Edmilson 7,266 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 The reviews I've read have been more mixed so far. THR basically said the first episodes are slow and boring, although that may work in its benefit. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-reviews/andor-diego-luna-rogue-one-origin-story-disney-plus-1235223748/ And I really liked this part on Forbes' review: Quote Yes, Andor is technically ‘Star Wars for adults.’ It has the promise of delivering something that justifies itself beyond the content soup demands of the streaming era. However, it’s another example of today’s adults both refusing to let go of their childhood favorites and insisting that those brands and franchises be tailored to their grown-up interests as well. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/09/20/review-andor-is-by-default-best-disney-plus-star-wars-show-yet/?sh=5e4b30585bc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JNHFan2000 2,892 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 Episodes 1 - 3 Well..... I don't think that was great. I thought episodes 1 & 2 were kind of a chore to sit through. There was nothing that made me go "That's cool" or "I know where this is going". I get that it were more set-up episodes, but I didn't care for them. I looked on my phone quite a few times in the first 2 episodes, which is not a good sign, because I never do that wile I'm watching something. I didn't care for the flashback scenes. With them only speaking a language that no one understands, it was hard to pay attention or care for any of it. The 3rd episode fortunately was a lot better. I thought from the moment Skarsgard & Luna were in the scene together it got interesting. There was more clarity in where the story was going and I was more invested. The whole sequence with them escaping was the best part of the 3 episodes. I liked the clanging from the villagers to intimidate and the way they hooked the ship so that the Imperials thought they were being attacked from 2 sides. The cast is fine. The standout, for me, was Fiona Shaw. She did a lot with the little she was in it and I hope this was not all we see of her. Great actress! Stellan Skarsgard also made a good impression. The series got more interesting when his character entered, and that's in part to his charisma. Diego Luna is fine. To me he feels like the exact same person as in Rogue One and I thought this series was about how he got to that point. But there are 9 episodes to go, so who knows what happens. Adria Arjona was fine. Kyle Stoller was annoying, but that's more his character than his acting. Alex Ferns' character can die. What a jerk. As for Britell's music. I really like Britell's scores. Succession and Cruella are incredible. And Don't Look Up & Vice I also like a lot. But I don't know what this was. I thought it was boring and unispired, I'm sorry to say. There's lot's of droning, almost no orchestra or themes to latch onto. I hated the music at the end of the 2nd episode with the drumming (what the hell was that). The best music was the final cue of the 3rd episode, when I could actually hear an orchestra. I won't blame this on Britell more on the showrunner(s), because he's a very competent composer, but I hope there is more inspired music in the remaining 9 episodes. I was really looking forward to this series and score. But if the whole series is like this, I'm going to be disappointed. We didn't even get a glimpse of Monn Mothma or the Senate. I'll watch it, but as of now, I'm going to lower my expectations a lot. Tydirium, Groovygoth666 and Andy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 After the first two episodes, I really like it. I’m honestly not ready for it to blow up into the promised sprawling Dickensian tale that Gilroy promises. I’m very happy to just have Space Jason Bourne (Spaceon Bourne). Brittel’s music fits like a glove. It’ll rankle all the “this is the Star Wars sound” people for sure, but for this series (which thus far feels very little like Star Wars beyond the fact that we know it exists in the same universe, which works great for me and I’d imagine would be a big plus for everyone who is tired of Star Wars spinning its wheels in the rut of the past), it works great. Will it do the same on album? I’d suspect not, but that’s the secondary purpose of the score. I expect the colors of the score to broaden as the scope of the show does. Very disappointed in Lucasfilm for switching back to the Star Wars logo theme from Mando/Boba, after the nice switch they did in Kenobi. Looking forward to watching the third episode tonight, or earlier if I quit my job and leave my family. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 That last sentence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I might actually literally be the only person on this forum who likes the Goransson/Mando Star Wars logo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I liked it well enough until they came up with a better one. Now I’m ANGRY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I didn't like the Obi-Wan one. It didn't feel like a logo, it felt weird coming at the beginning, like a bit of underscore plopped out of a larger cue with no context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,045 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 I still don't understand why Kennedy didn't commission a Lucasfilm logo from JW ahead of TFA's release ThePenitentMan1, Tydirium and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,043 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 Well I’ll be damned, this is actually a good Star Wars show Gabriel Bezerra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I might actually literally be the only person on this forum who likes the Goransson/Mando Star Wars logo It's OK. 38 minutes ago, Jay said: I still don't understand why Kennedy didn't commission a Lucasfilm logo from JW ahead of TFA's release I still don't understand