Stark 80 Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Are we sure that Balfe was not involved from the beginning as Zimmer’s +1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 84 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Lorne probably wrote most of that score, whatever his credit is (quote from hybrid soldier) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 109 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Most of it is probably tracked with Danger Zone anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 107 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Balfe's been hinting at this on his social media for a while. I think this is a job where Zimmer and Faltermeyer did the basics on an initial spur of nostalgic excitement back in 2019-2020, got bored, then handed to Balfe, so literally anything in the film is Balfe. Or more accurately Balfe's crew. Whatever. Not massively excited. It's interesting to see the hans-zimmer.com guy not be excited about this......dismissing it as only 30 mins of music on album but not discussing anything more, especially with HZ's penchance for releasing sketches..... JTW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 3,495 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I may not like Balfe's music, but in a way his career always intrigued me. During the 2000s and the 2010s, he ghostwrote a lot of scores credited to Zimmer, including movies that his fans loved (like The Dark Knight trilogy), a whole bunch of animated stuff (Kung Fu Panda, Megamind, etc) and, of course, several movies for which Zimmer was Oscar nominated: Sherlock Holmes, Inception, Dunkirk... Still, he always seemed very... comfortable in this role. He didn't mind writing music that garnered critical acclaim and awards nominations for his boss. Didn't he ever thought "Gee, I worked hard on Sherlock and Inception, why I was not nominated alongside Zimmer"? Sure, eventually he left Zimmer's shadow and managed to score some blockbusters "alone" (plus his team). But he never seemed to be mad at HZ for getting acclaimed for movies he partially scored. Then again, Oscar nominations are a very complicated matter. Zimmer credited Badelt and Gerrard on Gladiator, but he was the only composer nominated for that movie. JTW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 367 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 The more "ghostwriter" is thrown around for people that absolutely got royalties for their work from all the repotoire credits they have, the more I'm just convinced it's a term used purely out of spite than from any real attempt to actually understand the MV/RCP methodology. I have to ask once more: what solo RCP composer managed to fully replicate Zimmer? And I don't mean the quick tricks and FX. Everything. Stark and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,263 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 In this context, "ghostwriter" makes no sense, a term usually applied to people who compose in the background, without proper credit. Co-composer would be more accurate as the main composers are all properly credited here. Stark and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,698 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Or are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,263 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 21 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Or are they? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,388 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I predict another faceless undistinguished wall of sound with the Zimmer/Faltermeyer suites being the only fun ingredient. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules 53 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 This has gotten rave reviews, really surprised me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,698 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Links, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu 13,858 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 97% RT score based on 90 reviews 81 on Metacritic (a far more useful site for gauging the sentiment of critics from "respectable" publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,698 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 I thought he was talking about the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,263 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Yes, a few colleagues I've spoken to have also been very enthusiastic. Looking forward to seeing it on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 132 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 https://filmmusicreporter.com/2022/05/18/top-gun-maverick-music-team-credits-revealed/ it’s almost a joke at this point Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 6,335 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 On 15/05/2022 at 2:29 PM, Thor said: Yes, a few colleagues I've spoken to have also been very enthusiastic. Looking forward to seeing it on Wednesday. So... what's it like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 1,904 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 3 minutes ago, Gibster said: https://filmmusicreporter.com/2022/05/18/top-gun-maverick-music-team-credits-revealed/ it’s almost a joke at this point Three additional composers on top of Zimmer, Faltermeyer and Balfe, meaning that at least 6 composers worked on it, plus arrangers. For a score, which if the album is anything to go by, is not very long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 367 Posted May 18 Share Posted May 18 All the arrangers being the entirety of Balfe's regular crew, so I guess that rumor of him getting involved partway through isn't particularly far fetched now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drawgoon 63 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 It is starting to look like even Hans Zimmer himself might have finally received that shiny "Balfed!" badge. