Harry Potter - The John Williams Soundtrack Collection 7CD boxset from La-La Land Records (2018)

[Richard Penna 3,680]

Updated my post with the link.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

MV.

[redishere 697]

Speaking of similarities between scores, this track from Hook shares an uncanny resemblance

with the first notes of Hedwig's Theme (aka the Harry Potter Theme Song):

I think the title "The Nursery" is wrong though.

 

 

 

 

[King Mark 3,631]

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

Yeah, no disrespect to Ross but the blatant similarities to non-Potter tracks from Hook, TLC, JP and AOTC are surely too coincidental to have come from Williams' pencil. I just can't imagine him being so shamelessly lazy, even with the lack of time.

 

 

you still haven''t got it.  Ross didn't write the quiddich music  . I guess Jay posting 100 times that Williams wrote all the new music doesn't really matter because it doesn't get through to a few people

Ross might have written a few transitional note here and there  to join cues in place  and handled the tracked music that's it. He didn't compose entire cues or even parts of them

 

Williams does this all the time. I'm sure people can point out many cues in Last Jedi .Here he just modified Chase on Coruscant because he''d just worked on that and was in a hurry

 

And if the quiddich music doesn't count as a NEW composition in Jay's mind then I'm wrong . It's  like a very distinct alternate so I have no idea what you people consider "adapting" anymore

 

 

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[Josh500 1,615]

10 minutes ago, redishere said:

Speaking of similarities between scores, this track from Hook shares an uncanny resemblance

with the first notes of Hedwig's Theme (aka the Harry Potter Theme Song):

I think the title "The Nursery" is wrong though.

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously?!

 

No.

 

 

[King Mark 3,631]

I wonder which version of Diagon Alley ended up on disk 1. There's like 5 alternates

 

 

 

 

[Holko 9,516]

I'm guessing the final one. 4 of those alternates is just rehearsals for a problematic bit.

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4 minutes ago, Josh500 said:

Seriously?!

 

No.

 

I was just referring to the first five notes you hear at 0:34.
The intervals, the rhythmic pattern. I don't know, that small part of Hook reminds me of HP,

just like these seven chords in Rey's Theme sound a little bit Azkaban-esque to me.
I'm not saying the entire cues are identical!
 

 

[Jay 37,339]

Yea, there's no alternates for the Diagon Alley scene in the session at all.  That's all just alternate TAKES as they kept redoing things (the violin solo) until they got it to sound how they wanted.

 

Of course, there's a sheet music leak for something called 2M4 Insert Diagon Alley Reveal that turned up, too...

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

The evolution of Hedwig theme can indeed be traced to Hook. The ending of Hook-Napped (the first half on the OST) is a dead ringer.

 

The Prologue from Sorcerer's Stone seems to have been temp-tracked with The Library from The Pagemaster.

[Josh500 1,615]

10 minutes ago, redishere said:

 

I was just referring to the first five notes you hear at 0:34.
The intervals, the rhythmic pattern. I don't know, that small part of Hook reminds me of HP,

just like these seven chords in Rey's Theme sound a little bit Azkaban-esque to me.
I'm not saying the entire cues are identical!
 

 

 

They may sound similar, but you know what? That's a stretch! 

 

Music is full of such similarities. Seriously. If you go down this road, you could argue that "Somewhere in my Memory" from Home Alone bears an uncanny resemblance to the "Theme from Schindler's List"! And so on and so on.

 

It doesn't end. Unless it's an obvious imitation or copy, it's really nothing. 

[Holko 9,516]

No, the Schindler Theme is the Hogwarts Fanfare.

And it's also in Titanic.

[publicist 4,643]

Witches of Eastwick is the 

3 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said:

The evolution of Hedwig theme can indeed be traced to Hook. The ending of Hook-Napped (the first half on the OST) is a dead ringer.

 

The Prologue from Sorcerer's Stone seems to have been temp-tracked with The Library from The Pagemaster.

 

Witches of Eastwick started it all (before it got kiddified by Home Alone and Hook). 

 

The Pagemaster stuff is part Rimsky-Korsakoff, part Igor's Firebird. Both Williams and Horner prefered the same well.

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3 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said:

The evolution of Hedwig theme can indeed be traced to Hook. The ending of Hook-Napped (the first half on the OST) is a dead ringer.

 

The Prologue from Sorcerer's Stone seems to have been temp-tracked with The Library from The Pagemaster.