why they don't have a logo that I could have played to anyone in the last 45 years and have them nod and say "Ah! Star Wars!" Star Trek's logo on Paramount+ would have been identified by anyone in that last 56 years as Star Trek. I watched the first episode. Slow, as advertised. But there's always something going on. I wonder what things are like for the people who aren't plucky thieves living on the edge? How old is Cassian supposed to be? 20's? So he's a few years older than Ezra and Luke (and Leia) right? I have to say, the best scene in the first episode (and there were some good scenes) was with Rupert Vansittart's Imperial official guy. He's gloriously gray. He's not good, he's not nice, he's just right. This all feels like people getting by in this somewhat broken down dictatorship. (Has there ever been any other kind?) It feels like we're finally seeing what was going on while Luke was working on the farm. It also made me want to go back to Galaxy's Edge. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriel Bezerra 288 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 56 minutes ago, Tallguy said: How old is Cassian supposed to be? 20's? So he's a few years older than Ezra and Luke (and Leia) right? Wookiepedia says he was born in 26 BBY (BBY 26?) And if they stated correctly the flashbacks occur pre-Empire. (I don't know but that kid didn't look like 6 years old) So yeah, you're right, 21 to 25, if they retcon this wookiepedia birth. 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: I wonder what things are like for the people who aren't plucky thieves living on the edge? If we go with how things turned out for the jealous boyfriend... not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: It's OK. The comfort of a Zack Snyder fan, 'tis a cold comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: The comfort of a Zack Snyder fan, 'tis a cold comfort. Well, I love Man of Steel and really liked Justice League: The Snyder Cut. I hated BvS. I didn't like Watchmen. I saw 300 once. It was... Fine? Does that make me a fan? Anyway... This is the first time BBY has been used on screen, right? And wasn't Disney trying to move away from that designation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 21, 2022 Share Posted September 21, 2022 I haven't watched the episodes yet, I'll watch 'em tonight. If I like it, I'll pull up all the quotes of me being excited and optimistic for this show going all the way back to when it was first announced. If I don't like it, I will surreptitiously edit those posts away DarthDementous and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 17 hours ago, Edmilson said: And I really liked this part on Forbes' review: https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/09/20/review-andor-is-by-default-best-disney-plus-star-wars-show-yet/?sh=5e4b30585bc2 Scott Mendelson at Forbes is one of the few mainstream critics I quite like. Quote This is a common problem among the latest batch of MCU shows, which lean so far into the whole genre appropriation schtick that it becomes a matter of appealing to audiences who no longer consume the genuine article. It’s interesting that Andor, filled with grim political tiddlywinks and a gritty ‘regular people within a spectacular narrative’ beats, tries so hard to not be like a stereotypical Star Wars adventure. However, with no Jedi, no lightsabers and little to differentiate itself from the genuine article beyond the IP branding, the question becomes why audiences aren’t just catching up on Homeland or Spooks. What he says in his review here is pretty much what I was saying in this thread a few weeks ago...how many elements that make Star Wars be Star Wars can you take away and it still be Star Wars? What happened to Star Wars being joyous, magical, stirring and, I don't know, fun? Why does everything have to be subversive? Is that what I'm being told to appreciate now? Things I love being "subverted"? I don't know man, if you're looking to Star Wars for gritty realism, lessons on the brutality of war, and having your expectations subverted, it might be time to crack a book. Andy, WampaRat and Tom Guernsey 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 It's a step up from the gloriously awful 'Obi Wan', but man, that pacing is deadly. Three 40-minute episodes and what happens in three would fit comfortably into one (is that Gilroy's talent, making you feel everything in real-time?). It's more 'Blade Runner' than 'Star Wars', which might not be a bad thing, but somehow there's a big neon light blinking over the proceedings, saying 'We're rudderless here!' The score, subject of much self-congratulory pr, amounts to exactly the kind of industrial noise you'd expect for locations like a huge iron foundery. Van_Etten, Not Mr. Big and JNHFan2000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,043 Posted September 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2022 3 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Scott Mendelson at Forbes is one of the few mainstream critics I quite like. What he says in his review here is pretty much what I was saying in this thread a few weeks ago...how many elements that make Star Wars be Star Wars can you take away and it still be Star Wars? What happened to Star Wars being joyous, magical, stirring and, I don't know, fun? Why does everything have to be subversive? Is that what I'm being told to appreciate now? Things I love being "subverted"? I don't know man, if you're looking to Star Wars for gritty realism, lessons on the brutality of war, and having your expectations subverted, it might be time to crack a book. This argument is ridiculous to me in the context of Star Wars. Literally almost every product before this has tried to be that narrow definition of Star Wars and it has lead to creative bankruptcy, and thus is likely extremely off putting for potential creators that aren’t massive fanboys already Now Andor comes along, finally is