Jay 37,363 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 I think it was one of the last things recorded and whoever assembled the leak didn't have it crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I listened through both discs last week. It's a moving and reflective experience. I'm so happy to have the material on Disc 2. I particularly enjoyed Remembrances (alternate), I love the flute performance on the melody at the start. It's such a beautiful melody, that first leap of a minor 9th almost cries out, painfully beautiful. Sitting through both discs in one listening session, I can certainly understand why the unreleased source cues were not included. They serve their function in the film, but as a listening experience, I think they would have taken me out of the mood and flow of the score. The artwork is gorgeous, and the liner notes very interesting. It's interesting to imagine John Williams planning a family vacation and then finding out he'd need to spend his time writing this score at the place they rented...and how that impacted the score and his writing, by allowing him to have a serene location away from the business of L.A. to focus on getting the music right. Jay and Bespin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 The film version of "Schindler's Workforce" is one I've always wanted to have. I'm so happy to do so now. I remember listening to the OST as a kid and being puzzled at why the OST version sounds so much different than what's heard in the film. While musically, I prefer the more fleshed out OST version, the film version has its charms too. It's more raw, and unflinching. A wonderful and indispensable addition to the JW collection. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I have to admit it's something I can listen to only occasionally. I remember exactly the day I first heard this album -- 4th of September 2000. I was 15 and it was a particularly gloomy and rainy day. It was also a first day at my new school. So I felt bit all over the place already and the music crushed me. But I do love it. There's nothing else quite like his in his repertoire. There are many good and great drama scores in Williams' career but nothing quite matches the raw emotional power of this. What's odd, it isn't really a traditionally sentimental score. I always thought that it feels more like source music. I'm listening to this right now as well. It's track 13 of disc 1 now. And it puts me in the same mood again... I will hear the additional material in a moment. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 It's a gorgeous set for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 hours ago, crocodile said: I have to admit it's something I can listen to only occasionally. I remember exactly the day I first heard this album -- 4th of September 2000. I was 15 and it was a particularly gloomy and rainy day. It was also a first day at my new school. So I felt bit all over the place already and the music crushed me. But I do love it. There's nothing else quite like his in his repertoire. There are many good and great drama scores in Williams' career but nothing quite matches the raw emotional power of this. What's odd, it isn't really a traditionally sentimental score. I always thought that it feels more like source music. I never understood why it "crushed" so many people and why many people rarely listen to it, because it's so depressing. It's more melancholic and beautiful and doesn't affect me in this particular way. It's more of a pleasant sadness. Things like Sleepers, Rosewood and Presumed Innocent really make me depressive. More so Conan the Barbarian and La Califfa which destroys my mind every time I listen to it, which I cannot resist for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 On 12/14/2018 at 8:50 PM, Jay said: I'll add a tab that covers the source music and the recording sessions leak at some point I hope for now people are just enjoying listening to the new set as-is Well... in this case one can say that we have enjoyed disc 1 for 25 years... so if people want to assemble a more C&C presentation with film version of cues i couldnt blame them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 40 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: I never understood why it "crushed" so many people and why many people rarely listen to it, because it's so depressing. It's more melancholic and beautiful and doesn't affect me in this particular way. It's more of a pleasant sadness. You're describing World War II and the slaughter of millions of innocent people, one of the greatest tragedies of mankind, as "melancholic and beautiful" and "pleasantly sad." Even if the protagonist is a "good" Nazi that went against the herd and did good things, that's what it's really about! What the hell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John 2,032 Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Josh500 said: You're describing World War II and the slaughter of millions of innocent people, one of the greatest tragedies of mankind, as "melancholic and beautiful" and "pleasantly sad." Even if the protagonist is a "good" Nazi that went against the herd and did good things, that's what it's really about! What the hell! Josh, he's talking about Williams' score, not the actual Holocaust. Taikomochi, crumbs, greenturnedblue and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, John said: Josh, he's talking about Williams' score, not the actual Holocaust. Yeah, but the score was written for a film dealing with just that subject matter, and maybe it's not hard too understand that that's why some people may find it so depressing and crushing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The score is Williams's personal commentary on