Luka 242 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, PrayodiBA said: Consider myself disappointed,.. The score, is too slow to my liking. This score relies heavily on slow strings, but they dont go anywhere. A bit boring to be honest. This score also lacks cohesiveness ( themes start promising, only to disappear moments later ) ( again.... ) There are some decent highlights of course, especially when it goes action-fantasy. But unfortunately, there's very little of them Overall, this is a disappointment. Autopilot-JNH-fantasy-mode score ( * I mean, we just heard a grandeur that is HTTYD 3 snippett, and we need that inbetween, and FB2 fails to do just that) Damn, that sounds like the disappointment I got from The Nutcracker and the Four Realms Might JNH lose his place of my favourite composer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2018 I'm on my first listen through and already absolutely loving it! Adore the little French flavour he adds in here and wonderful reprisals of his two best themes from the first film Will, DemonStar, Pieter Boelen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 49 minutes ago, Luka said: Damn, that sounds like the disappointment I got from The Nutcracker and the Four Realms Might JNH lose his place of my favourite composer? A favorite composer shouldn't be your favorite because every single thing he does he is great, it's that one finds his style/writing to inherently be of intrigue. Just because, for example, I'm not interested in the Bourne stuff doesn't mean Powell's suddenly not my favorite living-and-not-retired composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Damn his Nagini stuff is sensational. Those ultra-low Woodwinds! What a piece. A mixture of a tragic opera with gothic horror, all wrapped around a circus theme. Mr. Who and Luka 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Was the score released in stores today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, JoeinAR said: Was the score released in stores today? It's out friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Tomorrow then it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 So, have just heard this. Rambled thoughts. Thought the new themes were a bit weak (Dumbledore's is okay, but for some reason I still can't pick out Leta's, despite the piano track.. Is it the 2 up - 2 down four note figure?), and the longer tracks quite dull and plodding, unlike some from the first film, but maybe I'll warm to them in time. Themes return (If I'm not mistaken, all of them?) but really not very many times, by my reckoning (Which is a shame, as I loved the themes from the first score) The slowww build up to the action in 'The Thestral Chase' was deliciously dark. Think the most fun for me was 'Newt and Jacob pack for Paris', which borrows heavily from the titular end credits track. Also contains Jacob's theme! 'Capturing the Zouwu' has a fun Newt hero theme. 'Travelling to Hogwarts' contains the great FB theme (couldn't obviously hear it anywhere else ) I loved 'Salamander Eyes', as heard in the preview. 'Matagots' is really fun (Hero theme again, some borrowed from the escape from MACUSA) 'Spread the Word' builds to "epicness" - simple string ostinato + big chords... bit generic 'Wands into the Earth' I remember pretty cool in places. I think overall it's slightly lesser to the first score, so overall a little disappointed on first listen, though I often am, due to over-high expectations. But there is some really great writing in there! I expect this'll be a grower, not a show-er. leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bofur01 said: 'Travelling to Hogwarts' contains the great FB theme (couldn't obviously hear it anywhere else ) Whoa. That theme only appears on the soundtrack once???? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 28 minutes ago, kaseykockroach said: A favorite composer shouldn't be your favorite because every single thing he does he is great, it's that one finds his style/writing to inherently be of intrigue. Just because, for example, I'm not interested in the Bourne stuff doesn't mean Powell's suddenly not my favorite living-and-not-retired composer. Wise, but I mean, if all the new scores he does don't impress me anymore… He'll certainly lose his spot after a while... But finally, I started listening to it and nope! I LOVE IT! He definitely won't lose his spot for now! x) Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I seek not to be impressed, I seek to have fun! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Whoa. That theme only appears on the soundtrack once???? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm At least, there was only one overt quote that I remember Same for the Jacob theme, Newt's animal theme, Obscurus, Grindelwald... Think the only multiple-quote old themes were the healing one and Newt the hero. Would love to be proved wrong, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 30 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: Tomorrow then it is. It's already Friday in many parts of the world, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, Jay said: It's already Friday in many parts of the world, of course. Thank you Jimmy Buffet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Whoa. That theme only appears on the soundtrack once???? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 21 minutes ago, Bofur01 said: At least, there was only one overt quote that I remember Same for the Jacob theme, Newt's animal theme, Obscurus, Grindelwald... Think the only multiple-quote old themes were the healing one and Newt the hero. Would love to be proved wrong, though. His FB main theme is all over the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, Bofur01 said: Newt's animal theme, Grindelwald Oh, what are those themes? I never associated a theme with Grindelwald in the first… Where is it? And Newt's animal too? Which one is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (Edit, wrong thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2018 He adapted his main theme beautifully throughout. These are the moments they happen from what I remember from first listen. I'm sure I'll find even more as I listen on. 1:51 3:24 0:07 0:15 0:22 3:40 3:55 Luka, Cerebral Cortex, Taikomochi and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Ah sorry, I must have completely missed those! Sorry to be a fearmonger, and thanks for pointing them out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,278 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Good not great. Highlights are pretty limited to the variations on the first score’s themes, some of which are exciting. But I dunno that this really distinguishes itself...noticed some greater choral emphasis, makes for good typically JNH-y atmosphere and in general there’s obviously a uniformly strong sound. I can wait until after seeing the film to give it another spin, reserving certain judgments on it til then. Seems more “solid” than special, though. The first one - while imperfect - made me wonder more if these scores could lean toward the latter, and I’m less intrigued by the overall potential after this one. I do hope he completes the set regardless, he’s definitely started something and there’s still room to take it somewhere. Bofur01 and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 The beginning of “The Thestral Chase” reminded me of Silence of the Lambs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 There’s loads of moments featuring returning themes! It’s nit just one or two it seems they’re all back! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I'm working on a theme list and tracker. There are at least 7 returning themes so far and 5 new ones. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I'm 3 minutes into Thestral Chase and I'm bored The second half is perfectly good action music but by no means anything to write home about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2018 This is what I've got so far. Of course some of the new themes will be wrongly named and identified because I haven't seen the film yet. But I'm still listening, and will update as I go.Fantastic Beasts Main Theme 1:51 - Newt and Jacob Pack for Paris 3:24 - Nagini 0:07 - Travelling to Hogwarts 0:15 - Your Story is Our Story 0:22 - Leta's Confession 0:00 - Visions of War 3:40 - Wands into the Earth 3:55 - Restoring Your Name 0:00 - Fantastic Beasts Theme (Solo Piano)Love Theme 2:42 - Nagini 1:25 - Newt Tracks Tina 1:03 - Capturing the Zouwu 0:00 - Salamander Eyes 2:45 - Spread the Word Jacob's Theme 1:35 - Newt and Jacob Pack for ParisQueenie and Jacob's Love Theme 0:12 - Queenie Searches for JacobObscurus Theme 0:00 - Irma and the Obscurus 2:59 - Restoring Your NameGrindelwald's Theme 1:09 - The Thestral Chase 0:00 - Blood Pact 2:25 - Your Story is Our Story 1:01 - Spread the Word 1:13 - Wands into the Earth 2:12 - Restoring Your NameOminous Choir motif 0:19 - The Thestral Chase 1:53 - Blood Pact 2:58 - Leta's Flashback 2:06 - Salamander Eyes 0:11 - Matagots 0:06 - Wands into the Earth Newt's Ostinato Motif 0:00 - Newt and Jacob Pack for Paris 0:00 - Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of GrindelwaldNewt's Adventure Theme 0:03 - Capturing the Zouwu 1:15 - Matagots 2:04 - Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of GrindelwaldLeta's Theme 0:11 - Leta's Flashback 1:45 - Leta's Confession 0:00 - Leta's Theme (Solo Piano)Dumbledore's Theme 0:48 - Dumbledore 1:30 - Restoring Your Name 0:00 - Dumbledore's Theme (Solo Piano)Fantastic Beasts Fanfare 7:12 - The Thestral ChaseNagini's Theme 1:00 - Nagini 0:21 - Visions of War 6:02 - Restoring Your NameHedwig's Theme 0:07 - The Thestral Chase Bofur01, TSMefford, DemonStar and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I blame Yates. Matagots is the ONLY hightlight i got from this. That sole track is a living proof that JNH still has it in him if he's given the right canvas ( by right means a swasbuckling-action-fantasy movie) And FB2 is not the right canvas for him, personally speaking I mean hear the matagots track ( especially 0:47 onwards ) and i can relive the reinassance day of JNH ala Treasure Planet ----- Do Star Wars already JNH, please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2018 Not understanding peoples reservations about the score. I think it's great. Full of gothic themes and orchestration. All of the big themes return multiple times and in new and fresh ways. His new themes are gorgeous and melodic and well used throughout. His use of Choir continues to be the best of any composer working today. Were people expecting an hour score of JNH action fantasy? Judging by the score, the film has little action, and what action it has is clearly