 

Yeah, Hook-Napped too!
And The Pagemaster, what a memory you dug up! Great fun and great score

 

Just now, Josh500 said:

 

They may sound similar, but you know what? That's a stretch! 

 

Music is full of such similarities. Seriously. If you go down this road, you could argue that Somewhere in my Memory from Home Alone bears an uncanny resemblance with the Theme from Schindler's List! 

 

It doesn't end. Unless it's an obvious imitation or copy, it's really nothing.

 

Yeah, sorry about that, I didn't want to sound like the classic "plagiarism" guy. 
I actually don't care about these similarities: I actually like finding these musical fingerprints in soundtracks and music.

Listening to Holst's The Planets is a great experience for this reason, in my opinion.
Stuff like the T-Rex chase in JP being scored homaging The Rite of Spring 

(the exact section where in Fantasia the T-Rex is wrecking havoc, to be exact) really makes me giggle.
 

 

[Demondm810 399]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

We never knew either until all of a sudden there they were!  Just wait till you hear them, they are GREAT arrangements!

 

 

Damnit, Jay.  Like the wait isn't hard enough!

[TSMefford 1,509]

Now who wants to guess what we’ll get samples of?

[Brundlefly 2,385]

5 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

Now who wants to guess what we’ll get samples of?

Teaser

1 hour ago, Josh500 said:

They may sound similar, but you know what? That's a stretch! 

 

Music is full of such similarities. Seriously. If you go down this road, you could argue that "Somewhere in my Memory" from Home Alone bears an uncanny resemblance to the "Theme from Schindler's List"! And so on and so on.

 

It doesn't end. Unless it's an obvious imitation or copy, it's really nothing. 

Indeed.

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1 hour ago, Demondm810 said:

Damnit, Jay.  Like the wait isn't hard enough!

 

The sad thing is, if I after I'll finally order the boxset, 
I'll realize the aforementioned boxset won't arrive straightaway,

and another excruciating countdown will start. Oh, well.

 

6 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

Now who wants to guess what we’ll get samples of?

 

I'll try and choose one track for each score:

HP1: 14. Hogwarts Forever [Vocal Version]
HP2: 23. Transformation Class [Alternate Segment]
HP3: 25. About Pettigrew / The Crystal Ball

Nah, I have no idea. Give me anything and I'll be happy.
This is gonna be me 26 hours from now.
 

 

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

2 hours ago, King Mark said:

you still haven''t got it.  Ross didn't write the quiddich music  . I guess Jay posting 100 times that Williams wrote all the new music doesn't really matter because it doesn't get through to a few people

Ross might have written a few transitional note here and there  to join cues in place  and handled the tracked music that's it. He didn't compose entire cues or even parts of them

 

Williams does this all the time. I'm sure people can point out many cues in Last Jedi .Here he just modified Chase on Coruscant because he''d just worked on that and was in a hurry

 

And if the quiddich music doesn't count as a NEW composition in Jay's mind then I'm wrong . It's  like a very distinct alternate so I have no idea what you people consider "adapting" anymore

 

 

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COS is perhaps his most Horner-esque score in terms of self-quotation. It's more like a pastiche of Williams music, lacking its own identity. Familiarity with the Sorcerer's Stone and Star Wars II scores (among others) made the laziness incredibly obvious at the time.

[Demondm810 399]

1 minute ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said:

 

COS is perhaps his most Horner-esque score in terms of self-quotation. It's more like a pastiche of Williams music, lacking its own identity. Familiarity with the Sorcerer's Stone and Star Wars II scores (among others) at the time made the laziness incredibly obvious.

 

 

Yeah the COS, AOTC, Minority Report year must have really stretched him.  I don't think I've noticed any other self-quotations as obvious in anything else. 

[mstrox 6,650]

3 minutes ago, redishere said:

 

The sad thing is, if I after I'll finally order the boxset, 
I'll realize the aforementioned boxset won't arrive straightaway,

and another excruciating countdown will start. Oh, well.

 

I won't be opening mine until Christmas, so you'll be able to let me know if the scores are any good long before I hear them!

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

To be honest, I think my favorite part of the second score is the Chase Through Coruscant (which auto-correct is determined to turn into Croissant).

[bollemanneke 3,342]

What is this Diagon Alley reveal insert that was mentioned earlier? Was this cue replaced by Hermione's Feather?

[Jay 37,339]

2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

What is this Diagon Alley reveal insert that was mentioned earlier?

 

Based on the name, I'd say it's an Insert for the Diagon Alley reveal

 

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Was this cue replaced by Hermione's Feather?

 

What do you mean?

