Holko 9,526 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 This is weird: nowhere does the booklet state which choir sang the vocal version of Hogwarts Forever!, unless the London Voices had a secret kid's section. If it was the London Oratory Boys' choir, then Paul Broucek, (then) executive music producer at New Line Cinema, has given us a clue to this hidden unknown recording's existence in the Two Towers' Appendices back in late 2003! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Did you drop it onto the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Yes! It was pristine upon arrival but it’s all broken now. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted January 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 Technically, one could look at art design and direction as the most expendable part of these sets - the discs would still contain Matessino's remastered and reassembled takes on Maestro Williams' wondrous scores if they came in these: That is why going the extra mile counts so much, and Jim Titus is a master of this. Let's explore this set and discover how he unifies the entire thing and makes us feel that we got a hell of a lot more bang for our significant amount of bucks! The first thing you see is of course the outer box: a sturdy, pleasing matte black base with gold and silver inlaid text, minimalistically telling us only the most important information about the set in order to not ruin the aesthetics: a stylish front face and spine tell us the name, while the back elaborates on the contents sparsely. All three are framed with pleasingly simple, hand-drawn looking designs. When we take a look at the disc spines, we can see the labeling: first it tells us we're looking at the John Williams Soundtrack Collection, then lists the three titles again. A spine is very slim and the Potter font is not the most legible, so a large help is provided to us: the cases are all colour-coded, helping us see at an immediate glance which set is which. The colour choices all tell us something about the score/story within: Philosopher's Stone, the largest set (3 discs in a clamshell case) gets two colours: warm, embracing, but bold red and yellow, showing it's a pleasant, welcoming story of introduction and exploration. Chamber of Secrets' pastel green represents the sickly and sickening corruption spreading throughout Hogwarts literally from the walls, and Azkaban's greyish pale blue could be linked to the sadness and coldness Harry feels as he is isolated from his friends and battles shadows of his past in the film. Hang on a moment now - Red, yellow, green, blue - where have we seen that before? Of course, the Hogwarts crest, these are the house colours. Bold red represents Gryffindor, home of the brave and reckless, warm yellow is Hufflepuff where the friendly and loyal folk go - these values are indeed major parts of film 1. Green is for Slytherin, where the cunning or malicious reside, and it fits Chamber of Secrets since we not only get to know the house better, but its founder is central to the plot. Blue is Ravenclaw, home of the intelligent and workaholic ones, and that's where I can't find great parallels - wrapping your head around the Time-Turner immediately would require a great deal of intellect? These colours are not only on the spines, colouring the titles and presenting a striking splotch at the bottom - they are closely linked to the sets' art design. Both the Hogwarts design on the discs themselves and the back cover's content and rights information brandish the set colours, as well as the booklets all over. Even in the outer booklet, the tracklists' backgrounds are colour-coded, and even the lyrics of the songs are painted red and blue to immediately visually present which set they can be found on. This approach of using the chosen signature colours in as many places as possible helps marry it to the set in your mind quickly, so next time you look in the box to get the one you want, you can instinctively pick it out without having to stop, rotate your head 90 degrees, read the small lettering, or try and see which of these jewel cases is the double one - it will quickly be second nature even if one carelessly places the sets in the wrong order. That is not all, though - every set has one more signature design element to set them apart, most notably seen on the borders of the covers, which one might not even notice are different at first: PS has a series of coloured rombuses, Chamber a series of lines, almost illustrating a snake weaving around the cover, and Azkaban a thick line of rotated squares. This element carries over not only to the inner tray, select pages of the booklets and above the coloured splotches of the spines - once noticed, one can go back to the outer box and see these are present there: PS' rombuses beautify the front face, a mix of Chamber's lines and Azkaban's dot-like squares lines the back face, and finally all three are present together twice, above and below the spine, framing the set title when on the shelf. These borders help further differentiate the sets when one pays attention to it, but also tie them together in that they all have it, and they are quite similar, and definitely in the same style. These design elements alone are heavily reminiscent of the post-Columbus in-universe commercial art style, but another element builds on it heavily, too: the booklets vary fonts and typography, with big and striking initials - compare a booklet to a page of the Daily Prophet below: Additional details I noticed: in the outer booklet, by Williams' Children's Suite liner notes, the pictures represent the miniatures being spoken about on the page opposite - with the exception of the