crocodile 7,998 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I've not heard anything from Azkaban yet apart from the teaser trailer track. Will put it on tomorrow. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 What's about this high frequency issue? Is it in any way noticeable or is it as @Disco Stu said just people "who get bothered by things they can see on graphs but can’t actually hear"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Brundlefly said: What's about this high frequency issue? Is it in any way noticeable or is it as @Disco Stu said just people "who get bothered by things they can see on graphs but can’t actually hear"? We want replacement CDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LLL sells lossy CDs!!!!!!! Mike Matessino lost his "God" status. He's just a semi-God now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 605 Posted December 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2018 I have a hard time collecting my thoughts. So far, I have nothing but praise for this box set. The sound quality is amazing, it feels like the orchestra is playing in my living room. Some random thoughts so far; – I am insanely familiar with the score for Philosopher's Stone. It is, along with Azkaban, probably the movie I've seen most times in my life. I can hum along to every cue. Yet somehow the score feels completely new! It's breathtaking stuff. – Surprisingly I prefer the original version of the "Diagon Alley" cue. It's so wonderfully strange. Was completely taken aback by the new opening too. – I absolutely adore the "Hogwarts Forever!" theme. It seems like many statements were removed from the film. – "Cast a Christmas Spell" is a highlight for me. Ever since the set was announced I've been wondering if the synthesize (?) would be included or not. Where is that from? Was it recorded for the song? The music box reprisal is also great. This track is pure Harry Potter to me. – "Filch's Fond Remembrance" is another lightlight. It really foreshadows Azkaban's medieval sound. The same is true for the last 35 seconds of "House Selection". Love the flute. – "Fluffy's Harp Lullaby". Wow. The source music really blends well together with the score in PS. – The Children's Suite! I'm gonna return to this suite many times. "Voldemort", "Family Portrait" and "Diagon Alley" are my favorites based on my first listen. – "Hedwig's Theme for Harp" blew me away. Where did that come from? Williams should utilize harp more often. – I still can't believe the "Teaser" recording is included. 😍 It's unreal. – I really like "Hogwarts Forever (Vocal Version)". I can't get over how inspired Williams must have been writing this score and all the source music, theme suits and songs. Somehow almost every cue feels like a highlight. I guess I have a tendency to prefer the smaller scaled stuff, don't know why ("Owl's Flight" is my favourite statement of the Nimbus 2000 theme). After listening to these first three discs I'm not only lamenting the fact that Williams didn't score film 4-8 - now I wish he had scored the books as well! I haven't even opened the liner notes yet. I've just been listening with my eyes closed. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone was my very first film score album. My aunt noticed I kept humming the music from Harry Potter, and so she gave me the soundtrack for Christmas 2001. I was 7 years old and it changed my life and opened up my love for orchestral music. Listening to this expanded edition feels like a monumental moment in my life. A big thank you to @Jay, Mike Matessino, LaLaLand and everyone else involved in this amazing release. DJMcNiff, Jacck, Molly Weasley and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I will be writing a formal complaint to Mr Willliams himself TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Bespin said: We want replacement CDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LLL sells lossy CDs!!!!!!! I'm just asking, as some people made a drama out of it, but no one ever said anything about the seemingly sublime sound quality. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 @Once best avatar ever... and cute.... 😎 4 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: I'm just asking, as some people made a drama out of it, but no one ever said anything about the seemingly sublime sound quality. Well, again it's Shawn Murphy's fault. We must stop this guy NOW!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Bespin said: @Once best avatar ever... and cute.... 😎 Haha, thank you, Bespin. I tried recreating my previous avatar. A bit weird wearing sunglasses during December, but there you go. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 hour ago, crocodile said: Well, you know, people were saying the same thing about Harry Potter when it came out. And they were saying that about Jurassic Park and Hook. It just depends on which generation of JW fan are you part of. Karol I had the feeling someone would reply with something like this, and I would caution against making a generalization so absolute as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, Nick Parker said: I had the feeling someone would reply with something like this, and I would caution against making a generalization so absolute as that. It's true though. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Just now, crocodile said: It's true though. Karol It's cute, but frankly I'm surprised you would advocate for that kind of snap appraisal. I would say there's a demonstrable difference in the type of score you hear in say, Harry Potter, vs. The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi (the brunts of my initial comment), and not just in the sense of inevitable development in his style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Nick Parker said: It's cute, but frankly I'm surprised you would advocate for that kind of snap appraisal. I would say there's a demonstrable difference in the type of score you hear in say, Harry Potter, vs. The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi (the brunts of my initial comment), and not just in the sense of inevitable development in his style. Well, the I like those more than HP. I'm not being facetious, by the way. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: What's about this high frequency issue? Is it in any way noticeable or is it as @Disco Stu said just people "who get bothered by things they can see on graphs but can’t actually hear"? Since no one else seems to want to answer you; no, it is not at all noticeable. I always listen with professional studio headphones, and I can say that without someone having pointing it out, I would not have noticed any different whatsoever. Even with the visible cutoff, they still, to me, sound better than the original album. Chewy and Brundlefly 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, crocodile said: Well, the I like those more than HP. I'm not being facetious, by the way. Karol Could you rewrite this please? I think you made a typo and I'm not sure what you're saying exactly. Did you mean "Well, then"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Could you rewrite this please? I think you made a typo and I'm not sure what you're saying exactly. Did you mean "Well, then"? "the" was not supposed to be there. Karol bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, crocodile said: "the" was not supposed to be there. Karol Ahhh, okay. Interesting! Are there certain things you can point out about why you prefer the newer Star Wars scores to Harry Potter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,385 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Do you guys like the beginning of the LLL version of Lupin's Transformation with the "Past theme" overlay? Alan and redishere 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I didn't like it to start with but I'm warming to it a bit. Partly because I know it's what is in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chewy said: Do you guys like the beginning of the LLL version of Lupin's Transformation with the "Past theme" overlay? I do actually! A sign of the thought that has gone in to this though is that MM included a version without the overlay too. We can have our cake and eat it! Molly Weasley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 The version w/o is just the album version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 45 minutes ago, Chewy said: Do you guys like the beginning of the LLL version of Lupin's Transformation with the "Past theme" overlay? On 12/14/2018 at 11:51 AM, Docteur Qui said: Can't say I'm the biggest fan of the overlay of "Window to the Past" right on top of the lovely piano/strings melody, 00:23 in "Lupin's Transformation", it doesn't really gel for me. Luckily we have the original version as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 I'm surprised that overlay has caused so much discussion - I never noticed anything weird about it. What exactly do people think if off about it? TSMefford and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 On an entirely unrelated note, I finally got mine and went straight for Azkaban, saving the rest for Christmas (if I can hold out that long). So far, what I've heard is amazing. It's just so full and grand. I've never quite heard anything like it. It's almost actual magic. TSMefford and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Obviously I haven't heard the track yet but I just checked the movie and that's one of my favourite renditions of WTTP! Very happy it's original music and not tracked from somewhere else. In the film it's a little awkwardly inserted over the original cue though, maybe that's what people are referring to? Is this the overlay in question? 7m2 My Dad Conjured the Patronus7m2A String Overlay Williams didn't include this on the OST for whatever reason but it's a perfect callback to 6m4 Sirius and Harry in the movie (fitting, given Harry is referring to said conversation in this scene). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 30 minutes ago, Jay said: I'm surprised that overlay has caused so much discussion - I never noticed anything weird about it. What exactly do people think if off about it? I always assumed it that it was tracked. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, crumbs said: Is this the overlay in question? 7m2 My Dad Conjured the Patronus7m2A String Overlay No, 7M2A String Overlay was meant to go over the pizzicato string passage at the end. You can hear a mockup of it in the bonus track section of Data's edit. I have no idea if it was recorded or not TSMefford and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Richard Penna said: JW's idiotic album arranging Aren't you guys taking this anti-OST propaganda a bit too far? You're just bashing the man himself for his intended album presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I'm serious, LLL have to send us replacement CDs, for CD 6 & 7. That's a huge mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Aren't you guys taking this anti-OST propaganda a bit too far? You're just bashing the man himself for his intended album presentation. I didn't wanna say anything but... bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jay said: No, 7M2A String Overlay was meant to go over the pizzicato string passage at the end. You can hear a mockup of it in the bonus track section of Data's edit. I have no idea if it was recorded or not Oh ok. I've never heard Data's edit so didn't realise Williams intended an overlay for the pizzicato passage. Weren't the pizzicato strings replaced wholesale by the Grievous-esque percussion material anyway, in the final film? Wouldn't surprise me if the pizzicato idea was scrapped before Williams even recorded 7M2A String Overlay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bespin said: I'm serious, LLL have to send us replacement CDs, for CD 6 & 7. That's a huge mistake. The "Window to the Past" overlay or something different? I'm not exactly great at comprehension today so you'll have to remind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, crumbs said: Oh ok. I've never heard Data's edit so didn't realise Williams intended an overlay for the pizzicato passage. Weren't the pizzicato strings replaced wholesale by the Grievous-esque percussion material anyway, in the final film? Wouldn't surprise me if the pizzicato idea was scrapped before Williams even recorded 7M2A String Overlay. Exactly, the String Overlay must have been the first attempt to change the musical tone of the scene and then they decided to beef it up even more with the cool Grevous-esque material the final film uses. But I suppose he liked the original pizzicato strings more since he used that on the OST... or maybe that was just because he wanted to segue it into Chasing Scabbers bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: The "Window to the Past" overlay or something different? I'm not exactly great at comprehension today so you'll have to remind me. I talk about the frequencies cutoff. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Could the frequency cut-off be for a particular reason, such as unwanted noise? TSMefford and Jacck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bespin said: I talk about the frequencies cutoff. If it's not noticeable does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Jay said: Exactly, the String Overlay must have been the first attempt to change the musical tone of the scene and then they decided to beef it up even more with the cool Grevous-esque material the final film uses. But I suppose he liked the original pizzicato strings more since he used that on the OST... or maybe that was just because he wanted to segue it into Chasing Scabbers This makes complete sense. I know the score is filled with unconventional scoring decisions (that work brilliantly!) but pizzicato strings underscoring an intense werewolf chase through a forest does stick out as a little... "bold." 😎 Even choosing a string overlay to beef it up seems a restrained addition, so he must have really liked his original idea (he saw fit to include it on the OST after all). bollemanneke and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: If it's not noticeable does it matter? I ask for replacement CDs. Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, crumbs said: This makes complete sense. I know the score is filled with unconventional scoring decisions (that work brilliantly!) but pizzicato strings underscoring an intense werewolf chase through a forest does stick out as a little... "bold." 😎 Even choosing a string overlay to beef it up seems a restrained addition, so he must have really liked his original idea (he saw fit to include it on the OST after all). Haven't gotten to that track, is the Grievous-esque percussion there? 8 minutes ago, Bespin said: I ask for replacement CDs. Have you reached out to LLL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: Haven't gotten to that track, is the Grievous-esque percussion there? How many times do I have to post that all the Williams score heard in the film is on the CD? bollemanneke and Space Pineapple Prod. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, Jay said: How many times do I have to post that all the Williams score heard in the film is on the CD? Many, apparently. My bad. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 It's in the official sample @Space Pineapple Prod. Don't worry, it's all there. Space Pineapple Prod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, crumbs said: It's in the official sample Mr. Pineapple Don't worry, it's all there. I am not bright. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 50 minutes ago, Bespin said: I ask for replacement CDs. They'd just send you new CDs with the same data. They're pressed from the same digital files... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay said: I'm surprised that overlay has caused so much discussion - I never noticed anything weird about it. What exactly do people think if off about it? I just don't think it musically sounds very good - harmonically and rhythmically the original piece moves very differently to the overlay and it doesn't blend well to my ears. It may have worked better to remove the original piece and just have the Past overlay by itself. I hadn't realised that the overlay was written specifically for that part, I had assumed that it was tracked in from elsewhere, so it's just a matter of not liking this particular decision on Williams' part. It's just a personal thing for me, I don't have a problem at all with its inclusion on the set (quite the contrary, it's fascinating to hear it) Falstaft and redishere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 54 minutes ago, Arpy said: Could the frequency cut-off be for a particular reason, such as unwanted noise? Precisely. I am baffled that people assume that frequency cut off automatically means lossy. Not true at all. Sometimes it can mean that, but it does not always mean that. You can’t hear it at all. The end. The sound quality is utterly stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay said: I'm surprised that overlay has caused so much discussion - I never noticed anything weird about it. What exactly do people think if off about it? Just that it's kind of out of place. Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's a tad strange. Docteur Qui and redishere 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,336 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2018 Most humans can't hear frequencies over 20khz anyway, and if you're over 40 you're lucky to hear frequencies over 15khz. The fact that a few minutes out of 8 hours was missing frequencies over 16khz is really and truly irrelevant, especially when all affected passages are on the OST anyway. It would cost LLL thousands of dollars to create, repress, and mail out replacement discs for no audible difference whatsoever. That money is better spent ensuring more Williams soundtracks come our way. I am 100% positive Mike will examine the frequencies of all studio and engineer supplied elements received in the future, and use that information along with everything else determine the right element for every part of the job. crumbs, DJMcNiff, bollemanneke and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Oh ok. I've never heard Data's edit so didn't realise Williams intended an overlay for the pizzicato passage. Yeah, basically he added dissonant strings over top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 15, 2018 Author Share Posted December 15, 2018 It kind of amps up the tension but the percussion version is just a way better idea. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted December 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2018 Just now, Jay said: It kind of amps up the tension but the percussion version is just a way better idea. Bad ideas are essential to make good ones. Pieter Boelen, bollemanneke and TSMefford 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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