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 5,263 Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 Saw the movie yesterday, in IMAX. It was okay, but not quite as visionary as I had hoped, given Kosinski's track record. Loved all the aerial sequences, of course. Best part of the score was the old Faltermeyer stuff; the rearrangement was nice. But also a lot of non-descript tropes. The romantic bits weren't particularly noteworthy either -- certainly nothing on "Take My Breath Away"'s level, which - granted - might have been a bit too on-the-nose to begin with. I would be curious to read a breakdown at some point, that lists who did what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,388 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 On 19/05/2022 at 9:39 AM, Thor said: I would be curious to read a breakdown at some point, that lists who did what. Should be fairly easy to spot when you saw the film. Not because of any subtle analyzing of styles, but type of scene. Important scene (narratively speaking) or introduction of a new theme or style = Zimmer, wall-to-wall stuff that now and then bluntly inserts the Zimmer/Faltermeyer stuff = Balfe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,059 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 On 11/5/2022 at 9:10 PM, Edmilson said: I may not like Balfe's music, but in a way his career always intrigued me. During the 2000s and the 2010s, he ghostwrote a lot of scores credited to Zimmer, including movies that his fans loved (like The Dark Knight trilogy), a whole bunch of animated stuff (Kung Fu Panda, Megamind, etc) and, of course, several movies for which Zimmer was Oscar nominated: Sherlock Holmes, Inception, Dunkirk... Still, he always seemed very... comfortable in this role. He didn't mind writing music that garnered critical acclaim and awards nominations for his boss. Didn't he ever thought "Gee, I worked hard on Sherlock and Inception, why I was not nominated alongside Zimmer"? Sure, eventually he left Zimmer's shadow and managed to score some blockbusters "alone" (plus his team). But he never seemed to be mad at HZ for getting acclaimed for movies he partially scored. Then again, Oscar nominations are a very complicated matter. Zimmer credited Badelt and Gerrard on Gladiator, but he was the only composer nominated for that movie. This is such an ignorant tone deaf post. Richard Penna and JTW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 3,495 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, Koray Savas said: This is such an ignorant tone deaf post. Really? Geez, that's disappoiting. I wrote it specifically thinking about you. When I posted it, it was with the only objective of pleasing you and others, not expressing my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_A_R_T_H 14 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 What ? What ??? WHAT ???? only 41mn (songs + score) !!!! ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 249 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 I have heard of retro music releases, but this beats it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu 13,858 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 I really like the idea of having an old fashioned 80s style OST.... as long as there's also a more normal score release alongside it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 132 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 12 minutes ago, Stu said: I really like the idea of having an old fashioned 80s style OST.... as long as there's also a more normal score release alongside it.... I saw the movie, there ain't much score, this release is probably all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 1,904 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 29 minutes ago, Stu said: I really like the idea of having an old fashioned 80s style OST.... as long as there's also a more normal score release alongside it.... For cases where the accompanying songs are important to the story, I agree - one can make a nice album from songs and the odd bit of score where it fits. Back to the Future is the textbook example. But that's 100% conditional on the lion's share of the actual score (i.e., not 'interpretations' or re-recording) being available on a separate release. I can live with this one receiving zero marketing, or digital-only (pretty much a given now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,023 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Now available in any country where it's already Friday https://music.apple.com/nz/album/top-gun-maverick-music-from-the-motion-picture/1621817793 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 6,335 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Danger Zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 1,904 Posted May 26 Popular Post Share Posted May 26 Wow, those samples are really not promising, even by RCP standards. Edmilson, badbu and MaxTheHouseelf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 132 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Darkstar is the best track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 1,904 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 In all seriousness, how do 6 composers work on a score and come up with... that? It's just half an hour of string ostinatos. I try to find the positives with Zimmer & co, but unless they basically recut the entire film with 5 minutes to go, it's hard to see where the work went. JTW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyemery 1 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 On 19/5/2022 at 3:39 AM, Thor said: Saw the movie yesterday, in IMAX. It was okay, but not quite as visionary as I had hoped, given Kosinski's track record. Loved all the aerial sequences, of course. Best part of the score was the old Faltermeyer stuff; the rearrangement was nice. But also a lot of non-descript tropes. The romantic bits weren't particularly noteworthy either -- certainly nothing on "Take My Breath Away"'s level, which - granted - might have been a bit too on-the-nose to begin with. I would be curious to read a breakdown at some point, that lists who did what. Kosinski might as well have gotten his go-to