll like it, guys! Falstaft, Jay, Cerebral Cortex and 8 others 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Oh wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Classical music listeners, when they hear Williams' music, come in two flavours. Those who think: "Bruckner, Mahler, Strauss...", and then those who think: "Bruckner, Mahler, Strauss, Williams". Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Thumbs up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What a scoop! Scoop? She's done interviews in many places to promote the album and concerts, including @lairdo's podcast. Not saying this interview is redundant, it's a wonderful article. But it's not like she's some press-averse hermit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 29 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: A scoop indeed! She's done interviews in many places to promote the album and concerts, including @lairdo's podcast. Not saying this interview is redundant, it's a wonderful article. But it's not like she's some press-averse hermit! Think of the implications. Perhaps this can give Maurizio access to the man himself. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 . Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I wonder what he'd do next after a JW interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,152 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I'd like to hear / read an interview with William Ross, especially his involvement with HP: COS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 He would just be modest and say JW composed everything. Actually, he's already said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 If Maurizio was able to interview John himself, I would lose my shit. In a good way! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Not more Mutter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smeltington 1,420 Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2019 There is anutter! bollemanneke, ins and igger6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Congrats on reaching out to ASM and getting her for an interview @TownerFan! 4 hours ago, ATXHusker said: I'd like to hear / read an interview with William Ross, especially his involvement with HP: COS Yeah I wonder how gettable Ross is for an interview? That would be a great listen, especially to hear about his involvement in the sequel trilogy. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post crumbs 14,274 Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 21, 2019 What a fantastic bit of insight this is. Something I never really knew about his past. Quote It’s amazing how much John knows about every instrument. He told me that when he was a young man starting to work as a composer for television shows, he would work on shows that would cover many different cultures and musical styles of the world. So he had to write music in French style, or Japanese style, or write in the style of shtetl, Polish-style klezmer music. He told me he used to go up to the orchestra musicians, to the horn players, or the harp player, and ask them ‘How does this work? If I write this, how that would be possible for you to play?’. So over the period of many years as a young composer, he collected an incredible understanding and knowledge, not only of different cultures and styles of composing, but particularly of the instruments. Arpy, rpvee, Holko and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 hmm so that's why he is so good at composing folk source music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 No wonder he loves those rare instances where he gets to write such weird source music like in the Potter scores (and was happy to include them, when they're usually omitted). Even the source music in Star Wars is highly abstract and he often includes that on his OSTs. rpvee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,839 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Conrad Pope posted on Facebook that he did the arrangement of Princess Leia's Theme for Across the Stars. Interesting. I thought it has been a while since JW had worked with Conrad Pope. I wonder if Pope did other arrangements as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,348 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/21/2019 at 2:20 PM, crumbs said: What a fantastic bit of insight this is. Something I never really knew about his past. It is certainly part of any argument why JW is a better film composer than most or all others alive today. crumbs and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 hours ago, artguy360 said: Conrad Pope posted on Facebook that he did the arrangement of Princess Leia's Theme for Across the Stars. Interesting. I thought it has been a while since JW had worked with Conrad Pope. I wonder if Pope did other arrangements as well. Here's what Conrad wrote: Quote ARRANGING/ADAPTING: What’s the Difference? What are the challenges? John Williams asked me to do an arrangement of Princess Leia’s Theme for Anne-Sophie Mutter. When “god” asks you to do something- no matter how inadequate you feel to the task- it is impossible to say no—particularly when the performer is a “goddess” whose music making has inspired you all your life. This summer at the HOLLYWOOD MUSIC WORKSHOP I shall share the process that resulted in this recording. What is an arrangement? What is an adaption? What is key to a conception? The challenge in an arrangement such as this is: How can one contribute to something so well known and so iconic? What can be new when everything old must be retained? How to fashion “obbligato” that will take the listener on a journey where they will discover something underneath that they hadn’t suspected? This summer, with violinist maestro Dimitrie Leivici, I will illustrate and comment precisely on fashioning an introduction and working out a solo part that that takes the listener on a journey through music that that they already know so well but invites them to it discover anew. https://www.facebook.com/conrad.pope/posts/10218925959572940 The Five Tones, aviazn and Jurassic Shark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 This is kind of heartbreaking, this is my favorite one on the album. I'm curious about that though, since supposedly, that's one of the first ones that he agreed to do. Is there anything in the album notes that mentions him? I know on the cinema serenade albums, everything was clearly defined as to who did what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yeah that's interesting, I wonder if the new intro is Pope or Williams, because it's absolutely gorgeous either way. Maybe Williams sketched it out then handed it off? Wasn't this track one that ASM requested in a different key after first seeing the arrangement? WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yes, that's what she told me during our interview. I guess it had more than one pass. It's not surprising for Williams' usual MO (he frequently farmed out arrangements of existing music during his Pops years and also for recordings featuring soloists, such as the Cinema Serenade albums), but on the album's credits there is no mention of any additional arrangers. crumbs and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 That's odd. Not like Williams to leave an arranger uncredited. Must have been an oversight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Still unusual, unless it was done on the fly. I just had another listen, besides the intro, you know there's nothing in there really changed, the melody is just copied to the violin, with a few bars thats an obbligato. however, yoda's theme is a bit like that too, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,505 Posted November 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 25, 2019 JW: So, next album with Zimmer, huh? ASM: Ja. I tricked you, haha! It was all about making him jealous. Sowwy, John. JW: Ha! Then I also have a secret to share with you. Across the Stars was secretely adapted by William Ross! ASM: Oh, nein! JW: You really thought I liked those cookies? I threw them all to the birds. Now, get lost. I'm going to Vienna with Perlman! Jurassic Shark, Smaug The Iron and Smeltington 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 11/21/2019 at 5:20 PM, crumbs said: He told me he used to go up to the orchestra musicians, to the horn players, or the harp player, and ask them ‘How does this work? If I write this, how that would be possible for you to play?’