not frantic and bombastic, instead it is very emotional and dramatic action. A. A. Ron, TSMefford, Pieter Boelen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Does Newt's main theme return? I call that the the theme which plays at 1:07 in the end credits of the first score. I won't be really able to listen to the score until the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 12 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: Not understanding peoples reservations about the score. I think it's great. Full of gothic themes and orchestration. All of the big themes return multiple times and in new and fresh ways. His new themes are gorgeous and melodic and well used throughout. His use of Choir continues to be the best of any composer working today. Were people expecting an hour score of JNH action fantasy? Judging by the score, the film has little action, and what action it has is clearly not frantic and bombastic, instead it is very emotional and dramatic action. Yeah, it all comes down to each' preference. Again, i dont like "slow" score, thats why i always adore Powell where he'd fill all instruments and notes all at once But i'm really fond of JNH's "slow" score of the past ala Unbreakable. But sadly, thats a thing of JNH past --- There are some small interesting bits scattered in the score: I love this "ascending" rhythm in this track: I havent seen the movie. And i didnt read rumors and spoilers of FB2, im completely clean but i swear, i thought i heard a Lord Voldemort theme in the end of this track: ( well never mind, i guess it's a Grindelwald-cliffhanging theme ) i love how this title defies expectation: leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 34 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: Does Newt's main theme return? I call that the the theme which plays at 1:07 in the end credits of the first score. I won't be really able to listen to the score until the weekend. Not heard it myself, no. Perhaps I missed an obvious statement but not to my knowledge. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Is that the Thunderbird one, or the one when we first see Newt in the first film on the boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Bofur01 said: Is that the Thunderbird one, or the one when we first see Newt in the first film on the boat? On the boat. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 I thought I heard it somewhere, but no idea where... will listen again later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2018 Odd right? I think it was meant to be Newt's main theme. While his hero theme is supposed to be used for the action bits. The same arrangement for the theme as the end credits was used to memorable effect when Fantastic Beasts won it's oscar. It is a magnificent theme I feel. Once, Will, Luka and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 Hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 4 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Not heard it myself, no. Perhaps I missed an obvious statement but not to my knowledge. Is this a joke, no Newts Main Theme at all??? JNHs best theme in this franchise (which should be the real main theme of the fantastic beasts series) doesnt appear at all... I looked forward to this soundtrack mostly because i wanted to hear this theme again! What a colossal disappointment and failure in thematic planning and development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, SF1_freeze said: Is this a joke, no Newts Main Theme at all??? JNHs best theme in this franchise (which should be the real main theme of the fantastic beasts series) doesnt appear at all... I looked forward to this soundtrack mostly because i wanted to hear this theme again! What a colossal disappointment and failure in thematic planning and development. I know this forum does overactions quite well but I’m pretty sure this one really takes the fucking biscuit. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 What do you expect from a Star Wars Pearl Clutcher™ Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 27 minutes ago, SF1_freeze said: Is this a joke, no Newts Main Theme at all??? JNHs best theme in this franchise (which should be the real main theme of the fantastic beasts series) doesnt appear at all... I looked forward to this soundtrack mostly because i wanted to hear this theme again! What a colossal disappointment and failure in thematic planning and development. Newt is well represented in this score. He has two of his themes, but the one you are referring to may be in the score, but I haven't heard it on my first couple of listens. It may be in the film as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 These make me think of Hedwig's Theme somehow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: What do you expect from a Star Wars Pearl 1 hour ago, Bilbo said: I know this forum does overactions quite well but I’m pretty sure this one really takes the fucking biscuit. Not all people are emotionless saints, who never express their disappointment in a more extrovert way. Better leave the forum world if you can't take something like that. If someone looks forward to one theme that for this person was the best theme in this franchise and also the main theme of its main character and this theme doesn't appear at all there is every right to overreact! I mean imagine RotJ dismissing