Star Wars: Andor (2022) - released episode spoilers allowed

[Nick1Ø66 6,756]

On 2/5/2025 at 5:28 AM, DarthDementous said:

there is nothing weird about analysing Star Wars, and especially Andor through a sociopolitical lens

 

Not weird. Just tiresome.

[Hego-Damask-II 65]

9 hours ago, Tallguy said:

Is it just me or does Perrin seem more tolerable this "year"? (BBY 3.)

I've also found him much more pleasant; I think that's mainly because the entirety of his appearance, he was actively working with Mon. <Sigh> Yet another reason to be disappointed by the series' continuation being abbreviated into just one season...seeing the path that took him there would've been interesting. Based off that scene, he's certainly gotten more invested in politicking than he was in S1.

[Tallguy 5,653]

44 minutes ago, Hego-Damask-II said:

seeing the path that took him there would've been interesting.

 

I'm reading a fair amount of subtext (that may put may not be there) being that things changed at the wedding. I have no idea if they'll build on that or not.

[DarthDementous 1,424]

that's an interesting point, I hadn't thought about how Perrin may be changing. I assumed that speech was basically making more explicit that this was a dude that believed in so much but was broken by the hopeless state of the galaxy and now the only way he can live is to focus on the hedonism of it all and disengage from the world politically. he's right about the importance of joy though, as ultimately that's what the Rebellion is fighting for

I always thought that Perrin would start to change if he realized who Mon Mothma really was, not the centrist ineffectual senator, but the secretly radical funder of Rebellion groups; I feel like he'd have so much more respect for Mon and probably start questioning his own disillusionment and lack of action. that's one of the great tragic ironies of the show though, because Mon's home environment is so unsafe that she can never show that true side of herself
 

5 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

 

Not weird. Just tiresome.

I find it very interesting and necessary as Andor is basically begging you to look at things in this way. it's another layer in which to look at things on that engages more with the historical context of when these works were made as well as their influences. I pity the people who aren't able to set aside their weird political baggage because it's a very fruitful realm of analysis that asks important questions like 'well, things were always this way in the past...but why was this case and is it valid to continue doing it this way?' which is how franchises evolve rather than stagnate and die

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22 minutes ago, DarthDementous said:

that's an interesting point, I hadn't thought about how Perrin may be changing. I assumed that speech was basically making more explicit that this was a dude that believed in so much but was broken by the hopeless state of the galaxy and now the only way he can live is to focus on the hedonism of it all and disengage from the world politically. he's right about the importance of joy though, as ultimately that's what the Rebellion is fighting for

I always thought that Perrin would start to change if he realized who Mon Mothma really was, not the centrist ineffectual senator, but the secretly radical funder of Rebellion groups; I feel like he'd have so much more respect for Mon and probably start questioning his own disillusionment and lack of action. that's one of the great tragic ironies of the show though, because Mon's home environment is so unsafe that she can never show that true side of herself
 

I find it very interesting and necessary as Andor is basically begging you to look at things in this way. it's another layer in which to look at things on that engages more with the historical context of when these works were made as well as their influences. I pity the people who aren't able to set aside their weird political baggage because it's a very fruitful realm of analysis that asks important questions like 'well, things were always this way in the past...but why was this case and is it valid to continue doing it this way?' which is how franchises evolve rather than stagnate and die

Maybe Nick thinks it's no lomger valid to continue analyzing star wars this way? (Jk)

[Gabriel Bezerra 631]

11 hours ago, Tallguy said:

Is it just me or does Perrin seem more tolerable this "year"? (BBY 3.)

 

1 hour ago, Hego-Damask-II said:

I've also found him much more pleasant; I think that's mainly because the entirety of his appearance, he was actively working with Mon.

You reminded me that their scene in the car mirrors their scene in Season 1 (camera panning away from Mon through the window and into the city) and their dynamic is way different, less digging at each other and more collaborative. We joked here that he saw her dancing and that reignited something in him.

 

There was another scene that looked like it mirrored something from Season 1, but it escapes me now. Similar plot beats (Andor goes to an inexperienced rebel group and the arc ends with an heist) notwithstanding.

