publicist 4,643 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 On 11/15/2018 at 11:07 AM, Brundlefly said: I saved a lot of money lately, so no matter how many Williams or Goldsmith titles will be in the batch, I'll order them all! The only thing that bothers me is Varese's Dracula. No chance to get it for less than around 60$. I paid 37€. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Demondm810 said: Yes got it tonight Same. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, publicist said: I paid 37€. Where? Intrada or Varese? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 37 minutes ago, publicist said: I paid 37€. 8 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: Where? Intrada or Varese? Yes! Where! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I paid 39€ directly from Varese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Varése.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Just read some pretty neat info about this release in the FSM thread Quote Quote My only concern is the Attention Police cue which was different on the Varese and LLL 2011/17 releases. The Varese presented the film version whereas the LLL 2011/17 release had an alternate version of that cue. And the difference between the two versions was not some subtle and barely noticeable instrument arrangement in the background but a very obvious one: the addition of a synth overlay on the alternate version. Even if it was not a major problem, this will hopefully be corrected on this new release. "Attention Police" is presented as the full cue on disc 1, track 23 with the synth present through the entire cue. A separate pick-up opening was recorded without the synth and is on disc 2, track 17. Neil Quote Quote Which track on this set corresponds to ‘TV Station’ from the previous LLL release? 19. Yippee Ki-Yay It was actually written for the scene when McClane talks to Hans on the walky-talky. Quote And great you’re digging that “Message to Holly” cue as well. That has always been one my favorite cues of Michael’s. Without spoiling anything, let me just say you’ll be very surprised about what was recorded for that scene and what ended up being used in the film. Regarding the “Bill Clay” part in “TV station”, I'm working with the Kamen Estate and with the DIE HARD session paperwork at hand I can give you the definitive answer to your question 🙂 It is the same recording as in “Bill Clay”. The orchestra for the “Bill Clay Part 2” cue is actually a wild take called 10MX. Michael originally suggested for it to be used in the “His Bag Is Missing” scene (7M1) and “Bill Clay” conversation between McClane and Gruber (10M2). He then created a Kurzweil overdub to specifically accentuate the latter scene and the cue was mixed for 10M2. It was obviously not used as “His Bag Is Missing” but both slate numbers (7M1 & 10M2) remained in the documentation and that is the reason why it has been following the “TV station” cue (6M5). This set is absolutely fantastic and I’m sure you (and any other DIE HARD & Kamen fan) will love it! Quote I haven't seen the booklet yet and don't want to spoil anything for you, aside from the fact that it would also be unfair towards Eric Lichtenfeld and Jeff Bond who did the liner notes for the release. So let's just wait before I go all in on those details and slate numbers 😉 One story I can share though is how we found the missing reel in Michael's LA storage: FOX had provided all of their DIE HARD material for the Estate's digital library and there was one multitrack reel missing, which you can imagine was pretty frustrating. From the documentation and a magnetic sessions tape (that had no Kurzweil overdubs and was therefore unusable), it was evident that the cues in question were the original Main Title, as well as "Bill Clay Part 1" (10M1 - originally slated as 10M0) and "John Is Found Out" (9M1). Ironically both cues were heavily doctored with for the film using the multitracks, so no chance to ever recreate those versions, or so I thought 😉 About a year later, we found a bunch of Word documents for the contents of some VERY old boxes in the LA storage. Out of curiosity I skipped through them and one just read "DIE HARD reel, 1M1, 10M0, 9M1". I couldn’t believe what I saw and thought the chances of that reel containing the exact same cues that were missing was too much of a coincidence to be one. So I asked the Estate's LA team to take some pictures and (as you can probably guess) it really was the missing reel! Now, why the heck it ended up with Michael's personal recordings I can't say but I'm really happy that it turned up after just lying there for 30 years, haha! So, long story short, we (and I mean all of us DIE HARD fans here) got those cues in good quality plus the respective film mixes because I spontaneously decided to read through some old documentation files that we had found on some hard drive. And I'm not saying this to celebrate myself (lol) but to point out through which crazy circumstances these things turn up sometimes! JWMike and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 Thanks for sharing those quotes @Jay! It's a fantastic set and also a definite one. It actually feels like listening to it for the very first time. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 That last quote is amazing. They got so lucky to find those missing three cues! 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted November 26, 2018 Author Share Posted November 26, 2018 True, the "archaeological research" stories behind those releases is just as fascinating as hearing them. I've read the booklet. It's mostly the same stuff that they had for previous releases but with updated information here and there. I always loved those notes as they go quite in depth into both film production and score analysis. There are some really interesting alternates on this set as well. There's tons of new material to discover. Karol 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Wow that’s amazing!!! So thankful we got this release! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 And now the exact same thing just has to happen to Hook! 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Will it/does it have the great Aliens music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 It does as a bonus track. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Obviously it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Roger Feigelson took to the internet to speak about this release in the FSM thread Quote Sound quality is amazing and well worth the upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I listened to this set all the way through last night. The difference in the version is remarkable. I'm extremely grateful they did this title again. It is such an iconic action score. I still prefer Kamen's work on Lethal Weapon to this, but finally hearing it complete and cohesive really elevated it in my opinion. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Demondm810 said: I listened to this set all the way through last night. The difference in the version is remarkable. I'm extremely grateful they did this title again. It is such an iconic action score. I still prefer Kamen's work on Lethal Weapon to this, but finally hearing it complete and cohesive really elevated it in my opinion. Yes, you go from "huh?" to "again?" to "you've got to be kidding me? third release?" to "hmm maybe there's a good reason for this" to "I actually kind of want it" to "this is awesome!" Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 It's the kind of thing where if the labels had waited until a proper element was found, this would be the first release, and there wouldn't be any complaints about it. Demondm810 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 Once people hear it, there will be no complaints to be had at all. Everything is justified the moment you hear the twisted sleigh bells of Main Titles. Karol Trent B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 I listened to it this week and enjoyed it very much. Haven't really dug into the bonus tracks yet (other than Kamen's Christmas rap!!), just the main score program from beginning to end is very solid and sounds great. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 17 hours ago, Jay said: It's the kind of thing where if the labels had waited until a proper element was found, this would be the first release, and there wouldn't be any complaints about it. I know it's probably not financially preferred for most. But I've actually enjoyed the releases that they keep tinkering with. I'm so appreciative of always trying to make it sound better, include more, etc. Trent B and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 19 hours ago, crocodile said: Once people hear it, there will be no complaints to be had at all. Everything is justified the moment you hear the twisted sleigh bells of Main Titles. Karol Agreed. This is worth the triple dipping...that is if you bought the previous two releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 This new release sounds great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 On 11/29/2018 at 3:55 PM, Jay said: It's the kind of thing where if the labels had waited until a proper element was found, this would be the first release, and there wouldn't be any complaints about it. Yes, and if men waited a decade or two for their the younger mistresses to be born, there wouldn't be so many divorces... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Sometimes you gotta work with what you got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted December 23, 2018 Author Share Posted December 23, 2018 And since this release has additional 80(!) minutes of additional material it's probably as definitive as it gets. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 Makes sense for then to release pretty much everything they had, and rather close the book on this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted December 23, 2018 Share Posted December 23, 2018 It's a wonderful release, I've been listening to it a lot! Trent B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 On 12/23/2018 at 9:11 AM, Jay said: It's a wonderful release, I've been listening to it a lot! Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 FSM user MINK has been restoring Kamen's original intentions to scenes that got replaced with tracked music in the final cut https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=135774&forumID=1&archive=0 Wojo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 The tracked music for Hans's death just works so brilliantly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Hmm sometimes composers get it really wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Oh sure, but it's a bummer the director didn't ask, or maybe did but there just wasn't time or whatever - for Kamen to re-score it for that mood/tone, instead of tracking in music already used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Whatever works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I had wondered where that particular piece would start in the film. I think the tracked John Scott and James Horner music works a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Woops! I messed up before and posted one of the same videos twice instead of 3 different videos. I edited my post to add in the missing video - it's Shoot the Glass, and it's the best one of the bunch! I don't remember exactly how the music went in the final cut, but Kamen's original intentions work great. Check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: I don't remember exactly how the music went in the final cut, but Kamen's original intentions work great. Check it out! In the film, it was a mixture of "Tony and John Fight" and "The Battle/Freeing The Hostages" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,180 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 19 hours ago, Jay said: Shoot the Glass SCHIESS DEM FENSTER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: SCHIESS DEM FENSTER! German! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,180 Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Sort of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 On 6/24/2019 at 10:07 AM, Thekthithm said: Hmm sometimes composers get it really wrong. Call me crazy, but I think all three worked wonderfully. Granted, the tone of the finale would have been far different, but not in a bad way. I'm sure the adoration for it would be universal had this music been used in lieu of tracked music and temp track love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 59 minutes ago, Goldsmithfan said: Call me crazy, but I think all three worked wonderfully. Granted, the tone of the finale would have been far different, but not in a bad way. I'm sure the adoration for it would be universal had this music been used in lieu of tracked music and temp track love. Would it, though? There's obviously a reason the filmmakers junked those tracks, which was based on what they wanted tonally. If they felt that it wasn't working, then by extension we'd feel the same way. Sure it's okay music on its own, but not all scores or their tracks within are created equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 Racist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Has anyone put together a nice google doc for this complicated score? I feel all the information is out there, but all spread out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 On 9/26/2019 at 1:48 AM, Thekthithm said: Would it, though? There's obviously a reason the filmmakers junked those tracks, which was based on what they wanted tonally. If they felt that it wasn't working, then by extension we'd feel the same way. Sure it's okay music on its own, but not all scores or their tracks within are created equal. So there's a guarantee that we'd all have felt exactly as the filmmakers did? That's a new one. For my money, the piece from Man on Fire was always way too saccharine for the scene where it was used. And don't even get me started on the use of music from Aliens. Hey! I don't feel the same way as the filmmakers! What is happening??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 The filmmakers' instinct was right in this instance. Kamen's original score for the Hans drop wasn't thrilling enough, and it works better in the final film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Back in stock https://lalalandrecords.com/die-hard-30th-anniversary-remastered-limited-edition-3-cd-set/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 On 6/24/2019 at 7:03 AM, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal said: The tracked music for Hans's death just works so brilliantly! Link? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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