finale Harry's Wondrous World, which is an overarching unifying piece, and Voldemort, for whom I presume no sufficient promotional artwork was provided, and it fits the spirit of lurking in the shadows waiting to strike well. The inner tray artworks are as follows: Harry having seized one of the thousands of Hogwarts letters bombarding the Dursley home, feeling joyous; Harry in the Quidditch Match, excited and happy if a little worried for his own safety; Harry being in utter shock as he finds Nick's "body"; and finally, Harry, Ron and Hermione hiding behind Snape from the werewolf. This succession of images conveys the continuous shift to a darker tone within the series. These all seem like simple or minor things (or even things I try to force into what I see), but add up to an exquisite, pleasing package, which with its own delicate care and attention to detail represents the same in Matessino's process of presenting the music to us, and Williams' way of constructing these scores to begin with. One must only look at Disney's recently released Star Wars Original Soundtrack "demastered" CDs to see what a striking difference this attention and an actual unifying vision makes - in those sets, the spines use a generic font, the inner artwork is not too carefully selected or carefully arranged, and the signature colours of the sets have no particular rhyme or reason to them, they don't all represent their respective films or their moods too well, and they are only present on the front cover, a tiny strip on the disc, and as the image borders in the leaflet which presents no information or interest, and thus doesn't drive you to ever take it out and open it. In conclusion I can say that Jim Titus at least visually transformed this collection of laser-engraved thin, wide plastic cylinders and unfortunately cheap, brittle plastic jewel cases into a first-rate premium product you can always take out and wonder at. And as a finale, let me paraphrase a certain secondary antagonist: as long as Mike Matessino is working on John Williams scores, "Let us hope that Mr. Titus will always be here to save the day." Ricard, Bayesian, Jay and 11 others 11 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 319 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Jim Titus really is just about the best when it comes to soundtrack artwork, and his approach and attention to detail have worked wonders in presenting so many projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted January 10, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Holko said: Holy shit dude, that was an amazing post, one of the best and most original and unique analysises I've ever seen on the site. Bravo, sir! I'm gonna send a link to Jim Titus for him to read Holko, OneBuckFilms, TSMefford and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Did Jim have any contact with MinaLima during the process? They did all the graphic design for the films and be matched their styles superbly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 And here come I to ruin it with more nitpicking: the Azkaban notes say the alternate Knight Bus has a Black section from the OST, as well as the squeeze play with calliope instead of accordion. Was that an error that got through or was that the original idea for the presentation and somebody just forgot to update the text like with the London program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 On 1/11/2019 at 7:45 AM, Bilbo said: Did Jim have any contact with MinaLima during the process? They did all the graphic design for the films and be matched their styles superbly! It would be amazing to read an interview with Jim about his design work on this set. He perfectly matched the tone of the films, I'm guessing he used a lot of the actual studio assets (like fonts) to assemble the set. Holko and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Perhaps he'll post something here: https://www.behance.net/jimtitus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Additional small but welcome detail I just noticed: the Hogwarts crest above the Hogwarts Forever lyrics could be seen as a small bit for context, but actually perfectly explains and contextualises without additional lengthy words what could be completely baffling and nonsensical to anyone not overly familiar with the deeper lore: Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus, which is present in the lyrics, is Hogwarts' motto, seen under its crest. Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,687 Posted January 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2019 I had a real fear all those weeks ago that they were only going to do the first score which, while very welcome (and indicative that we'd get PoA eventually), would also have felt very anti-climactic. Hence not only is this a beautifully designed set, it also completely closes the book on JW's Potter world. Such a shame it's limited! And one really (really) tiny thing that repeatedly tells me 'this is the real deal', when I listen to The Rescue of Sirius and there's that extra tiny bit at 0:20 which was microedited out of the film. Like listening to any track as originally recorded, it reminds you that you're not listening to a DVD rip or film stem any more. In fact, I often look at the 3 album covers in windows explorer and remind myself that there is no bootleg, DVD-rip or even OST material in there. In fact, I remarked when I received the set that the presentation actually inspired me to not remove some bits of PoA. LLL is never going to top this for this year's BF. Bilbo, bollemanneke, Once and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: LLL is never going to top this for this year's BF. I'm sad to say that's probably completely true: Indy and SW won't be LLL. There's just nothing else on this scale for them to do. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/12/2019 at 2:54 AM, Holko said: And here come I to ruin it with more nitpicking: the Azkaban notes say the alternate Knight Bus has a Black section from the OST, as well as the squeeze play with calliope instead of accordion. Was that an error that got through or was that the original idea for the presentation and somebody just forgot to update the text like with the London program? It was of course always the plan to include the film/calliope version in the main program and the OST/accordion version in the bonus tracks. That's just a typo we all missed, like the "Window to the Past" one. Oh well. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 11 hours ago, Jay said: It was of course always the plan to include the film/calliope version in the main program and the OST/accordion version in the bonus tracks. That's just a typo we all missed, like the "Window to the Past" one. Oh well. I think we all can live with these little typos Jay. The music is there after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 @Holko On the the Intelligence thing with HP3 color, perhaps referring to the more eclectic nature of the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 12:36 PM, Richard Penna said: LLL is never going to top this for this year's BF. LLL: "Hold my beer..." Richard Penna 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 9:36 PM, Richard Penna said: LLL is never going to top this for this year's BF. For me, the only thing that will ever top this set would be the Star Wars prequels.... Which, as we know, probably won't be a LLL title. So it follows that LLL will never top this. This was LLL's best title in its history, past and future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 And the dreaded day arrives: one of the corners of the black PS middle with the nub that holds the sides in broke off. Superglue seems fine so far, just weird having to use it on a 100$ set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I'm still surprised mine arrived in perfect condition. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Careful with superglue. That kind of glue tends to "eat" some kinds of plastic. I used it in tomorrow ultimate edition broken teeth and and it almost damaged the cd over a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Thanks for the tip! Since it's the corner, it's the farthest possible place from the disc so I will notice in time. I don't even think it's superglue, just some strong universal glue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Holko said: And the dreaded day arrives: one of the corners of the black PS middle with the nub that holds the sides in broke off. Superglue seems fine so far, just weird having to use it on a 100$ set. Be grateful it's something that can be replaced cheaply (unlike my dented corner box). Just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: Careful with superglue. That kind of glue tends to "eat" some kinds of plastic. I used it in tomorrow ultimate edition broken teeth and and it almost damaged the cd over a few years. I would never do that! The risk of a tiny bit of superglue getting on the precious CDs and damaging them irrevocably would be too great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Just saw it. tomorrow = TPM. Damn word corrector in the phone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 4:23 AM, Luke Skywalker said: Just saw it. tomorrow = TPM. Damn word corrector in the phone... I figured that. Nothing in JW's catalogue is called Ultimate Edition except TPM! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 1/9/2019 at 5:42 AM, rough cut said: Got it. At first glance this looks like you put the CDs and the box on a bunch of kitchen knives... 😂 But I'm sure nobody is that crazy! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Josh500 said: At first glance this looks like you put the CDs and the box on a bunch of kitchen knives... 😂 But I'm sure nobody is that crazy! Kitchen knives?!!! So rough cut was the one who knifed my box! Mystery solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 hours ago, Incanus said: Kitchen knives?!!! So rough cut was the one who knifed my box! Mystery solved! His name alone should have been a dead giveaway! I mean, rough cut? 😂 bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Gotta stay sharp, if you know what I mean! 😂 JWMike and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/22/2019 at 2:38 AM, rough cut said: Gotta stay sharp, if you know what I mean! 😂 Is that why you chose that name? Or does it have another meaning!? 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I’ve had that name here on the board for 10+ years... so.... . . . . . . . Yes! Of course! It’s all been an elaborate scheme, biding my time untill Inky got a defective delivery... It was a long wait, but it sure was worth it! Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, rough cut said: I’ve had that name here on the board for 10+ years... so.... . . . . . . . Yes! Of course! It’s all been an elaborate scheme, biding my time untill Inky got a defective delivery... It was a long wait, but it sure was worth it! Yeah, I meant, when you originally chose that name, was the message or meaning behind it "stay sharp"? Because rough cut is a rather unusual name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Oh, I thought you were making a pun. But this is a serious question, one that feeds directly into my ego! Well, no, nothing to do with ‘stay sharp’. It’s a play on words, hinting at the first draft of something, that can go two ways upon completion... into oblivion or into greatness. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, rough cut said: Oh, I thought you were making a pun. But this is a serious question, one that feeds directly into my ego! Well, no, nothing to do with ‘stay sharp’. It’s a play on words, hinting at the first draft of something, that can go two ways upon completion... into oblivion or into greatness. Great answer! 😄👍 rough cut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 So I just finished reading the liner notes (minus the general booklet) and quite enjoyed them, but something in HP3 doesn't add up: the booklet says that The Patronus Power is an alternate for Harry's first Patronus (in class, I guess), but in the sheet music, it's presumably an alternate for the Patronus cast during the pre-Time Turner Dementor confrontation. So which one is it, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 "The Patronus Power" recording does not match any of the leaked sheet music, so you seem to have been misinformed by someone. The page called "4M14 Insert for Patronus Light" in the sheet music leak is not anywhere on the LLL CD (who knows if it was recorded or not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Jay said: The page called "4M14 Insert for Patronus Light" in the sheet music leak is not anywhere on the LLL CD (who knows if it was recorded or not) Wouldn't those people who worked on the LLL set know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, Jay said: "The Patronus Power" recording does not match any of the leaked sheet music, so you seem to have been misinformed by someone. The page called "4M14 Insert for Patronus Light" in the sheet music leak is not anywhere on the LLL CD (who knows if it was recorded or not) But then... why is that segment in Data's edit in 6m5 pt II? EDIT: Oh, sorry, only the beginning is similar/the same. The LLL track has more expressive choir and a different ending. So The Patronus Power is just inspired by an early draft of First Frozen Lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Finally started listening to this set (I know, I know) and there's a glitch in "The Quidditch Match." The sound begins popping around the 7:15 mark. Anyone else have this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 i dont hear it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 7 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: i dont hear it Are you really sad that you can't hear the glitch? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 no..sad for him because i fear his disc could be defective. I should have used "" anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 On 1/16/2019 at 6:20 AM, Incanus said: I think we all can live with these little typos Jay. The music is there after all. The set is ruined! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Luke Skywalker said: no..sad for him because i fear his disc could be defective. It's definitely defective. It's not scratched or anything, though. Weird. I assume getting a replacement won't be TOO big a hassle. I certainly hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Seriously, ten years ago, i would assume offically printed CDs were faulty-free (and they were...). Now it seems we have to listen carefully to our CDs just in case there is some glitch, as some of them have faults (exclusive to them, not a general pressing or mastering error i mean). I dont have time to listen to CDs with detail and headphones as i did on my youth anymore...now i listen to them while doing things on the house and small glitches would go unnoticed. I would hate noticing the error like 5 years after i bought the CD... Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: Seriously, ten years ago, i would assume offically printed CDs were faulty-free (and they were...). Now it seems we have to listen carefully to our CDs just in case there is some glitch, as some of them have faults (exclusive to them, not a general pressing or mastering error i mean). I dont have time to listen to CDs with detail and headphones as i did on my youth anymore...now i listen to them while doing things on the house and small glitches would go unnoticed. I would hate noticing the error like 5 years after i bought the CD... Yeah I was reminded that The Book Thief had an obvious really audible glitch either due to manufacturing error or mastering error. And this wasn't an isolated incident as one of my friends had a copy with the exact same glitch on it on the track Learning to Write. Shoddy work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Some copies of the 2002 release of E.T. had a glitch near the end of Over the Moon. Argh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said: Seriously, ten years ago, i would assume offically printed CDs were faulty-free (and they were...). Now it seems we have to listen carefully to our CDs just in case there is some glitch, as some of them have faults (exclusive to them, not a general pressing or mastering error i mean). I dont have time to listen to CDs with detail and headphones as i did on my youth anymore...now i listen to them while doing things on the house and small glitches would go unnoticed. I would hate noticing the error like 5 years after i bought the CD... I've always heard glitches on CDs and the one glitch I've heard on this set is nowhere near as obvious as some that I've heard from older discs. The Star Trek - First Contact OST springs to mind for me. The track 'Temporal Wake' had pretty clear glitches, at least on my copy of the CD. We're probably just more sensitive to them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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