[Jay 42,389]

Andor 2x05  Have Friends Everywhere

 

This was great, I feel like every storyline and character advanced in a meaningful way, well, except Mon Mothma who sat the episode out entirely!  Now I am wondering if that weird montage from the previous episode was actually combining scenes originally intended for that episode and this one smooshed together.  I'm really curious how her story for the year will close out next episode.

 

I really enjoyed Andor being undercover on Ghorman!  This to me was finally something different and new for him to do is what I was hoping (I was hoping for a lot of the second season to do different things than the first did, and the first arc didn't do enough for me).  I like this smooth character he was playing and it was fun seeing him interact with the leader of the Ghorman Front. He wisely tells them how good the Imperials are at providing fake info, but they are convinced Syril is on their side. Oh boy.... Lucky for Andor, Syril has left Ghorman by the time he gets there so isn't in danger of being seen. Him and Dedra have another good scene with Partagaz.  Of course the transports the Ghorman Front are plotting to rob don't actually have anything valuable; Hope we get to see a cool heist sequence next episode anyway!

 

I didn't see it coming that Luthen is the supplier of Bix's drugs.  I hope he knows what he's doing.  His other storyline this episode was more interesting, with Kleya overhearing that Sculdun got scammed by a fake and now now be inspecting all of his recent acquisitions, uncovering a microphone Luthen & Kleya have planted there.  I was a bit confused on why they were so sure it would lead right to them (they are smart enough to hide a microphone but not to make it untraceable?), but I'll go with it.  Really curious to see how this plays out next episode!

 

The part of the episode that was the least effective for me was Saw & Wil.  Maybe because they are tertiary characters with no main or even secondary characters involved in it.  I have no idea if the guy Wil taught to use the macguffin was actually a spy or Saw is just going crazy, but at least this huffing of fuel fumes is some kind of explanation for why Saw is much weirder this season than last.  I've never seen whatever animated show he's from, and I have seen Rogue One but don't remember many details from it, so perhaps when I re-watch it after this season things will make more sense to me.

 

PS Did anyone notice the opening logo music was mostly replaced by the various things Kleya listens to on her radio thingy?  Or are you all "Skip Credits" people?

[Holko 11,382]

9 minutes ago, Jay said:

PS Did anyone notice the opening logo music was mostly replaced by the various things Kleya listens to on her radio thingy? 

Yeah, that was interesting.

 

10 minutes ago, Jay said:

I was a bit confused on why they were so sure it would lead right to them (they are smart enough to hide a microphone but not to make it untraceable?), but I'll go with it. 

I assumed they gave the piece to him with the microphone hidden, and so they'd be the first and only lead to suspect.

[Gabriel Bezerra 631]

19 minutes ago, Jay said:

Did anyone notice the opening logo music was mostly replaced by the various things Kleya listens to on her radio thingy?  Or are you all "Skip Credits" people?

That was fun! Not as fun on album though. Kleya's DJing is receiving a lot of focus, wonder if it'll be significant beyond this arc.

[Tallguy 5,653]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

I didn't see it coming that Luthen is the supplier of Bix's drugs. 

 

I didn't see that at all. Double checked with daughter. She didn't see it either. Luthen RECOGNIZES it when he sees the empty vial on the table.

 

Did we miss something else?

[Gabriel Bezerra 631]

Yeah, we didn't read it like that as well. It just looks like he knows from experience what these drugs do.

[Jay 42,389]

2 hours ago, Holko said:

I assumed they gave the piece to him with the microphone hidden, and so they'd be the first and only lead to suspect.

 

Oh right. Duh. That explains it.

 

2 hours ago, Tallguy said:

Luthen RECOGNIZES it when he sees the empty vial on the table.

 

Oh my mistake. I must have looked away when he picked up the empty one and thought he brought his own new one. My bad!

[Tallguy 5,653]

Was that scene with Luthen and Bix the first time we've seen them on screen together? Which is wild since it was connection to him that was one of the things that started this whole roller coaster.