composer, Joseph Trapanese, to work on the score. He's a huge fan of the original film's score and is pretty good at mixing orchestral and electronic elements together that feel both consistent and unique at the same time. If I had to bring Faltermeyer out of retirement for anything, I'd have done it for Beverly Hills Cop IV. He already worked on the first two films in the series with both its score and soundtrack all drenched in his DNA that's (arguably) way more vital to capture than Top Gun. Plus, he's one of the most memorable elements of the series that define them in terms of tone and how they fit in with the movies proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,059 Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 6 hours ago, dyemery said: Kosinski might as well have gotten his go-to composer, Joseph Trapanese, to work on the score. He's a huge fan of the original film's score and is pretty good at mixing orchestral and electronic elements together that feel both consistent and unique at the same time. If I had to bring Faltermeyer out of retirement for anything, I'd have done it for Beverly Hills Cop IV. He already worked on the first two films in the series with both its score and soundtrack all drenched in his DNA that's (arguably) way more vital to capture than Top Gun. Plus, he's one of the most memorable elements of the series that define them in terms of tone and how they fit in with the movies proper. I think it’s pretty clear that this film started as a Kosinski project with Zimmer and Faltermayer, and ended up as a McQuarrie project with Balfe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drawgoon 63 Posted May 27 Popular Post Share Posted May 27 This sounds like it was a very troubled production - at least in the score department. All the signs are there: Lots of composers credited - check Last minute announcement that some pop-singer is contributing a song - check Almost entirely wrangled together using sound banks and sampled strings - check Very short score presentation in the age of lengthy albums - check That material in the short presentation is repetitive (2x anthem, 2x Darkstar, 2x Penny) - check Lorne Balfe - check Richard Penna, Bayesian, Edmilson and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 8,698 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 What a lost opportunity. They should have licenced this for the main theme of the sequel. Imaging a fighter jet suddenly appearing from the cloud over the mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 1,904 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Skimming a few tracks on Spotify now. There are some occasional moments of 'that's not bad, I guess'. But it's still got essentially all of the hallmarks of a typical RCP score where no one's gone for any sort of originality. It even sounds crap, like someone's uploaded a really bad 128k mp3 transcode. (I hope to god that the artifacts causing that reaction aren't intended) 5 hours ago, Drawgoon said: Very short score presentation in the age of lengthy albums - check The bit I don't entirely understand is why a short album is the outcome of a troubled production. Perhaps the composer ultimately doesn't feel it's their best work so they don't want to release large sections of it. But in this case it sounds like the film has little score to begin with, which begs the question even further of how it takes so many composers to produce such a small amount of music, which varies from functional to downright rubbish. dyemery and JTW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbu 84 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 mehhh lame… JTW and dyemery 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 132 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/harold-faltermeyer-top-gun-filmmusik-hans-zimmer-lady-gaga-interview-tom-cruise-1.5588676 faltermeyer interview in German talking about the issues with the score and doesn’t seem happy about the Gaga stuff JTW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 26,023 Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyemery 1 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 On 27/5/2022 at 3:43 PM, Gibster said: https://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/harold-faltermeyer-top-gun-filmmusik-hans-zimmer-lady-gaga-interview-tom-cruise-1.5588676 faltermeyer interview in German talking about the issues with the score and doesn’t seem happy about the Gaga stuff Would you mind transcribing the article here since I can't seem to load it up properly? MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibster 132 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 2 hours ago, dyemery said: Would you mind transcribing the article here since I can't seem to load it up properly? I would but I wasn’t able to either Just now, Gibster said: I would but I wasn’t able to either If you go to Hans-Zimmer.com someone did dyemery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thestat 107 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Yeah, this is ridiculous, sounds like they used the covid years to endlessly tinker with the score and somehow ended up with a Balfe-d product that resembles any old trailer score - by all accounts Cruise was hands-on with the music - but with this? Why would anyone want something so pointless as this score? There is no Zimmer influence at all in this score, or what is left of it. Apparently Balfe has confirmed a score release..... dyemery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 1,904 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 According to someone at FSM, Balfe indicated somewhere that there will be a score release of some sort (possibly expanded/complete): https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=6&forumID=1&threadID=131867&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_A_R_T_H 14 Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 there are a lot of unreleased tracks on the Flight Simulator Marverick DLC score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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