[Holko 9,516]

According to the cue list, the final Diagon Alley in the sessions was 4:36, the new track is 4:50. Could be!

 

In the movie Hermione's Feather is tracked under the bricks moving.

[bollemanneke 3,342]

In the movie, when we see the bricks moving, Hermione's Feather part one plays over that scene, then segues into the opening of Diagon Alley, and after that we get the Great Hall music.

[Jay 37,339]

Ah right, I forgot about that aspect of the final film's tracking.

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37 minutes ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said:

To be honest, I think my favorite part of the second score is the Chase Through Coruscant (which auto-correct is determined to turn into Croissant).

 

Ham the Assassin

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

The moving bricks were rather crudely recreated at Universal Studios with static bricks and an obvious speaker playing the sound of the bricks moving.

[MrJosh 892]

I'm so excited to hear listen to the sound quality on this set! And the full Children's Suite...I can't believe that it was recorded so long ago and only now will be heard in its' entirety. 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

47 minutes ago, MrJosh said:

I'm so excited to hear listen to the sound quality on this set! And the full Children's Suite...I can't believe that it was recorded so long ago and only now will be heard in its' entirety.  

Well, officially anyway.

[MrJosh 892]

11 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

Well, officially anyway.

Yes, but I don't think the Diagon Ally piece from the Suite was on those sessions...and I'm hoping HWW contains the other ending on it. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

It’s on mine

[Holko 9,516]

The whole suite except the HWW ending was included.

[MrJosh 892]

3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

It’s on mine

 

2 minutes ago, Holko said:

The whole suite except the HWW ending was included.

 

hah, funny...maybe I hit 'delete' instead of 'play' when I got to that track. 

[Luke Skywalker 1,794]

What about HWW from COS? I remember some discussion that the waveforms looked as if it was the exact same recording as the previous film, with the new ending. What will be in this new set?

[Jay 37,339]

17 minutes ago, Holko said:

The whole suite except the HWW ending was included.

 

The new ending was never recording during the HPSS sessions.  Neither was the new ending to the Diagon Alley movement.

 

4 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

What about HWW from COS? I remember some discussion that the waveforms looked as if it was the exact same recording as the previous film, with the new ending. What will be in this new set?

 

They used the HP1 recording for everything except the new ending, which was recorded at the COS sessions by Ross.

 

In fact, the HPCOS OST debuted the missing seconds of Harry's Wondrous World that were microedited out of the original HPSS OST (hence the "Extended Version" moniker on the new set)

[MrJosh 892]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

 

In fact, the HPCOS OST debuted the missing seconds of Harry's Wondrous World that were microedited out of the original HPSS OST (hence the "Extended Version" moniker on the new set)

 

Ah! I get it!

[Jay 37,339]

The cut bars are right around the 2:00 mark.  Compare the HPSS OST HWW track to the HPCOS OST HWW track (or the HP1 session leak track) and you can't miss it

[Richard Penna 3,680]

You're talking about the repeated descending twinkly bits before the string motif comes in?

 

I'm with Williams there. It's much better with the motif coming straight in.

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

I always thought that it was looped in CoS, but it was really the other way around and micro-edited in PS. There you go.

[Jay 37,339]

Well we've known that since the HPSS session leak.

[crumbs 14,306]

Just to confirm for other Australians, this goes live at 7am Wednesday (tomorrow) morning Melbourne/Sydney time, correct? 

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13 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Just to confirm for other Australians, this goes live at 7am Wednesday (tomorrow) morning Melbourne/Sydney time, correct? 

 

It’s slightly less than 20 hours from now according to my countdown, I don’t know if it helps, I’m not that familiar with timezones

[MrJosh 892]

Anyone else drool while reading and re-reading the tracklists? 

[TSMefford 1,509]

Just now, MrJosh said:

Anyone else drool while reading and re-reading the tracklists? 

 

Yup. I keep rereading them, like I’ll somehow be able to just click play

[The Illustrious Jerry 3,356]

13 minutes ago, MrJosh said:

Anyone else drool while reading and re-reading the tracklists? 

Amen brother!

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Just to confirm for other Australians, this goes live at 7am Wednesday (tomorrow) morning Melbourne/Sydney time, correct? 

2PM tomorrow for me! I get to sleep in and still be on my computer before it goes live.

[gkgyver 1,645]

When does it go live in central European time?

[Demondm810 399]

1 hour ago, MrJosh said:

Anyone else drool while reading and re-reading the tracklists? 

Not just me then. Good.