[Jay 42,389]

Nope, they had a scene together in the first arc when he goes to Ferrix.  She tells him that Preox-Morlana is looking for Cassian, he says they're looking for someone matching his description, and that Andor is officially from Fest.  Then he goes off to the warehouse where he'll meet Cassian and she goes back to her store

[JazzyNips 79]

Just watched 7. By my count, this is the first time the force has been mentioned. I was hopeful we'd get through the series without any voodoo. I wonder how long before "you'll be dead" guy shows up.

 

You can really feel how hard they're trying to pad this out to 12 episodes. So much of the drama is contrived - most of the conflict exists because Cassian is perpetually angry for no reason. In the same episode, he spends half of it angry that someone wants him to leave, and then gets angry that people don't want him to leave. His beef with Luthen is that...he showed up and talked to Bix? Now he's back on Ghorman, which is what Luthen wanted in the first place. Pretty sure you could skip the last episode without missing anything important. 

[DarthDementous 1,424]

9 hours ago, JazzyNips said:

Just watched 7. By my count, this is the first time the force has been mentioned. I was hopeful we'd get through the series without any voodoo, but this season seems to be pandering more to the low IQ crowd. I wonder how long before "you'll be dead" guy shows up.

 

You can really feel how hard they're trying to pad this out to 12 episodes. So much of the drama is contrived - most of the conflict exists because Cassian is perpetually angry for no reason. In the same episode, he spends half of it angry that someone wants him to leave, and then gets angry that people don't want him to leave. His beef with Luthen is that...he showed up and talked to Bix? Now he's back on Ghorman, which is what Luthen wanted in the first place. Pretty sure you could skip the last episode without missing anything important. 

from this post it's pretty clear the only person that's part of the low IQ crowd is yourself

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2 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

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13 hours ago, JazzyNips said:

I wonder how long before "you'll be dead" guy shows up.

 

They need a better composer for this. 

[JazzyNips 79]

episode 8 - pretty shameless to just rehash Rix Road, but at least there was actual build up to it this time. plus we get to see where Lando's sex robot that other robot from Rogue One came from. Glad that mystery was solved

 

episode 9 - The empire sure isn't very good at securing their own buildings. Seems like they could have nabbed Mothma right off the elevator. Maybe Luke didn't need Ben's voodoo powers to escape the Death Star after all. 

 

I have no idea why they brought Bix back this season, her story went nowhere. Syril's had potential, but his departure seems more like the result of a booking issue or contract dispute. 

[Holko 11,382]

Fucking hell. That was heavy.

[tomsmoviemadness 4,249]

I can't believe this show was able to make me care so much about Dedra, a sociopath. Wow wow wow

[Edmilson 10,474]

19 minutes ago, tomsmoviemadness said:

Wow wow wow... wow

Fixed.

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I was referring to Pitch Meeting actually.

 

 

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Okay, Ep. 7 & 8 were fantastic, but Ep. 9 might be my favorite of the entire series!!! Absolutely spectacular from beginning to end!

 

Loved how it tied into both Rogue One and a particular episode of Rebels.

 

Loved it!!

[Chen G. 5,148]

I don't get it...is it over? 'cause it feels like an ending.

 

I mean, I enjoyed it. But it feels over.

[Holko 11,382]

Ep8... man.

 

I knew I liked Ghorman but I didn't quite realise how much, in just a couple episodes. Add to that the previously discussed "people/culture coming together" aspect, the music (that anthem!!), the fact that this might have been the first arc I watched properly on the TV while alone at home, plus some pent up real world emotions/frustrations, some related to themes discussed in this arc, and... yeah. By the middle of the episode I was tearing up a bit like at Maarva's funeral march, but by the end I was properly ugly crying and shaking a bit, especially as the song came back for the credits, then transitioned into a subdued main theme.

 

I knew Syril wouldn't be OK with this with his sense of justice but it was surprising how much even Dedra was hating it, dissociating and focusing on what comes after, having to collect herself before the calls, and of course the ending. I wonder where she'll end up in the final arc.

[ddddeeee 486]

That was so harrowing. I cried at one point due to the dread. I cried when they sang. I cried a lot, actually.

 

Syril's face when Andor didn't know who he was was fantastic. Perfect ending for him.

 

Mothma saying genocide and us immediately cutting to Bail. Excellent.