the subject matter. It is tragic, yet, because of forgiveness and hope within darkness, it is beautiful. All very human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 The score is beautiful in its sadness, crushing, oppressive, and overwhelmingly, unbearably tragic. I believe "Theme from Schindler's List" itself is more about humanity, kindness, and sacrifice, than about sadness per se. It's sad also, sure, but the sadness is more due to the whining, lonesome violin solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I can’t watch this movie too often, seen it twice ot three times, it destroys me everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2018 @Josh500, could you please stop these imputful, reproachful, statement-twisting comments. It is not a rare scenario that you twist somebody's words, comment them disdainfully and a few posts later you state the exact same thing that you just a few minutes ago critiziced populist-style. The offensive tone doesn't improve on the affair. And all that is just in addition to your arrogant comments which I'm not sure, whether they are serious or not. I hope your view on Germany and America is not really that one-dimensional as you often blatantly imply. Taikomochi, crumbs, Gurkensalat and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,108 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 One cannot deny the power of John Williams score on this one. No matter how many times you watch the movie or listen to it; its always an overwhelming experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Brundlefly said: @Josh500, could you please stop these imputful, reproachful, statement-twisting comments. It is not a rare scenario that you twist somebody's words, comment them disdainfully and a few posts later you state the exact same thing that you just a few minutes ago critiziced populist-style. The offensive tone doesn't improve on the affair. And all that is just in addition to your arrogant comments which I'm not sure, whether they are serious or not. I hope your view on Germany and America is not really that one-dimensional as you often blatantly imply. Aren't you overreacting a bit?! This is the thread for the score of Schindler's List! And we cannot even discuss or mention (even marginally) the Nazis and the Holocaust, without you taking it somehow personally or the wrong way? Here I simply reacted to your own statement. You're reading too much into it and getting needlessly upset, instead of just addressing what I said... Be respectful yourself, and I'll be respectful toward you as well! That's all. And a little advice: if you don't understand something (and I'm sure it happens from time to time), just ask, instead of assuming too much and writing asinine, offensive posts about it! Talk about arrogance! 2 hours ago, Amer said: One cannot deny the power of John Williams score on this one. No matter how many times you watch the movie or listen to it; its always an overwhelming experience. Agreed! And one tends to forget (or overlook) that Schindler's List is actually crammed full with music! Not just JW's score, but with source music, pop and folk music of that era, even сlassical music (that piano in the night scene) etc. A powerful combination of picture and music, that's for sure. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 @Josh500, I didn't feel personally attacked in this particular example, however, I wanted to draw your attention to the questionable tendencies of some of your posts. I don't wanna ignore you, because many of your posts, especially in the HP threads, are worth reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Incanus 5,714 Posted December 17, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2018 4 hours ago, Josh500 said: Aren't you overreacting a bit?! This is the thread for the score of Schindler's List! And we cannot even discuss or mention (even marginally) the Nazis and the Holocaust, without you taking it somehow personally or the wrong way? Here I simply reacted to your own statement. You're reading too much into it and getting needlessly upset, instead of just addressing what I said... Be respectful yourself, and I'll be respectful toward you as well! That's all. And a little advice: if you don't understand something (and I'm sure it happens from time to time), just ask, instead of assuming too much and writing asinine, offensive posts about it! Talk about arrogance! @Josh500. When a person claims he doesn't feel certain music in a certain way or doesn't understand why many people react to it in a different manner isn't a reason to basically accuse them of trivializing the holocaust or II World War. Which is what you basically said: 9 hours ago, Josh500 said: You're describing World War II and the slaughter of millions of innocent people, one of the greatest tragedies of mankind, as "melancholic and beautiful" and "pleasantly sad." Even if the protagonist is a "good" Nazi that went against the herd and did good things, that's what it's really about! What the hell! You don't see this as being at least a bit offensive on a personal level to Brundlefly? I don't think you can just say "Oh I didn't mean that with what I wrote. You should have asked for clarification before getting all upset." But let's get back to discussing the music itself now. Respectfully Your friendly neighbourhood Moderator pete, Bilbo and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Incanus said: @Josh500 But let's get back to discussing the music itself now. Respectfully Your friendly neighbourhood Moderator Duly noted and agreed! 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 I find the Schindlers Workforce Film Version track to be kind of mesmerizing. It's so effective at creating a specific mood, then keeping you in it for a while. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 30 minutes ago, Jay said: I find the Schindlers Workforce Film Version track to be kind of mesmerizing. You mean in contrast to the OST version? The film version is more sparsely orchestrated, I believe, it's really the same melody and structure, just the orchestration is different. The film version is a bit more unobtrusive, yet raw and clinically detached, I feel like, whereas the OST version is more fleshed out, and hence warmer and more emotional. The different part starts only at 0:42: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 Yup, that's exactly what I mean. I like both versions, but I feel the more empty and repetitive nature of the film version creates a more mesmerizing effect on me. And it was right to save all the warm music for the end of the film Demondm810 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesluckard 80 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Josh500 said: The film version is more sparsely orchestrated, I believe, it's really the same melody and structure, just the orchestration is different. The film version is a bit more unobtrusive, yet raw and clinically detached, I feel like, whereas the OST version is more fleshed out, and hence warmer and more emotional. Is the album version of "Schindler's Workforce" more richly orchestrated because it was only ever intended as an album version, where it wouldn't have to compete with dialogue and sound effects? Or were the takes that are combined into the album version truly early attempts at the actual film cues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,363 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2018 If you check out the session leak you can see (well, hear I guess) that they just kept re-recording The Money Exchange over and over again, with subtle changes to the orchestration in every take (and they didn't do the entire cue from start to end in every take either). Recruiting is way more straight forward; They seemingly nailed this almost 9 minute cue in 2 takes! Anyway, the OST combined a different set of takes, edited in different places, than the final film did. The only thing that seems to have been recorded specifically for the album is Jewish Town (Krakow Ghetto - Winter '41) aka The Journey To Krakow (Introduction And Theme). Even the Remembrances (With Itzhak Perlman) track one would assume was an album-only concert arrangement was clearly intended for the film originally as the sheet music has "20M4 End Credits" right on top. Here's some more detail I found, if you're interested: Remember the cues in question are 2M3/3M1 The Money Exchange 3M1B Recruiting And here's what's in the leak (on disc 1) 08 2M3-3M1 Take 36 (Original) (5:53) 09 2M3-3M1 Take 37 (New) (3:34) 10 2M3-3M1 Take 63 (Rev) (1:55) 11 2M3-3M1 Take 64 (Rev) (1:54) 12 3M1 Take 38-39 (New) (4:09) 13 3M1 Take 40 (New) (3:43) 14 3M1B Take 41 (8:41) 15 3M1B Take 42 (8:39) Here's some old notes from @Henry Buck on how they were edited together On 8/1/2008 at 9:06 PM, Henry Buck said: Well, I think this is how the album version of "Schindler's Workforce" goes: 2m3-3m1 rev tk63 at 1:44 2m3-3m1 tk36 (orig) 3:10-3:55 at 2:29 3m1 tk40 (new) 1:48-3:10 at 3:51 3m1 tk38-39 3:34-end at 4:19 3m1B tk42 2:35-7:00 at 7:53 3m1B tk41 7:00-7:56 at 8:39 3m1B tk42 7:56-end Every take features many variations in orchestration, so there are tons of "alternative" cues. It's so confusing that I've just included every single take on my edit of the set without an attempt to edit them together. But for the longest version: 2m3-3m1 rev mix on final note 2m3-3m1 tk36 (orig) mix on final note 3m1B tk41 or tk42 The album track "Schindler's Workforce" is made up of parts of "The Money Exchange" and "Recruiting." I believe it matches the film edit of "The Money Exchange," but it shortens "Recruiting." So the easiest thing to do might be to use the album version of "The Money Exchange" and the complete score version of "Recruiting." On 8/2/2008 at 8:14 PM, Henry Buck said: I've finally broken down all the "Schindler's Workforce" business. The Money Exchange: 2m3-3m1 tk36 (d1 t8) - original version 2m3-3m1 tk37 (d1 t9) - revision #1; replaces first 3:10 of original with 0:54 of new material based on main theme 2m3-3m1 tk38 (d1 t10 0:00-0:24) - botched take 2m3-3m1 tk39 (d1 t10 0:24-end) - revision #2; opening sustained note is much longer and other tempo variations in first 1:03, clarinet figure at 2:34 is deleted, clarinet figure at 3:20 is transposed downward by a minor 10th 2m3-3m1 tk40 (d1 t11) - revision #3; clarinet figure at 2:43 is reinstated, clarinet figure at 3:29 is transposed upward by a minor 3rd (making it an octave below the tk37 version) 2m3-3m1 tk63 & 64 - revision #4; includes only opening main theme material and extends it from 1:05 to 1:43 Recruiting: 3m1B tk41 & 42 Album version: 2m3-3m1 (tk63) 2m3-3m1 (tk36) 3:10-3:55 3m1 (tk40) 1:48-3:10 3m1 (tk38-39) 3:34-end 3m1B (tk42) 2:35-7:00 3m1B (tk41) 7:00-7:56 3m1B (tk42) 7:56-end Film version: 2m3-3m1 (tk63) or 64 0:00-1:43 2m3-3m1 (tk37 or 40 but 37 for end) 3:10-5:43 3m1B (tk41 or 42) 0:47-end So in short, aside from small adjustments to the timing and orchestration (notably the clarinet part, as described above), there are two major revisions to "The Money Exchange." The first replaces much of the cue with the main theme. The second extends the main theme by about 38 seconds. Therefore, I believe the album track "Schindler's Workforce" presents the definitive edit of this cue. Tk36 should be considered a major alternative cue because it contains over three minutes of unique material. For completeness, you could also include takes 37, 39 and 40 because of the differences in orchestration and