King Mark 2221 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 Just trying to make a list of the unexpanded Williams scores we don't have good sounding bootlegs or leaked sessions Just need the amount of unreleased music next to the score (as far as we know ) I'll add the numbers to the titles as you reply -Accidental Tourist -BFG -The Book Thief -Catch Me if You Can -Earthquake -The Eiger Sanction -Far and Away (don't count the bootleg) -Memoirs of a Geisha -Nixon -The Patriot -War Horse -Tintin 1) Expanded Release Important: -The Force Awakens- Probably a lot -Amistad -about 40 minutes -Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azcaban -45 minutes + many alternates(?) -Born on the fourth of July (don't count the bootleg) -about 25 minutes -Angela's Ashes- about 15 minutes -The Terminal- 10 minutes +many alternates -JFK - A lot -Images- 12 minutes -Monsignor-less than 5 minutes? + unused music? 2)Expanded Release Less Important (unless there's a lot of unused music and alternates) -Munich - 5 minutes + 1 long alternate -Always -about 5 minutes -Lincoln -less than 5 minutes -Presumed Innocent-less than 5 minutes -The River-less than 5 minutes -Sabrina -less than 5 minutes -Sleepers-less than 5 minutes -Stepmom -less than 5 minutes -Spacecamp- Docking fanfare + ? 1 Ricard reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corellian2019 184 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 Images is missing some music as well, albeit not more than 5-10 minutes' worth 1 Yavar Moradi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manakin Skywalker 1195 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 You're not going to be able to figure out how much of TFA is missing. Nobody knows. 1 Yavar Moradi reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasey Kockroach 2032 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 Enough missing to drive all of you crazy until the Mike Mattiesino dude comes to the rescue! 😜 2 Yavar Moradi and Þekþiþm reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arpy 2901 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 Quote -The Force Awakens 847 minutes approx. 6 Ricard, The Illustrious Jerry, That_Bloke and 3 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jurassic Shark 4158 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 Who cares? The OSTs are perfect. 1 1 Þekþiþm and ymenard reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Incanus 5063 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 26 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Who cares? The OSTs are perfect. 1 1 14 Yavar Moradi, Jurassic Shark, Ricard and 13 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arpy 2901 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Who cares? The OSTs are perfect. Shut up Thor- oh, it's you! 4 Bilbo, Kasey Kockroach, Yavar Moradi and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasey Kockroach 2032 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 10 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Who cares? The OSTs are perfect. 1 Jurassic Shark reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 350 Report post Posted November 10, 2018 There’s a short cue for solo guitar in Angela’s Ashes. Probably less than a minute long but I haven’t seen the film since it was released Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2221 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 that's it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 350 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 That's all I noticed. I only noticed it because I play guitar and knew there was no guitar in the OST. I wasn't specifically listening for unreleased music. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Þekþiþm 5676 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 All that music is missing for good reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasey Kockroach 2032 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 If it's missing from the album, it means the music sucks and the composer did you a favor leaving it out! 1 Þekþiþm reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Parker 2455 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 1 minute ago, kaseykockroach said: If it's missing from the album, it means the music sucks and the composer did you a favor leaving it out! Or that it just didn't fit in with the musical narrative the composer envisioned with the album! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasey Kockroach 2032 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 That's a slightly less snarky answer, yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Parker 2455 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 Keep the TV cue away from The Terminal album! 1 Not Mr. Big reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Þekþiþm 5676 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 I hate that stupid anthem in The Terminal OST. Should have been left off. But I like having CMIYC and The Terminal on my playlist when I'm travelling for work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naïve Old Fart 3604 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 Since they were rerecordings, THE EIGER SANCTION and EARTHQUAKE are all unreleased. THE ACCIDENTAL TOURIST is missing THE TRIP TO LONDON (film version), THE HEALING PROCESS (extended), and the music heard in the cinema. 1 Ricard reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brundlefly 1429 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 Always around 5 minutes Amistad around 40 minutes Angela's Ashes definitely more than 1 minute! I would say around 15 minutes, but I don't know Born on the Fourth of July around 25 minutes JFK an unestimateable amount of music, but it's a lot Munich around 5 minutes + one long alternate The Terminal around 10 minutes + many alternates Azkaban around 45 minutes + 45 minutes alternates? Less than 5 minutes: Lincoln, Presumed Innocent, Sleepers, The River, Sabrina, Stepmom 1 Ricard reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corellian2019 184 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 Presumed Innocent is tricky, because a majority of the music is derived from the main theme, and it's unclear, from memory, if the unreleased cues are simply tracked music, and if they replace other cues (ex. "Leon Talks"). The CD is definitely missing the main titles and the election night source music Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2221 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 feel free to add more or more precise calculations Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stefancos 10100 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 John Williams writes music every day. Even when he's not working. The majority of it will never be released. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2221 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 we'll empty his trashbins and record it 1 Ricard reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stefancos 10100 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 I doubt it will even be preserved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasey Kockroach 2032 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 If the complete scores were released in the first place, we’d just complain the OSTs are too long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2221 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 only you and a few others Just now, kaseykockroach said: If the complete scores were released in the first place, we’d just complain the OSTs are too long. 1 Ricard reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasey Kockroach 2032 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 And movie-wave. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Illustrious Jerry 2580 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/10/2018 at 3:27 AM, Manakin Skywalker said: You're not going to be able to figure out how much of TFA is missing. Nobody knows. I know. Too much, that's what's missing. Awaiting CR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5050 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 On 11/9/2018 at 8:12 PM, King Mark said: -Always -about 5 minutes Too many. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kasey Kockroach 2032 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 That’s more than twice what Saving Private Ryan was missing before LLL came to the rescue! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2221 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 You can also point out if an amazing highlight is missing from the OST , especially those with little unreleased music. That could still make a release worthwhile Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brundlefly 1429 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 Then add something like "an important cue that is very different from the rest of the score" to The Terminal. And Catch Me If You Can is basically unreleased, since the OST is kind of a re-recording, according to other members here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5050 Report post Posted November 11, 2018 Space Camp is missing a perky bouncy cue to accompany this beautiful scene: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corellian2019 184 Report post Posted November 19, 2018 Just updating my earlier post to say that Images is missing 12 minutes of music Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2221 Report post Posted November 19, 2018 ok anyone knows Tintin and BFG? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corellian2019 184 Report post Posted March 26, 2019 The Accidental Tourist=missing 5 minutes (possibly more, including the unused, unreleased wedding cue) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brundlefly 1429 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 The Patriot: 20-30 minutes Catch Me If You Can: the whole film score is either a different recording than on the album or a considerably different mix! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6556 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 On 11/20/2018 at 4:25 AM, King Mark said: ok anyone knows Tintin and BFG? Pretty substantial for Tintin because Williams essentially scored the film twice, one year apart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bollemanneke 1195 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 Huh? I never knew that. Are you saying he re-wrote most of it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stefancos 10100 Report post Posted March 27, 2019 He recorded a substantial portion of the score to an early cut of the film, then about a year later recorded it again for a tightened up cut. What you hear in the movie is a combination of both recording sessions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