 

I do agree that this all felt like a (really great) ending. Curious where this goes next week, but I'm a bit wary because some clunky prequelitis was starting to rear its head a bit.

[Chen G. 5,148]

It's a prequel. It's going to do the prequel thing.

 

Haven't minded it thus far. But of course endings are tricky to land regardless so we'll see.

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fair, but did you also issue a warning to the person I was responding to that initiated the personal attacks in the first place?

I'm blocking him anyway for the sake of my sanity, I can only take so many wildly off-base remarks

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7 minutes ago, DarthDementous said:

I can only take so many wildly off-base remarks non Disney-approved^TM opinions

 

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2 hours ago, Holko said:

By the middle of the episode I was tearing up a bit like at Maarva's funeral march, but by the end I was properly ugly crying and shaking a bit, especially as the song came back for the credits, then transitioned into a subdued main theme.

 

I knew Syril wouldn't be OK with this with his sense of justice but it was surprising how much even Dedra was hating it, dissociating and focusing on what comes after, having to collect herself before the calls, and of course the ending. I wonder where she'll end up in the final arc.

I thought I was losing my mind by how much I just openly and loudly wept and sobbed at the end but it's good to know that episode was just that affecting. I'm never going to forget the scene with Syril choking Dedra out of abject horror and Dedra completely breaking down at the end as the weight of what she's enabled hits her all at once

I don't think I've ever had a watching experience like it, what made it especially intense is that I've been having issues with hypertension in my upper body, and because of how much that entire episode made me clench my muscles, right around the point the massacre started and Syril absolutely gunned it for Andor the muscle tension was starting to cut off my blood-flow so I felt like I was nearly going to faint. certainly made it more immersive as if I was actually in the chaos of that plaza but jesus christ, I seriously considered whether I should've just waited to watch episode 9 another time but my body eventually calmed down so I persisted

I was in a slight fugue state for episode 9 so that's definitely going to need a rewatch

legitimately can't stop thinking about this arc even the day after watching, wasn't ever expecting Star Wars of all things to traumatize me

[Gabriel Bezerra 631]

Watched Rebels right after it. A bit of a whiplash but it fits so well story-wise. Not sure if the coming freighter they mentioned in Yavin was meant to be the Ghost, I hope not, they haven't left Chooper base yet.

 

It's so weird to be reminded that Thrawn is happening at the same time...

 

(Not sure how I feel seeing future-K2 killing people left and right)

[DarthDementous 1,424]

38 minutes ago, Gabriel Bezerra said:

(Not sure how I feel seeing future-K2 killing people left and right)

when people said this was the arc K2 was going to be introduced, I was not expecting it to be like that. was I imagining it or was that Ghorman Front lady's neck completely bent the other way when she landed after being launched in the air? chilling stuff

[Jay 42,389]

Andor 2x06 What a Festive Evening

 

Yup, the next set of episodes is already out and I only just saw this one.  Damn Disney and this dumb release schedule for this season!

 

Wow, this is a fantastic episode.  It was SO gripping, I was on the edge of my seat for the first real time this season and I loved it.  The intercutting between the heist and Kleya trying to replace the part of the "book" that the microphone was in was SO tense!  It is kind of impressive that you have this big elaborate heist with tons of people and logistics involved going on, yet I'm MORE gripped up by someone trying to screw something in place without the enemy noticing, and without your mole blowing his cover.  Just fanTAStic!

 

The heist of course pales in comparison to the amazing Aldhani heist from season 1, yet it wasn't meant to be, nor does it try to be - it's a whole different thing.  This time we know its all an elaborate trap by the Empire, the kind of deep trap where they don't just want to let it happen in order to capture them, but they want them to get away with it to grow hope that the Ghorman Front will eventually defeat the Empire which just... I don't think think that's going to happen, and it's going to be sad.

Also sad is the death of Cinta   I was SO happy to finally see her back in action, finally reunite with Vel, and have them actually rekindle things.  It didn't even occur to me that this was the common prestige TV thing of highlighting a character before killing them off, so well played, writers.  First Brasso, now Cinta, they are really killing off all my favorites this season   I guess this was inevitable with so many great characters from this show going unmentioned in Rogue One, but damn!