confident in what it’s trying to do and goes in a completely different approach to everything that came before it, and now people are trying to push it back into the mediocre sludge because it doesn’t have that mass appeal If it’s not something that interests you, that’s great. Wonderful even. Spin-off shows shouldn’t appeal to everyone, they should target niche audiences. You can have your mind-numbing Mandalorians if I can have my Andors tee_oh, mstrox and WampaRat 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,002 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 On 20/9/2022 at 2:19 PM, Jay said: Alan Sepinwall's review https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-reviews/andor-review-1234593959/ Spot on. This show, so far, is a chore as joyless and soulless as scrubbing a dirty pot for 2 hours with cold dishwater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I thought the first two episodes were quite aimless and ended as if we're meant to feel some sense of wanting to see more. The music is alright, it's definitely more sound design and further away from the Williams' sound than the other composers, and the production design is very retro Star Wars - keeping the same feel as Rogue One. The CSA or whatever they are seem redundant when you have billions of Stormtroopers - and their uniforms remind me of the orange tips toy guns are painted with to signify they're toys: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,266 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Andy said: Spot on. This show, so far, is a chore as joyless and soulless as scrubbing a dirty pot for 2 hours with cold dishwater. There's a paywall on the review and I don't have any money to give to Rolling Stone (and even if I had it, I'd probably spent with something more interesting and valuable than with the entertainment press). If someone can post a print, I'll be thankful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,243 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, Andy said: This show, so far, is a chore as joyless and soulless as scrubbing a dirty pot for 2 hours with cold dishwater. I grant you there is not a lot of joy. But it certainly doesn't feel soulless. It doesn't feel like the movie Star Wars. But it feels very much like the universe of Star Wars. 45 minutes ago, Arpy said: The CSA or whatever they are seem redundant when you have billions of Stormtroopers - and their uniforms remind me of the orange tips toy guns are painted with to signify they're toys: They kind of look like Star Tours uniforms. (Still on episode 1.) DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,002 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I find it amusing that Gilroy felt the need to immediately tell parents this is not for their kids by kicking things off with a brothel and a disturbing (for Star Wars) murder. Henry, you could be just let the ensuing boredom do the job instead. I guess I’m happy for fans who wanted Star Wars to grow up with them. We not only get the word “shit!” but there’s also a bottomless woman sliding her pants on getting out of bed the morning after. Hawt!! Diego Luna might be a good actor. I can’t tell because he really isn’t given much to do but look sad and moderately desperate. His acting range is … steady. I’ll keep watching, hoping for “the feels” that I associate with the universe of imagination and whimsy. Andor makes me feel nothing but impatient. But I would rather watch Kenobi. At least that was sorta fun to make fun of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,043 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Arpy said: I thought the first two episodes were quite aimless and ended as if we're meant to feel some sense of wanting to see more. The music is alright, it's definitely more sound design and further away from the Williams' sound than the other composers, and the production design is very retro Star Wars - keeping the same feel as Rogue One. The CSA or whatever they are seem redundant when you have billions of Stormtroopers - and their uniforms remind me of the orange tips toy guns are painted with to signify they're toys: The Empire has to govern an entire galaxy, it is not redundant to outsource to private companies particularly in stretches of low importance territory. The Empire has to also keep their cards close to their chest a bit until they can rule through fear via the Death Star and dissolve the Senate. The Empire's goal is complete dictatorial military police governance, but they can't look like that's their goal yet because there's still a chance of a giant uprising. You saw how much agitation just 12 CorpSec people there caused on Ferrix, imagine if they had Stormtroopers stationed there - it would be an all-out civil war Besides, Stormtroopers these days are unfortunately a complete joke. The CorpSec people are actually competent Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,854 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I saw it as Tony Gilroy saying "well, I was hired to run a show set during the Empire's era, but all these other shows have stormtroopers. Might be nice to do something a little different". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 It took me a bit to get into a “less fun/dower” Star Wars show. Had it not been linked to Star Wars I probably would have dug it a bit sooner. Its tough for me to reconcile the gee-wiz escapism of what I always felt Star Wars was with this grim/seedy take. (I never got into all the expanded Universe stuff btw) Its almost like their aim was “Lets attempt to do a Star Wars story with the heft of Breaking Bad or The Wire.” Yay(?) But I also have to admit, it’s kinda cool. I’ll see where it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,939 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Watched the first two episodes. Didn't hate it but wasn't too engaged either. The execution is sound, probably better than that of most D+ shows so far, but I am really not that excited about the core concept. So it is an odd one. We shall see. I find it really funny how blasé we are about any Marvel or SW content these days. 