the shorter version of the main theme. "Recruiting" is cut in both the film and album; the first 0:47 in the film and the first 2:35 on the album. The album segues into "Recruiting" at 4:17. Borrow the clean ending of "The Money Exchange" from tk40. Then mix "Recruiting" onto the final note. Use either take, but preferably tk42 because the album's version of "Recruiting" will resume with that take. Edit back to the album around 2:35 into "Recruiting" (about 4:19 total time). jamesluckard, Henry B and bollemanneke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, jamesluckard said: Is the album version of "Schindler's Workforce" more richly orchestrated because it was only ever intended as an album version, where it wouldn't have to compete with dialogue and sound effects? Or were the takes that are combined into the album version truly early attempts at the actual film cues? See above for a very detailed answer. I don't have such precise and detailed information. But it seems to me that, in putting together the album version of "Schindler's Workforce," JW selected the best performed and musically most powerful and impactful sections and edited them together. The result speaks for itself! It's seamless and perfect. I used to love this piece as a kid (and I still do!), it never ceases to amaze me. The drive, the force, the unrelenting urgency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 IIRC Spielberg was at all the recording sessions and likely suggested some of these tonal changes in how The Money Exchange was performed right away, knowing the tone he wanted the early parts of the film to have. Usually JW tries to use the same versions and takes on album as the film does so it is a bit surprising this OST track ended up so different. jamesluckard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 The beauty of this music is overpowering. Listening through now and trying to create a custom order that incorporates some of the new material with the amazing original OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Sorry for the double post but apparently JWfan is much more interested in the HP release than SL. Does anyone have a custom play order that mixes of the of the OST and the new material? I'm trying to do that now but haven't quite settled on a good order yet and was wondering if others have shared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I'd probably just make it chronological. Switch out the Schindler's Workforce track for the film version, ditto I Could Have Saved More. The Money Exchange makes for an odd first track so perhaps one of the Remembrances tracks would be a stronger opener, considering there's 3 versions altogether (and you don't want to place them all at the end). I'd probably suggest the Itzhak Stern version as the film credits use the version without and the alternate is more of a curiosity that belongs with the other alternates. I'd probably place Jewish Town somewhere towards the start of the sequencing (rather than at the end) simply because I like Williams concert suites as introductory tracks on his soundtracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I would probably try something like this. Essentially chronological with a few concert suites inserted strategically (as the opening track and the Jewish Town suite early in the presentation as in the film. Also, an alternate included alongside its final film version, similar to MM's current methodology). One track from the OST (Give Me Your Names) requires editing; sadly there's a crossfade so you'll need the sessions for clean openings/endings. The Film Score D1-13. Remembrances [with Itzhak Perlman] * 5:16 D2-1. Schindler's Workforce (Film Version) 12:09 D1-2. Jewish Town [Krakow Ghetto – Winter ’41] * 4:40 D1-9. Stolen Memories 4:20 D2-5. The Perlman Family 1:15 D1-6. OYF’N Pripetshok *** and Nacht Aktion ** 2:56 D1-3. Immolation [With Our Lives, We Give Life] 4:44 D1-10. Making The List 5:11 D1-11. Give Me Your Names 4:55 (16M2 only 0:00 - 2:15) D1-8. Auschwitz-Birkenau * 3:41 D1-11. Give Me Your Names 4:55 (18M1 only 2:15 - 4:54) D2-6. I Could Have Done More (Film Version) * 5:56 D1-12. Yeroushalaim Chel Zahav [Jerusalem Of Gold] 2:17 D1-1. Theme From Schindler’s List * 4:16 D1-14. Theme From Schindler’s List [Reprise] 3:00 D1-4. Remembrances (End Credits) 4:20 Additional music section arranged to match the film's narrative, like MM's assemblies. Additional Music D1-5. Schindler’s Workforce (Album Version) 9:08 D2-2. Reflections (Unused Insert) 2:42 D1-7. I Could Have Done More (Original Version) * 5:52 D2-3. Theme For Recorder 2:15 D2-4. Remembrances (Unused Alternate) 4:31 Feel free to correct if I've mixed some cues up in this order. This was my source. Obviously source music is excluded at this stage, I'd probably keep that entirely separate from the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 What’s wrong with the OST sequence? And MM’s additional tracks at the end, just as the new release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,315 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 It's been discussed ad nauseam on the forums over the years (and probably this thread). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Tracks sequence on a CD.... We are in 2018, we all encode our stuff in FLACs now... well I think? So we can all use the sequence we want!!! I usually like to make some alternative playlists on my computer, I love to have the choice! ____ Sorry if the question has been asked before, is this release sums up all the previous ones, if we talk about the "remastered" thing? I mean the 24k Gold CD, the japanese remaster, etc. So the new release, is this the "best of the best"? (Really different than the old OST, or not so?