 

I really enjoyed the opening sequence with Andor and Luthen flying from Ghorman to Coruscant together and having a conversation; These guys don't get a lot of scenes together but they always have a unique energy I really like.  Andor is very wise in his assessment that the Ghorman Front isn't ready, and I'm not sure I understand why Luthen wants them to complete the heist anyway. I guess its because he knows something really important is going on at Ghorman since he knows Dedrea is overseeing it, but I don't know if that's the only reason or not.  I liked that he sent Vel and Cinta to oversee it because they totally would have failed without them, I believe.  And Vel gave the right command that no one should have a blaster except her and Cinta.  Why didn't they pat down everything to verify!  Cinta's death was so pointless and avoidable, but WOW, her reaction when tearing a new one at the guy who caused it was a spectacularly acted scene.  This show excels at this kind of human drama caused by the resistance they believe in.  I love it.

 

Bix had a weird storyline this arc but I suppose her snapping out of her stupid, torturing Dr. Gorst, then blowing up his building means she's be back to normal when we jump forward another yet.  I did think it was strange that they blew up the building, since doesn't it make the torture less effective if he only has to live with it for a short while before dying?

 

Andor's anger towards Luthen was a bit out of nowhere, I guess that means not as developed as I would have liked.  I guess for me it's because the context of why Bix is the way she is now mostly happened off-screen and they suddenly became a devoted couple between arc as well, so its been harder for me to connect to them.  I think the implication is that Luthen thinks everyone should cut off their attachments like he has because it only gets in the way of the work, but then I think he relented and changed his mind on that in the end.  Because I think the only way she would have known where Gorst was, is through intel from Lonni, which he must have gotten off-screen.  So I guess next arc we'll see Andor and Bix on a mission together, even though that just didn't work out for Vel and Cinta.  We'll see!

 

Speaking of Lonni, I LOVED his scenes this week with Kleya.  This actor really plays this guy stuck in an impossible position so well and Kleya handled him I think as best as she possibly could.  This whole thing was a massive risk and she was simply all in on it until it was done, literally giving her own blood to do so.  I loved it all.  I can't wait to see how the writers end Lonny's arc on this show!

 

Mon Mothma really had very little to do this arc, and her senate scenes in this episode again felt awkwardly paced/rushed, like they were cutdown from a longer sequence.  I wonder if we'll learn that she had a whole subplot this arc that they cut.  The later Skuldun scene was really good though, her tet-a-tet with Krennic was really cool.  It was a surprise, but a welcome one, to see him again this episode, and I was reminded how GOOD Ben Mendelsohn is!  In the first episode he mostly just led a meeting, which was all fine and good and I really enjoyed it. But the different atmosphere and circumstances where he spoke and interacted here was much more of a better use of Mendelsohn's talents.  It's great they got him for the show.

 

OK, what was the point of that incredibly tiny cameo scene with Bail Organa?  If Jimmy Smitts couldn't or wouldn't do it, or the de-aging was too expensive or something, WHY replace him with Benjamin Bratt instead of just cutting the scene?  I was baffled.  Anyone know what's going on here?

Oh, and about the arc in general... I know the Ghorman Front is based on the French Resistance and all, but were they literally speaking French?  They were all doing basically French accents of course, but I thought when they spoke in their native tongue and were subtitled, I heard some actual French words.  Probably not but it seemed like it.

[Gabriel Bezerra 631]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

I'm not sure I understand why Luthen wants them to complete the heist anyway. I guess its because he knows something really important is going on at Ghorman since he knows Dedrea is overseeing it, but I don't know if that's the only reason or not. 

His reasoning is the same as Aldhani, make things worse to draw attention.

 

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

OK, what was the point of that incredibly tiny cameo scene with Bail Organa?

They wanted the recast to get out of the way of his appearance in last night's episodes, for people to get used to it.

 

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

Oh, and about the arc in general... I know the Ghorman Front is based on the French Resistance and all, but were they literally speaking French?  They were all doing basically French accents of course, but I thought when they spoke in their native tongue and were subtitled, I heard some actual French words.  Probably not but it seemed like it.

Like on Cas' origin planet, it's fake French said by French actors.

