Harry Potter 7CD Collection - SAMPLES and clips discussion

[bollemanneke 3,343]

But should we really call it the Stone motif? It also plays when Harry sees his money.

[Holko 9,525]

Well, that's part of the buildup for the Stone reveal.

[bollemanneke 3,343]

Ah, right. Makes sense I guess.

[TSMefford 1,509]

20 minutes ago, Alan said:

Regarding the end of POA, I'd imagine that where the LLL ends the Hedwig theme statement is where JW intended the insert to begin. Practically it makes no difference, but it sounds better than saying the new set retains a film edit 😜

 

It sounds...odd. The OST length sounds better to me, although it may be because that's how I've listened to it for so long.

[Holko 9,525]

THe film one's fine with the tempo, but the OST one feels more whole and satisfying.

[TSMefford 1,509]

4 minutes ago, Holko said:

THe film one's fine with the tempo, but the OST one feels more whole and satisfying.

 

Exactly. It doesn't help that the film / LLL version has a quick fade out to transition to the Insert. We'll all do what we want with it I suppose. Lol.

[Holko 9,525]

And on the LLL it's especially weird since Hedwig's given much more buildup and breathing space after the Nimbus theme (which is great)!

[Mr. Who 919]

38 minutes ago, Holko said:

Well, that's part of the buildup for the Stone reveal.

I always associated this the most with the Chamber of Secrets because of the Opening the Chamber cue but I guess it should be the Stone motif as it was written for HP1.

[mrbellamy 6,285]

45 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

But should we really call it the Stone motif? It also plays when Harry sees his money.

 

It’s the deep pockets motif

 

[TSMefford 1,509]

29 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

 

It’s the deep pockets motif

 

 

I love this. So many of the early photoshoots are so silly and awkward

44 minutes ago, Holko said:

And on the LLL it's especially weird since Hedwig's given much more buildup and breathing space after the Nimbus theme (which is great)!

 

Yeah exactly. No worries though. I can make it how I want it (With the most music possible. Yes I know it's like one second. Leave me alone.) XD.

[redishere 697]

57 minutes ago, Holko said:

The film one's fine with the tempo, but the OST one feels more whole and satisfying.

 

58 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

It sounds...odd. The OST length sounds better to me, although it may be because that's how I've listened to it for so long.

I am more used to the OST length, but upon re-listening to it, the tempo change is a little bit clunky,

so I must say I actually prefer LLL's version!

 

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

But should we really call it the Stone motif? It also plays when Harry sees his money.

The Bling-Bling Theme (extended) [4:20]

[TSMefford 1,509]

2 minutes ago, redishere said:

I am more used to the OST length, but upon re-listening to it, the tempo change is a little bit clunky, so I must say I actually prefer LLL's version!

 

 

I mean I'm going to keep both versions, but I'll probably listen to my own edit most. Who knows we'll see. It sounds alright the more I listen to it. So maybe I'll get used to it.

[mrbellamy 6,285]

6 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

So many of the early photoshoots are so silly and awkward

 

 

 

[TSMefford 1,509]

[Bilbo 3,709]

11 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

 

 

 

 

 

That one is pretty much in character to be fair! 

2 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

 

 

 

Daniel hadn’t a fucking clue what to do with his hand. Had he?

[TSMefford 1,509]

[Bilbo 3,709]

Just now, TSMefford said:

 

Why would I want to try and dissuade you from the truth?

[Once 605]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

My biggest disappointment with the Chamber score (which I absolutely LOVE, btw) is easily the fact that the Stone motif is used at all, let along as frequently and prominently as it is.  As you indicated, JW wrote a FANTASTIC theme for the Chamber, which got a tremendous concert arrangement but also is worked into several key cues in a FANTASTIC way; Every single time the Chamber theme is used in an actual film cue, it's orchestrated differently than it ever is in the concert arrangement, and all those moments are among my favorite moments in the whole score.  The melody really lent itself to being adaptable into different spots and perfectly captures the air of mystery around the Chamber.

I completely agree. I've always thought that the amount of great new themes and motifs (the Chamber's, Fawkes's, Dobby's, Myrtle's, Lockhart's, the flying car, spiders) could/should have had a much bigger impact, and really they didn't need to rely on the themes from PS at all. If not for the scheduling conflict, I'm sure he would have given us a much fresher score. If only Williams had a time-turner!

 

2 hours ago, Jay said:

the interesting thing I figured out while working on this set was that Williams actually wrote another little motif relating to the chamber and the general mystery of the film; You can hear it at the end of the "Petrified Colin (Alternate)" sample (it was removed from the film version), but it was introduced earlier, in "The Writing On The Wall" and reappears later too, in "Ginny Gets Snatched".  I imagine he would have embellished on this as well as the Chamber theme he had time to rewrite every cue that currently uses the Stone theme.  Alas.