the Imperial March and returning to the Imperial Motif and Death Star motif because the Empire is well represented with two thematic ideas already... wouldn't that also be a reason to overreact TSMefford and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,278 Posted November 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2018 One thing I noticed Once, Taikomochi, leeallen01 and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Posted November 9, 2018 5 hours ago, PrayodiBA said: i thought i heard a Lord Voldemort theme in the end of this track: ( well never mind, i guess it's a Grindelwald-cliffhanging theme ) Which Voldemort Theme? I don't recognize it... 18 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: One thing I noticed Oh wow! That's quite a nice catch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,278 Posted November 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 9, 2018 6 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Not understanding peoples reservations about the score. I think it's great. Full of gothic themes and orchestration. All of the big themes return multiple times and in new and fresh ways. His new themes are gorgeous and melodic and well used throughout. His use of Choir continues to be the best of any composer working today. Were people expecting an hour score of JNH action fantasy? Judging by the score, the film has little action, and what action it has is clearly not frantic and bombastic, instead it is very emotional and dramatic action. I don't agree that the new themes are much to scream about as represented here. Would have liked more of Dumbledore's, but again that might be a limitation of the film. The "ominous choral" motif as you pinpointed is the main new idea that stood out, actually, which I found effective but didn't quite feel like it tied the soundtrack together on a musical level. But I hope it and the other new stuff makes some sort of dramatic sense. I think one thing about the first score is that along with the lengthier tracks for JNH to show off and isolated bursts of brand new melodic energy like "The Erumpent" which this lacks, it had that extra "1920s jazz" element to distinguish itself as something interesting apart from the previous 8 Potter scores. It worked stylistically and dramatically and that was something I really enjoyed that made it a little more than "just" a solid fantasy score. It was a fun musical hook I felt this series could claim, the "Newt Scamander Goes to..." concept. But only "Newt and Tina Pack for Paris" really has anything like that and since it's such a clear highlight, I would have liked to hear more of him in that style, riffing around with old and new themes. So will just have to see the film to see if maybe there's some unreleased stuff in that vein, or if JNH missed some opportunities, or if the film just doesn't really allow for it much. As it is, first few tracks and last few tracks stand out, the piano solos are nice, and the scattered new renditions of the first film's themes are quite good. Luka, leeallen01, Pieter Boelen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 On 11/8/2018 at 2:09 PM, kaseykockroach said: I seek not to be impressed, I seek to have fun! And you didn't have fun with Bourne? Those were the best action scores of their decade! Evanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Too serious for my taste. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 13 hours ago, mrbellamy said: One thing I noticed Nice. That plays in the first film in the very emotional scene as Jacob forgets in the rain, so perhaps it has a similar context in this film. I just assigned that moment as an adaptation of the love theme because of its similar shape and melody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 00:06 - 00:10 I smilled because it reminds me of JW writing for potter. Will and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 He really pulled out some dramatic string writing in this score, especially the final few pieces. Lots of string ostinato that build and build to huge crescendo. Very effective. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 OK, I've given this score a few listens by now: I can certainly see where the disappointment is coming from. I LOVE LOVE LOVE "The Thestral Chase," "Dumbledore," and "The Kelpie," but none of the rest of the album quite measures up to those cues imho so the score kind of peters off in enjoyment after a rollicking start. The new themes seem to be played rather sparingly as well. That said, there are of course some utterly sublime moments here. In particular, I still can't get over how utterly exciting this passage is -- largely due to the astoundingly beautiful climax, which appears to hint at Newt's "wonder and awe" theme from the first film: And it's hard not to marvel at JNH's ability to sound downright JW-esque at times in his wind figures and other little traits. That really struck me on first listen. In other words, while this doesn't reach the tremendous heights of the first score, that doesn't stop it from being one of this year's very best in my book. EDIT: Oh, and I take back what I said about none of the later cues measuring up to the beginning ones, because this one kicks some serious ass: Disco Stu and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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