😆 Karol Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 4,667 Posted September 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 22, 2022 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Watched the first two episodes. Didn't hate it but wasn't too engaged either. The execution is sound, probably better than that of most D+ shows so far, but I am really not that excited about the core concept. So it is an odd one. We shall see. I find it really funny how blasé we are about any Marvel or SW content these days. 😆 Karol If you'd have told me when I was a kid that we'd have multiple Star Wars/Star Trek/Marvel/Lord of the Rings series running concurrently when I grew up, I'd have sworn you came from a future in which the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth had been firmly established. Instead, there's just emotions ranging from "that's OK" to passive disinterest to utter loathing. Holko, Edmilson, WampaRat and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,043 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 7 hours ago, WampaRat said: It took me a bit to get into a “less fun/dower” Star Wars show. Had it not been linked to Star Wars I probably would have dug it a bit sooner. Its tough for me to reconcile the gee-wiz escapism of what I always felt Star Wars was with this grim/seedy take. (I never got into all the expanded Universe stuff btw) Its almost like their aim was “Lets attempt to do a Star Wars story with the heft of Breaking Bad or The Wire.” Yay(?) But I also have to admit, it’s kinda cool. I’ll see where it goes. I think I may be in the same boat if this show hadn't come at the perfect time where I'd just seen continuous failures attempting to capture that feel that I'm like 'finally something that isn't trying to do what all the other shows are trying to do, and that it's actually doing that different thing quite well' WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: If you'd have told me when I was a kid that we'd have multiple Star Wars/Star Trek/Marvel/Lord of the Rings series running concurrently when I grew up, I'd have sworn you came from a future in which the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth had been firmly established. Instead, there's just emotions ranging from "that's OK" to passive disinterest to utter loathing. Same! haha. I think a crucial ingredient all these reboots/requels have forgotten is scarcity. Nobody in charge wants to let these IPs breathe a bit. Heaven forbid a couple of years pass between projects before they produce something new. But it’s a pipeline now. They have to be constantly manufacturing “content”. Remember how there were at least 3-4 years between Star Wars Films? And then like a 20 year break in between trilogies? I think one of the few IPs to hold to that sort of Strategy are the Bond films. Which is why those tend to be an event in some ways (but guaranteed not to last long!) But we live in a “Christmas every day” scenario now. Some things are special because they only come along once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 4 hours ago, crocodile said: Watched the first two episodes. Didn't hate it but wasn't too engaged either. The execution is sound, probably better than that of most D+ shows so far, but I am really not that excited about the core concept. So it is an odd one. We shall see. I saw three in one go and i think 15 minutes into the third it gets up to speed. That there's no urgency before might be a case of 'we have to fill 8 hours but only have a story for 4', which i experienced on quite a few tv series (not only) lately. The Blade Runner vibe is OK with me, as i don't care much for SW in the first place. Either Disney/Lucasfilm just re-invented brand-building, or they are just really bad at it remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,612 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 I actually liked episode 3 a little less than the first two - felt less like basking in the world and more like Plot. Still pretty good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 We watched just episode 1 last night (my wife and I aren't "binge" kinda people, we watch shows an episode at a time). I liked it! It's solid setup for who this character is and the desperate, paranoid world he inhabits. I liked the basic plot of "Cassian commits murder and is now trying to stage his disappearance off the grid" and I liked what we find out thus far about this mysterious "corporation" that seems to be the major power in this sector, along with the little hint of the tenuous relationship between the corporation and the Empire. Looking forward to watching episode 2 tonight. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,045 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 ‘Andor’ Creator Tony Gilroy Urged His Team to Put Aside Their ‘Star Wars’ Reverence WampaRat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Yeah. It definitely it feels like it. I will say this show definitely has the strongest “point of view” of any previous SW Disney Plus show. Probably not since Last Jedi has it rattled the expectations of “what Star Wars Is” etc. There’s room for nostalgia. There’s room for new takes. I like that I can pick and choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 640 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 As many have said, the pace is very slow for the first three episodes, really feel a lot of it could of been condensed into an one hour or so episode. But it is a breath of fresh air for a Star Wars show to take it's time, just not maybe this much . Still not sure what the Corporate people are or their relationship with the Empire, but they actually seem competent for the most part and not cartoonishly evil. For Andor himself, he seems to be pretty much the same character as he is in Rogue One, so wondering if there's going to be more flashbacks to fill in how he got to be where he is. Overall though I did enjoy it and will stick with it. On 23/09/2022 at 8:14 PM, WampaRat said: Yeah. It definitely it feels like it. I will say this show definitely has the strongest “point of view” of any previous SW Disney Plus show. Probably not since Last Jedi has it rattled the expectations of “what Star Wars Is” etc. There’s room for nostalgia. There’s room for new takes. I like that I can pick and choose. A big problem is nobody can agree on "what Star Wars is" or what makes a Star Wars well Star Wars, feels like a lot recently has been nostalgia bait and the new takes being mostly incoherent for both story and action. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,002 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 I hear a lot of people use “world building” when defending the pacing. Makes Lucas’ efficiency at “world building” in the original film all the more astonishing. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 640 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Andy said: I hear a lot of people use “world building” when defending the pacing. Makes Lucas’ efficiency at “world building” in the original film all the more astonishing. Not sure how that effects the pacing? Lot's of drawn out shots that could easily be trimmed down or even cut altogether. Even if the main goal was world building it still feels like I don't really know anything about Ferrix or Morlana One, well Ferrix seems to be a junk planet of sorts and no idea what Morlana One is but "Corporate" is based there, but who are they and how is their own security able to act on different planets? So far in the near 2 hours of Andor I know less about these worlds than Lucas managed in nearly the same amount of time for ANH. For the characters a lot is really well established in the first episode, but the second feels like padding than any actual development, with the third being the most impactful to them. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,002 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said: So far in the near 2 hours of Andor I know less about these worlds than Lucas managed in nearly the same amount of time for ANH. Precisely. Look at all of the exposition and universe building that was done (with likable characters!) in the first half of Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,043 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 Hour and a half of Andor, which is 3 episodes out of a 12 episode TV show. Can we stop comparing apples to oranges? Why in the name of Chobb would you behold Andor to the same pacing standards as a product where that's literally half the allotted run-time. Lucas managed to do it quite deftly in ANH don't get me wrong, and there's definitely some cross-over with what could be achieved in a TV show, but the comparison as presented is wholly inappropriate Pax Morlana Corporate Security is a private organization the Empire contracts for a section of the galaxy where they currently don't have much presence there. Ferrix is inside the corporate zone of Pax Morlana, and is implied to usually be fairly hands off in terms of on-ground forces but micro-manages the hell out of the planet from a distance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,713 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 It seems the main problem here - speaking as someone who haven’t seen an episode of Andor - is that it’s not very good? If it were, no one would have a problem with lack of world building, pacing, “it doesn’t feel like Star Wars” etc etc. It’s not inherently good or bad just because it’s Star Wars. Any thing can be good or bad. In this case, it seems Disney hasn’t managed to deliver 100 %. Fans just want a thing they can enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,002 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 For me, it's more a case of not being fun to watch. I really don't care what happens next. It's well made in some aspects I guess. I like that they're not using those claustrophobic LED virtual sets. If I can be honest and bare my soul for a bit. I'm getting a taste of my own medicine. I'm finally seeing what it's like to have a Star Wars project really turn me off. I was born in 72, so up until now, I enjoyed most all of it. The Sequels, Prequels, spinoffs, Clone Wars, Mandoverse. And now I'm finally getting to see what it's like to be on the other side when it doesn't fit my criteria (mostly, that it be fun). Andor HAS to get better than the first 3 episodes, but for the time at least I can empathize with all the disappointed people over the years who felt like someone took their toys and played with them "wrong". I guess I'm happy(?) that fans finally got their dark, gritty Star Wars. But if I want to watch Blade Runner, I have two of those movies and countless imitators. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted September 25, 2022 Share Posted September 25, 2022 The thing is really, this andor character is not likable at all, nor in most of rogue one either… who can relate to him… petty criminals? Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,043 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 12 hours ago, rough cut said: It seems the main problem here - speaking as someone who haven’t seen an episode of Andor - is that it’s not very good? If it were, no one would have a problem with lack of world building, pacing, “it doesn’t feel like Star Wars” etc etc. It’s not inherently good or bad just because it’s Star Wars. Any thing can be good or bad. In this case, it seems Disney hasn’t managed to deliver 100 %. Fans just want a thing they can enjoy. There hasn't really been substantial arguments made as to why it's bad, so much of it seems to be taste-based, and that's because the show is very well put together so far. Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett and Obi Wan are easy to shred to pieces regardless of whether you feel like they're Star Wars or not (for the record, I don't), and unlike those shows the verisimilitude of Andor's world and characters is very strong To re-iterate though, these responses are understandable, and the show isn't trying to be for every Star Wars fan (you could even say it's somewhat aimed at some non-Star Wars fans) which is why it's actually succeeding at appealing to a, hopefully not too niche, audience The 'it's not fun' argument is mind-numbing because I don't think you could create a less universal metric if you tried. Although generally I would wager that in order for something to be fun you'd need to be invested in the world and characters, and so that argument puts the cart before the horse because it's the incoherency of those things in the other Star Wars shows that stops it from being fun and instead makes it either confusing, frustrating, or hilarious for all the wrong reasons. In that respect Andor is quite fun to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WampaRat 1,105 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 It’s interesting to see the criticism/discourse of this show having a lot in common with the criticism/discourse around the Rings of Power show. (Pacing issues, world building, Is it the “spirit” of the *insert IP* or does it go too far?” Etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DarthDementous 1,043 Posted September 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, WampaRat said: It’s interesting to see the criticism/discourse of this show having a lot in common with the criticism/discourse around the Rings of Power show. (Pacing issues, world building, Is it the “spirit” of the *insert IP* or does it go too far?” Etc) On the surface the discourse may look similar but having seen both I know it's coming from very very different places. The shows themselves are pretty much polar opposites WampaRat, Holko and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,282 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 As a Star Wars fan you get wet eyes, when you see how the producers of Rings of Power stick stylistically to the Jackson movies, also musically, and telling a new/old story at the same time. For the SW shows I wished always for something conservative stylistically and innovative in stories, world building and characters. Kenobi was the complete opposite and badly made. Mando and BoBF were too much fan service and copy paste. Andor is probably the best that we are going to get in that sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,401 Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: As a Star Wars fan you get wet eyes, when you see how the producers of Rings of Power stick stylistically to the Jackson movies, also musically, and telling a new/old story at the same time. As a Tolkien fan you get wet eyes because of how shitty it is. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,282 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Holko said: As a Tolkien fan you get wet eyes because of how shitty it is. Yes. I heard about that. By the way, for my taste the alien quota at the characters with talking roles is too low in Andor. Since Return of the Jedi or latest since the prequels I am expecting there a little more diversity. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,043 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 hours ago, GerateWohl said: As a Star Wars fan you get wet eyes, when you see how the producers of Rings of Power stick stylistically to the Jackson movies, also musically, and telling a new/old story at the same time. Having watched Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers recently, dear god no. The orchestral focused score is nice though, but it rarely resembles Shore's work. The only show I look towards and weep for Star Wars' musical identity is The Orville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,002 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 hours ago, GerateWohl said: By the way, for my taste the alien quota at the characters with talking roles is too low in Andor. Since Return of the Jedi or latest since the prequels I am expecting there a little more diversity. 2 hours ago, DarthDementous said: The only show I look towards and weep for Star Wars' musical identity is The Orville I just finished the Orville literally the day before Andor. The difference could not be more apparent. With the penultimate episode of the Orville, they managed to do Star Wars better than Star Wars. Somehow the people in charge of Wars and Trek act like it's a major chore to make fun aliens and people in colorful masks or makeup. Meanwhile the Orville is a rainbow of aliens that populate the screen. Some used only once, but to great effect. Admittedly the Orville aliens are often on the comedic end of the spectrum, but not always. I can tell you first hand as an OG SW fan, everyone's favorite scene was the Cantina. "Look at that guy!" "Oh wow, look at them!" "Hahah check out that dude!" With SW these days, if there is an alien walking around in a grey generic earth planet crowd, it's usually repurposed from the stash of Sequel costumes they saved. The Orville is the little show that could. A 90-something piece orchestra, banging out music both joyful and wondrous and exciting, with legacy fan composers. Recorded on the 20th Century Fox sound stage. Disney can't afford that for Star Wars? Are they all so intimidated by Williams that they just give up? Aliens aside, the only thing that's gonna save Andor for me is the character that Kenner deemed too boring to make an action figure of, and instead decided her friend General Madine was the plastic embodiment of excitement. Nick1Ø66 and Tom Guernsey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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