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Yes, it’s been discussed many times - and I still don’t get it. I thought the OST was fine as it was, and am sure the bonus material plays well on its own, at the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Listened to the entire set. It's a terrific score, of course, but the presentation is a different matter. It's a shame that there's a clear volume difference between discs 1 and 2. I've just stopped re-ordering these albums on my computer, but it's very jarring for those who do want to change track positions. and they really need to stop this absurd OST re-issue +bonus tracks thing. Yes, World War 2 was dreadful, we all know that, it was very sad and tragic, but this is not a concept album designed to move you to tears. It's a film score and film scores should be presented chronologically. We all buy these things because the OST isn't what we wanted. I've heard all the arguments about this score being sacrosanct and what have you, but I just don't buy it. This is was a missed opportunity. In 20 years’ time, they’ll do a complete presentation and then nobody will care about all these arguments. As for excluding the source music, I would have understood that decision had they also ditched the choral pieces. They are really effective, of course, but there's plenty of room on disc 2 and, no, I wouldn't consider including them to be offensive to Jewish people or whatever. On the contrary, it would have made things much more vivid. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 26, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: It's a film score and film scores should be presented chronologically. Some people (such as myself), think that track ordering with respect to optimal listening experience is just as valid an approach. rough cut, Bespin and mstrox 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 And some people consider chronological to be that optimal listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 If I want chronological, I watch the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 So would you like to buy unchronological books too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Why would I? I don't watch unchronological films, excrpt for Momento. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: If I want chronological, I watch the film. It's not always that simple. (Referring to "as intended" chronology vs "as used" chronology) bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Another complete and chronological vs. re-ordered for better listening debate on JWFan, this should be an enlightening conversation with novel and thought-provoking points brought up and discussed. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Here's something I don't think has been iterated in these discussions: we all care for a good listening experience, we just all have our own ideas on what a good listening experience is bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Another complete and chronological vs. re-ordered for better listening debate on JWFan, this should be an enlightening conversation with novel and thought-provoking points brought up and discussed. I resolved the case. During the week I listen to extended and C&C releases. During the week-end I listen to OSTs only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I usually read the end of a book first. But, for scores, I think chronological is best. I mean, do you listen to the overture in the middle of an opera? Or the adagio after the finale in a symphony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 There are indeed overtures in the middle of operas, usually referred to as preludes. 8 hours ago, Faleel J.M. said: Here's something I don't think has been iterated in these discussions: we all care for a good listening experience, we just all have our own ideas on what a good listening experience is Yeah, some people basically want to watch the film without picture, dialogue and sound effects with the music in the intended order, while others just want the music reordered and turned into the best purely musical work possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 The OST play order is brilliant but I prefer a sequence that incorporates some of the new material. On top of that, one of the few OST track order decisions I never quite agreed with was starting with the SL theme concert arrangement. It is beautiful but a little repetitive and doesn't sound like the opening to a larger listening experience. Right now I have The Perlman Family as the opener. It works well for delicately introducing the theme without overstaying its welcome or getting too dramatic too quickly. I prefer the kind of bigger, emotional writing to mostly come in the second half of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 So Itzhak had to bring his whole family, huh? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 3 hours ago, artguy360 said: one of the few OST track order decisions I never quite agreed with was starting with the SL theme concert arrangement. It is beautiful but a little repetitive and doesn't sound like the opening to a larger listening experience. That's not a concert arrangement. That's the final cue in the film, the last one before the end credits. It's 20M3 Placing The Stones. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tjZ3in_WVERGW9Kk6IcH3UqG002yv-oU6hJVU6Lv28o/ bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 So is there a C&C playlist to include some of the tracks present on the 2nd CD in it? I love Schindler's Workforce (movie version), I think it's the first time I like a movie version better than the album one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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