[Meredith McKay 7,859]

9 minutes ago, Jay said:

Andor 2x06 What a Festive Evening

 

OK, what was the point of that incredibly tiny cameo scene with Bail Organa?  If Jimmy Smitts couldn't or wouldn't do it, or the de-aging was too expensive or something, WHY replace him with Benjamin Bratt instead of just cutting the scene?  I was baffled.  Anyone know what's going on here?

Yes, they placed that scene here, so people would be able to get over the recasting

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by the time he shows up later.

 

[Jay 42,389]

 

On 02/05/2025 at 6:31 AM, Romão said:

I'm well behind all of you, but I've just finished watching Episode 6 of the first season and that was a real stunner. I was already pretty much on board with this show with the first story arc, but the Heist really brought to whole new level. Loved the setting, found it to be really engrossing and evocative, very tactile, and I loved the ISB interludes and how the slower pace before the heist really lets us delve a bit deeper on each member of the team. Every episode has quite a few memorable lines of dialogue (the writing is one of the strongest aspects, thus far). And I must say, after they spend nearly 3 episodes hyping up how The Eye phenomenon is the most incredible sight, I was actually amazed on how the show did not only deliver on that promise, but actually exceeded the very high expectations it had set. What a sequence that was.

 

I was shocked when Andor shot Skeen and I still wonder if it wasn't an incredibly impulsive decision, as I was really convinced, during that climatic scene, that Skeen was really trying to test Andor's loyalty and principles to the limit and I wasn't really intending on running away with all the loot. But that ambiguity is far more interesting.

 

This might not be purest distillation of what Star Wars started out as, but it's easily the best thing that carries the Star Wars name to come out in decades. I'm loving it

 

Yes!  Well said!

And yes!  When I watched The Eye sequence on this rewatch, I realized that I would only ever watch it again via the 4K UHD discs they released and not the Disney+ streaming compression ever again.  What a beautiful and colorful scene!

 

On 03/05/2025 at 5:58 PM, Hego-Damask-II said:

I've also found him much more pleasant; I think that's mainly because the entirety of his appearance, he was actively working with Mon. <Sigh> Yet another reason to be disappointed by the series' continuation being abbreviated into just one season...seeing the path that took him there would've been interesting. Based off that scene, he's certainly gotten more invested in politicking than he was in S1.

 

Yes I think this arc was hurt the most of scrunching their four season plan down to 1 season of 4 year-arcs.  Well based on what I've seen so far.  We hear Cassian/Bix and Cinta talk about things that we didn't get to see that seem really important, and we get Mothma and Perrin barely in this probably because they didn't find a way to fit the story they would have done for them in this year in this new time format.  Oh well.

 

22 minutes ago, Gabriel Bezerra said:

They wanted the recast to get out of the way of his appearance in last night's episodes, for people to get used to it.

 

Well that makes sense and is smart.

 

It's too bad Jimmy Smitts couldn't do it.

 

22 minutes ago, Gabriel Bezerra said:

Like on Cas' origin planet, it's fake French said by French actors.

 

Huh, I didn't notice any French words in those Kenari flashbacks but I'll take your word for it

[Gabriel Bezerra 631]

9 minutes ago, Jay said:

Huh, I didn't notice any French words in those Kelari flashbacks but I'll take your word for it

It wasn't French, it was a bunch o Latin-based languages mixed, I connected it to Ghor because both were made up purposefully to evoke pre existing ones.

[Jay 42,389]

4 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

fair, but did you also issue a warning to the person I was responding to that initiated the personal attacks in the first place?

I'm blocking him anyway for the sake of my sanity, I can only take so many wildly off-base remarks

 

I hadn't actually read all the back-and-forth arguments you two were having since I was way behind on the show, but I did just read them all now.

I think its awkward reading two people argue so much like you two were, but things didn't elevate to a direct, personal attack until the one you receive a warning for.

 

It's fine and great to have different opinions on media and to discuss things back and forth, just don't take things personal and don't make personal attacks while doing so.  This goes to everyone!  Thank you!

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33 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

I hadn't actually read all the back-and-forth arguments you two were having since I was way behind on the show, but I did just read them all now.