. So over the period of many years as a young composer, he collected an incredible understanding and knowledge, not only of different cultures and styles of composing, but particularly of the instruments. Lesson #1 for any young composer/arranger/orchestrator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me if JW only arranged the pieces that were more thoroughly re-conceptualized (ie Across the Stars, Hedwig’s Theme, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Perhaps Pope's arrangement was so bad that JW had to redo it. WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawel P. 738 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I'm sure if Pope arranged anything on this album, it's related to the orchestra, not the violin parts. And he certainly followed Williams' instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 8 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: This is kind of heartbreaking, this is my favorite one on the album. I'm curious about that though, since supposedly, that's one of the first ones that he agreed to do. Is there anything in the album notes that mentions him? I know on the cinema serenade albums, everything was clearly defined as to who did what. It's my favourite as well, but that's in large part due to the performance and interpretation, as the arrangement follows the original concert version rather closely, except for the new intro and obviously the violin part. Also, Pope's post is rather vague. He might have arranged the whole thing, or perhaps Williams sketched the violin part and asked Pope to adapt the concert suite orchestration to accommodate it. Either way, perhaps Pope's involvement is the reason why the piece was relegated to the Deluxe Edition as a bonus track. WilliamsStarShip2282 and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,274 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Yet we're none the wiser on the Han Solo and the Princess arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 She did mention Witches of Eastwick which was done in Tanglewood. She said it wasn't on the album because it wasn't finished, but Gil Shaham actually recorded it maybe... two decades ago? It was the violin/piano version, but I'm still curious, as it would maybe seem it was done then or maybe he re-did the whole thing, kind of like Far and Away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 887 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 7 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: She did mention Witches of Eastwick which was done in Tanglewood. She said it wasn't on the album because it wasn't finished, but Gil Shaham actually recorded it maybe... two decades ago? It was the violin/piano version, but I'm still curious, as it would maybe seem it was done then or maybe he re-did the whole thing, kind of like Far and Away. It's a completely different arrangement. He re-worked the whole thing... or maybe Conrad did^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 8 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: It's my favourite as well, but that's in large part due to the performance and interpretation, as the arrangement follows the original concert version rather closely, except for the new intro and obviously the violin part. Also, Pope's post is rather vague. He might have arranged the whole thing, or perhaps Williams sketched the violin part and asked Pope to adapt the concert suite orchestration to accommodate it. Either way, perhaps Pope's involvement is the reason why the piece was relegated to the Deluxe Edition as a bonus track. Don't forget that you adored the ending! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 Arranging vs. composing vs. orchestrating has been and always will be one of the most hotly debated -- and controversial -- arguments in the Hollywood music circle since the days of Steiner and Korngold. Williams comes from an era where collaboration and collegiality between fellow composers and musicians were key factors, and probably even more crucial than who ended up being credited on the title card. He grew up with people like Al Newman and Stanley Wilson, who were fine composers themselves, but they also were excellent in administrating people and make good choices in moments of time-crunch. I think this is a testament of Williams's admiration of Conrad Pope's skills as arranger, and probably another way to see how much in his mind he makes distinction between composing vs. arranging an existing piece of music. I think this doesn't take away from the level of musicianship and artistry of this project. crumbs, Dr. Rick, Bayesian and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,097 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 hours ago, TownerFan said: I think this is a testament of Williams's admiration of Conrad Pope's skills as arranger, and probably another way to see how much in his mind he makes distinction between composing vs. arranging an existing piece of music. I think this doesn't take away from the level of musicianship and artistry of this project. Well put! That said, I hope that we eventually learn from Conrad Pope what his contributions were in a more specific sense. The opening 17 measure of the arrangement are quite striking and technically refined, not to mention emotionally resonant. Whoever is responsible, I admire their contribution. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Don't forget that you adored the ending! How could I forget. But as I said, much of the piece's new and improved greatness comes from the interpretation. I would adore this new recording even without the violin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 . Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 This concert was actually packed. Because of the traffic, a lot of people leave before the concert is over, which is really a shame. The musicians always look like that now, they have a lot of material to get through all summer, with very little rehearsal and a hectic schedule, and seems to get more and more every year. The few times I see them perk up is when John is around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,082 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 9 hours ago, WilliamsStarShip2282 said: This concert was actually packed. Because of the traffic, a lot of people leave before the concert is over, which is really a shame. At Film Night this year, David Newman announted during the second half that "after the next piece, there might be a surprise". Several people left after that piece. The surprise was of course Williams taking over as conductor for the remainder of the concert (plus encores). WilliamsStarShip2282 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamsStarShip2282 308 Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 Happens all the time. I mean why bother going for only half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Buying a physical c.d. nowadays means buying an object you actually like for your collection Since the Deluxe Edition has the ugliest packaging of all times, I decided to buy the regular edition and keep digital files of the "bonus tracks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,709 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 What are you talking about? I own both the standard and deluxe release and both are beautiful, I can’t imagine why if you like one of them, why you’d have problems with the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Yeah, aren't both digipaks, although the DE is longer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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