Woah, thank you for pointing this out. What a great little motif! Harry Potter really inspired some great music from Williams.

Jay, thank you for all the information you share with us and the amazing work you and your colleagues put into this set.

[redishere 697]

6 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

 

6 minutes ago, Bilbo said:

 

Why would I want to try and dissuade you from the truth?

 

 

 

 

[mrbellamy 6,285]

33 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

So many of the early photoshoots are so silly and awkward

 

You know, the later ones weren't much better

 

[TSMefford 1,509]

1 minute ago, mrbellamy said:

 

You know, the later ones weren't much better

 

 

LOL. At least those weren't for use in the films marketing...unless they opted for a very different approach.

[Jay 37,352]

22 minutes ago, Once said:

Woah, thank you for pointing this out. What a great little motif! Harry Potter really inspired some great music from Williams.

Jay, thank you for all the information you share with us and the amazing work you and your colleagues put into this set.

 

Yea, i really like it alot.  We knew from the sheet music that it was originally intended for the ending of Petrified Colin, and I just hoped that there was some early takes whey they played it, and it wasn't taceted out before the recording began.  Turns out they only played it on the very first take, then taceted it every time afterward.  I am very thankful Mike took the time to check the early takes so we could put it on the set!

[bollemanneke 3,343]

34 minutes ago, Once said:

I completely agree. I've always thought that the amount of great new themes and motifs (the Chamber's, Fawkes's, Dobby's, Myrtle's, Lockhart's, the flying car, spiders) could/should have had a much bigger impact, and really they didn't need to rely on the themes from PS at all. If not for the scheduling conflict, I'm sure he would have given us a much fresher score. If only Williams had a time-turner!

 

Woah, thank you for pointing this out. What a great little motif! Harry Potter really inspired some great music from Williams.

Jay, thank you for all the information you share with us and the amazing work you and your colleagues put into this set.

What do you mean by bigger impact? Myrtle's theme is used whenever it could be used.

[Jay 37,352]

Myrtles, Dobbys, Lockharts, Flying Car, and Spiders themes are really all used everywhere they can be.

It's the Chamber theme that should have been used way more, instead of the HP1 stone motif popping up over and over again

 

And then of course the many action setpieces that reuse HP1 (or AOTC) music instead of completely original set piece cues is the next disappointment.

[Holko 9,525]

18 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Yea, i really like it alot.  We knew from the sheet music that it was originally intended for the ending of Petrified Colin, and I just hoped that there was some early takes whey they played it, and it wasn't taceted out before the recording began.  Turns out they only played it on the very first take, then taceted it every time afterward.  I am very thankful Mike took the time to check the early takes so we could put it on the set!

Any other alternates it turns up in, perhaps?

[Jay 37,352]

Not that I recall

[TSMefford 1,509]

25 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Yea, i really like it alot.  We knew from the sheet music that it was originally intended for the ending of Petrified Colin, and I just hoped that there was some early takes whey they played it, and it wasn't taceted out before the recording began.  Turns out they only played it on the very first take, then taceted it every time afterward.  I am very thankful Mike took the time to check the early takes so we could put it on the set!

 

Wow. That's awesome. So glad that it's included! 

[redishere 697]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Myrtles, Dobbys, Lockharts, Flying Car, and Spiders themes are really all used everywhere they can be.

It's the Chamber theme that should have been used way more, instead of the HP1 stone motif popping up over and over again

 

 

Agreed. When I first bought the OST (before seeing the movie), the Chamber theme left me speechless, and I was really surprised when I realized it wasn’t that much featured in the movie.

[bollemanneke 3,343]

Or when he's IN the chamber.

[Jay 37,352]

Yea, which originally made me wonder if it was a theme he didn't compose until later on into the process (like the Past theme from HPPOA), but 3m3 Writing On The Wall was one of the first cues recorded, so it was there all along

[Once 605]

1 hour ago, bollemanneke said:

What do you mean by bigger impact? Myrtle's theme is used whenever it could be used.

 

Oh, I didn't mean that all of those themes were used wrongly. It's just that Williams often uses themes and motifs 'out of context', so to speak, and I would've preferred in these instances that he had re-arranged his CoS themes rather than PS pieces.

Although as a kid I loved recognizing the music - like hearing the melody for Norbert in the slug scene, or the 'Harry Gets a Wand' melody in the petrified Hermione scene.