I think its awkward reading two people argue so much like you two were, but things didn't elevate to a direct, personal attack until the one you receive a warning for.

 

It's fine and great to have different opinions on media and to discuss things back and forth, just don't take things personal and don't make personal attacks while doing so.  This goes to everyone!  Thank you!

that's fair and it was ultimately an unproductive pursuit anyway so I'm much happier disengaging from that particular argument so the discussion environment is better for all

for the sake of fairness I will point out the last message I responded to was edited after the fact, so if people want to see the particular message I responded to then take a look at the quote

[Holko 11,382]

8 hours ago, Holko said:

 

I knew Syril wouldn't be OK with this with his sense of justice but it was surprising how much even Dedra was hating it, dissociating and focusing on what comes after, having to collect herself before the calls, and of course the ending. I wonder where she'll end up in the final arc.

I also loved that little introductory bit with Syril playing with his spider toys. He's grown attached to the place and just wants to help it, even if as an unsung hero playing a little bit dirty but for a greater good. The Empire pushed away a good asset because of an open turn to raw evil just for power and control over any however thin veil of morals or ideals. And thinking back, Dedra's reaction to the group of riot cops just being kids hits harder, she knows they're there to be shot down intentionally and hesitates to give the order.

 

Also like how this show managed to make stormtroopers scary! Most of the time it's people we're dealing with, faces uncovered, personalities, backstories, lives, only when shit gets real do the faceless skeleton mask special forces come in.

[Knight of Ren 1,283]

Just watched episodes 7 and 8 and came here to say wow, that was brutal. I was expecting things to go wrong really soon in Ghorman but man, that was hard to watch. The way they slowly let you know the Empire's plans to escalate the conflict to justify their counterattack, and the way the tension builds through the whole sequence with the anthem and all... Loved it, but kept me clenching my fists the whole time. I'll probably watch episode 9 tomorrow but that was some of the best Star Wars stuff I've seen in quite some time.

 

Also, Roberts' music was on point!

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,856]

Beautiful Bix

[tomsmoviemadness 4,249]

I LOVED this part of Mothma's speech!

 

 

[Hego-Damask-II 65]

On 07/05/2025 at 9:12 PM, Jay said:

Andor is very wise in his assessment that the Ghorman Front isn't ready, and I'm not sure I understand why Luthen wants them to complete the heist anyway.

"It will burn...very brightly."

On 08/05/2025 at 12:19 PM, tomsmoviemadness said:

I LOVED this part of Mothma's speech!

 

 

I clapped like mad after she ended her hesitant pause with "is Emperor Palpatine!" Great speech.

On 08/05/2025 at 4:43 PM, Hego-Damask-II said:

"It will burn...very brightly."

Speaking of which, as much as Luthen may not seem as in control as in S1, I think his general schemes are carrying through in a way partially intended, partially accidental (Empire shooting itself in the foot)...Ghorman being the prime example. And while I've seen speculation about where Cassian and Luthen end up relative to each other in the last arc, all I can think of is Luthen's speech in S1. He knows perfectly well that his machinations will outlive him and given there isn't even a hint of his existence in R1, I have to wonder if he and his network were simply swept under the rug by the Alliance (not necessarily literally, rather in the vein of Draven sending Mothma off with Gold Squadron, etc.).

 

It's also realistically telling how it takes a massacre on a wealthy predominantly human population in the Colonies for public sentiment to start to shift against the Empire. And even then, broadcasting the truth was required or else the Imperial propaganda machine would have another victory.

[DarthDementous 1,424]

1 hour ago, Hego-Damask-II said:

I have to wonder if he and his network were simply swept under the rug by the Alliance (not necessarily literally, rather in the vein of Draven sending Mothma off with Gold Squadron, etc.).

I'm getting that feeling, and you're right about Luthen expecting this was always the direction things were going to go in. I hadn't really realized until this arc but Luthen is fundamentally incompatible with what the Rebel Alliance has become and yet he's such an important proto-phase of it, but his use especially by 1BBY I think is going to come to an end

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,856]

That scary lady who that Empire guy likes and now he lives with because he's such a player.

[JazzyNips 79]

Power of the force? Oh god, they're going to make her a Jedi aren't they 🤦