[Jay 37,352]

3 minutes ago, Once said:

Although as a kid I loved recognizing the music - like hearing the melody for Norbert in the slug scene, or the 'Harry Gets a Wand' melody in the petrified Hermione scene.

 

Those are all documented here

 

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/27619-finished-chamber-of-secrets-thematic-and-originality-analysis/

[Holko 9,525]

It's not perfect, I finetuned it a lot afterwards and for example I did not recognise the Colin Alternate as a motif in those two cues it's in, and I'm currently not planning to bleedin' redo  update it for the new set, but I hope there's at least some tiny usefulness to it.

[TSMefford 1,509]

1 minute ago, Holko said:

It's not perfect, I finetuned it a lot afterwards and for example I did not recognise the Colin Alternate as a motif in those two cues it's in, and I'm currently not planning to bleedin' redo  update it for the new set, but I hope there's at least some tiny usefulness to it.

 

Well I've definitely bookmarked it for future use. So I will get some use out of it! Thanks for all the effort @Holko

[bollemanneke 3,343]

Jay, will we find out more about what was recorded when in the booklets? It would be really interesting to know more about the recording structure of each score (for me in any case).

[Jay 37,352]

 

5 minutes ago, bollemanneke said:

Jay, will we find out more about what was recorded when in the booklets?

 

No.  And I can't even think of the last specialty label release that listed that stuff.  Maybe Intrada's Alien from 2007 and the blue box from 2008.

[TSMefford 1,509]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

 

No.  And I can't even think of the last specialty label release that listed that stuff.  Maybe Intrada's Alien from 2007 and the blue box from 2008.

 

Oh god. I just imagined someone making a playlist in the order of when each cue was recorded. Now wouldn't that be a mess?

[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

Hehe

[TSMefford 1,509]

@Jay Out of curiosity, not because I would ever want to do it (because seriously...why?), but is there even enough information available to do that? I'd think not. 

[Smaug The Iron 513]

4 hours ago, bollemanneke said:

But should we really call it the Stone motif? It also plays when Harry sees his money.

The Philosopher's stone can transform any metal in to gold. So all that gold in Harry's vault is metal that the stone have transform in to gold. 

[Jay 37,352]

2 minutes ago, TSMefford said:

@Jay Out of curiosity, not because I would ever want to do it (because seriously...why?), but is there even enough information available to do that? I'd think not. 

 

What are you asking, if it is known what date each cue was recorded?  That is known for most scores, yea.  Oddly audio seems to go missing more often than paperwork

[TSMefford 1,509]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

What are you asking, if it is known what date each cue was recorded?  That is known for most scores, yea.  Oddly audio seems to go missing more often than paperwork

 

Wow really? That is quite surprising. 

[Jay 37,352]

Mike shared when each cue of EOTS was recorded here

 

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=6800

 

And like I said the booklets for Alien and Superman The Movie, and probably some other titles, do too

 

Heck, Jim Ware's been tweeting which day each cue from The Hobbit 1 was recorded

[A. A. Ron 1,742]

7 minutes ago, Smaug the iron said:

The Philosopher's stone can transform any metal in to gold. So all that gold in Harry's vault is metal that the stone have transform in to gold. 

 

How did I never think of that???

 

1 minute ago, Jay said:

Mike shared when each cue of EOTS was recorded here

 

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=6800

 

And like I said the booklets for Alien and Superman The Movie, and probably some other titles, do too

 

Heck, Jim Ware's been tweeting which day each cue from The Hobbit 1 was recorded

 

The 1997 release for Star Wars has recording dates.

[Jay 37,352]

Yep

[TSMefford 1,509]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

Mike shared when each cue of EOTS was recorded here

 

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=6800

 

And like I said the booklets for Alien and Superman The Movie, and probably some other titles, do too

 

Heck, Jim Ware's been tweeting which day each cue from The Hobbit 1 was recorded

 

Huh. Wow. Cool. So could we theoretically just ask Mike about the dates for HP if we wanted to? Just for the hell of it.

[Jay 37,352]

I already know the dates

[Richard Penna 3,686]

What on earth would you even do with that information?

[Pieter Boelen 740]

8 hours ago, Incanus said:

That Coca cola piece was already on the OST spliced together with the original music for the Arrival of Baby Harry.

I kind-of liked that edit job and probably wouldn't have minded that being replicated on the new set?

Seems like a nice way of using good extra stuff in the main program, rather than hiding a short track in the bonus section.

 

So... How crazy am I for thinking that...?

[TSMefford 1,509]

2 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

What on earth would you even do with that information?

 

No clue. Just cool to know things sometimes. I didn't realize that it was relatively easy to figure that out and now my curiosity is peaked.

 

@Jay Once the set is out would you share the dates?