Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted January 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2019 I believe the original, complete line was: "Lumos! I solemnly swear I'm up to no good. I have my mother's eyes. Fuck Voldemort!" Not Mr. Big, Molly Weasley, bollemanneke and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Datameister said: Agreed! Unrelated again - I'm really wondering what the full-length quiet section at the final freeze frame was for. It's edited to be way shorter (and, IMO, more effective) on the OST and in the film, whereas the LLL set has the full version that was recorded. (Which I appreciate, even if it's not my preferred version to listen to!) We'll probably never know, I suppose. Just options I suppose in case they wanted to tweak the voiceover in the final version. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,519 Posted January 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2019 So, I've created 4 digital HP albums. Philosopher's Stone: 2:16:00 Spoiler Some tracks are joined to replicate edits I'm very much used to by now. Neville Stiffens has been blown into two: Part 1, Troll in the Dungeon in front of Fighting the Troll, and preceded by the recreated tracked cue Halloweeb at Hogwarts, and Part 2, It's Guarding Something at the end of The Moving Stairs. The Leaky Cauldron is the sessions version with an actual ending made louder. Chamber of Secrets: 2:27:42: Spoiler Flying Car transition is fixed up just a tad, the 3 Spiders cues combined into one, Petrified Colin is the alternate with the different finale, Car Drives off (Alternate) is stuck to the opening of It's a Basilisk, before the final version. Introducing Colin/Errol Delivers Mail, Harry is a Parselmouth, Worse than Dumbledore / The Diary, The Chamber of Secrets Opens, and <the long one> feature tracked cue recreations. Azkaban: 1:50:23: Spoiler Aunt Marge is the alternate, Discussing Black has Train V1 instead of SWI, Something Wicked This Way Comes is SWI+DT film edit, Warnings, Rainy Nights... is Dumbledore's Warning + Double Trouble March, with Rainy Nights picking up from the latter's tempo almost seamlessly. The Boggarts only recreates the film edit of Neville's Boggart. The rest was perfect as is. Bonus: 00:56:55: Spoiler Hogwarts Forever opens with the vocal version. Double Trouble is Train V2+the full album DT. 10-12 might be looked at as an extension to the Suite. More Grim and Boggarts also has the alternate Neville edit stuck to the end. Aunts, Wands and Broomsticks is a compilation of the album versions of Aunt Marge's Waltz, Knight Bus, Window to the Past, Quidditch Third Year and Dementors Converge, the latter 5 generously shortened by either cutting out a middle section or the first half to keep the piece more focused toward the actual unique material, alternate or just unused. Dementors and Patronuses is the three gorgeous choral pieces one after the other in one track. I still have the rip on my hard drive and will listen to the album assembly more than these, these are for my phone. Oh and @King Mark: I'm a man of my word: On 12/2/2018 at 7:24 PM, King Mark said: Here's mine On 12/2/2018 at 7:25 PM, Holko said: Honest to MM, I'll use that on my phone. Saved. Once, Smeltington, TheUlyssesian and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,519 Posted January 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2019 I couldn't help but notice a similar descending shape in the two carols: the melody of the lyrics "Cast a Christmas spell" and "Joy to one and all". Could be a coincidence, but since JW wrote these songs out of fun for a little culturebuilding and since they're both in an emphasised spot (final line of the chorus), I'd like to think he intentionally referenced the first in Winter's Spell to deepen the myth, and whether the fictional carolwriters were referencing each other, a third, (to us) unknown carol, or it's just a common musical phrase in the Wizarding World is for folk historians with the status of Bathilda Bagshot to uncover. This may be some quite heavy stretch but it sounds cool. Once, Smeltington, crumbs and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Just listened to disc 3 again and the suite is really growing on me now. What a great concert work. But I do have a question about HWW: Does the official sheet music publication omit the removed part on the OST as well, or does it follow the version on disc 3 of this set with the included bars? I somehow think it would have been nice to replicate the OST edit once because we'd have all three HWW versions, but maybe Matessino didn't want to edit anything, which is equally commendable. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 The bars were only snipped on the OST album because Williams likes to do that kind of thing from time to time. The snipped bars are present in the sheet music of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 That's very interesting. I have a MIDI transcription of the official sheet music (presumably) and it does not contain those bars. Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 Sometimes official sheet music is altered to match released CD versions. The handwritten originals that leaked that were used at the recording stage contain the bars. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Yup yup. In fact, I just took a look at the published Children's Suite score, and the repeated bars are indeed removed in order to match the SS OST edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 But isn't it more likely that JW simply preferred the bars to be removed on second thought than to assume they were taken out just to match the CD? Why would the CD matter to anyone if it didn't have the complete children's suite on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 512 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Wow this set is Incredible. Tracks like You're a Wizard Harry, House Selection, Through the Doors. The Stone, The Chess Game (Extended), Love Harry and Gryffindor Wins the House Cup are Tracks I always wanted. But there are Tracks that I didn't know I wanted like The Daily Prophet, Fighting the Troll, Filch's Fond Remembrance and Teaser. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 15, 2019 Author Share Posted January 15, 2019 Filch's Fond Remembrance is pretty dope! Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 The Mirror of Erised and A Change of Season has always been one of my Grail cues, and one that was sorely missed from the OST. I don't know how to describe it, but it's this reverberating warmth that bubbles up in the orchestra during Dumbledore's conversation with Harry, it's quiet, yet it's so magical and expressive. It's also a cue (or cues) that showcase Williams' ability to morph from one mood or tone to another so effortlessly, going from the yearning underneath the characters' conversation, to a stern warning into Change of Season which is probably one of the most beautiful statements of Harry's theme, it's so tender. DolceMecha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DolceMecha 18 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/5/2019 at 8:39 AM, Josh500 said: I think JW partly compensated this distinctive lack of intensity of this cue by giving a sudden loud and unexpected burst of the orchestra (a burst of relief, really), once the immediate danger is past... the moment right after Buckbeak makes his appearance and drives the werewolf away, right before the glissando ("Buckbeak Saves the Day"). This moment expresses the aftershock, as it were, when the danger is past and our heroes, as well as the viewers, can breathe normally again, while the heart is still pounding. (Hermione: "That was so scary!") Nice interpretation! Another JW moment like this that comes to mind is from Last Crusade after Donovan drinks from the wrong cup. That chord from 01:01 to 01:10 is like that nerve-jangly feeling of an adrenaline rush in the aftermath of a nasty fright. Listening to Philosopher's Stone with new ears, it struck me just how varied the many performances of Hedwig's Theme are throughout the film. There are very few, if any, statements that sound identical, the arrangements do something new with the theme each time. The same goes for the rest of the thematic material, to be fair, but it's especially commendable considering how prevalent Hedwig's Theme is. Also, quick question about the end of the track 'Hedwig's Theme' - did the OST version augment the very final hit with some artificial reverb? It sounds slightly different on the LLL version. Once and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 7 hours ago, bollemanneke said: But isn't it more likely that JW simply preferred the bars to be removed on second thought than to assume they were taken out just to match the CD? Why would the CD matter to anyone if it didn't have the complete children's suite on it? You're probably right - my wording wasn't very clear. I'm sure the removal of the bars is a JW creative decision that got applied to both the OST and the published sheet music. I didn't mean to suggest that the only reason they removed the bars from the sheets was so it wouldn't conflict with the OST. ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Right. I also think it would make total sense for it to be a creative decision by JW because those two bars are the only boring/superfluous part in an otherwise great piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Yeah, I think I agree that it works better without the repeated material, though I may have some bias from hearing it that way so many times in the early 2000s. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, DolceMecha said: Nice interpretation! Another JW moment like this that comes to mind is from Last Crusade after Donovan drinks from the wrong cup. That chord from 01:01 to 01:10 is like that nerve-jangly feeling of an adrenaline rush in the aftermath of a nasty fright. Hmmm, nice find! I had to rewatch that scene, and the music certainly underscores that frightening moment and its aftermath, but that's not quite what I meant. I meant a frightening, shocking, or suspenseful moment, which is scored accordingly, and then the immediate danger passes, but the frightening or suspenseful music still continues or even intensifies, as if JW is scoring the aftershock or sudden adrenaline rush and the inner turmoil of the characters on screen.... Here are two examples I could find on short notice. Jurassic Park: The T-Rex chases the jeep, and then at 1:26 it gives up and turns away...and yet the chase music continues for another 5 seconds or so, even while the characters are starting to relax. That's the aftershock, the adrenaline rush, the heart still pounding away in terror.... Or in this scene from Minority Report at 2:16. Anderton is in safety at this point, but the chase music briefly starts up again (although this is likely tracked)... Again, it's the aftershock and adrenaline! But I still think that Buckbeak moment is one of the best of its kind! DolceMecha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Would the end of The Waterfall from Indy 4 count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Faleel J.M. said: Would the end of The Waterfall from Indy 4 count? You mean the loud brass rendition of Irina's Theme? Yes! It's certainly written in that spirit all right.... Although at the same time it's also emphasising and underscoring Irina's character, as she looks after Indy and the gang in fury. At 1:20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I was referring more to the return to the rhythmic motif from the cue at the end, but I guess that would be more of the wind down.. Arpy and Josh500 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Faleel J.M. said: I was referring more to the return to the rhythmic motif from the cue at the end, but I guess that would be more of the wind down.. You have to give me timestamp in the movie! Not just the music. I don't know the unreleased cues by heart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1:30 of your video, the low strings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Faleel J.M. said: 1:30 of your video, the low strings... That not so much. That's just low music accompanying the characters that are fairly calm (before the next drop)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Alan 689 Posted January 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2019 Finally getting to listen to these on my new Hi-Fi system instead of using the PC. My living room seems to have been turned in to the recording stage and I'm loving it! Not sure my neighbours will agree though crumbs, Mr. Who, Chewy and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rough cut 1,714 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 New hi-FI? Cool! What’s your setup? I also had the opportunity to (finally) listen to the first score of the box set - The Philosopher’s Stone. I have not been ashamed in the past to say that the HP repertoire isn’t one of my favorites in the JW catalogue. Thus I was only mildly enthused when the HP Box was announced. But having listened to the two discs, It sure grows on me. I am wondering why I don’t rotate some of these cues more frequently in my playlists? The C&C presentation is stellar, it really completes the experience, although I can see my self doing a curated playlist based on my favorite tracks within the near future. The Children’s Suite is glorious. What a treat! If these tracks had been the sole content of the OST, I’m sure it would have pissed a lot of people off, but - to me - the Suite really sums up the essence of the score: Each track here really serves its purpose. The music is mature, beautiful and a real tour de force of Williams’ talents. On to CoS! Arpy, crumbs, Once and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 The Children's Suite really is fantastic! It makes me wish that film composers, especially Williams, would be given some extra room to be able to write these suites that encapsulate the essence of the score in several themes. What makes this suite special IMO are the circumstances which afforded Williams time to write these pieces from a place he must've truly cared for - not just as music for music's sake, but music that could be educational and inspire listeners to explore the orchestral soundscape. Jay, Chewy, crumbs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Once 605 Posted January 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 17, 2019 This set is the best album I have ever bought. It’s still unreal to me that all of my favourite music from my childhood is newly remastered and released. I’ve been looking forward to discussing every second of Williams’ scores since the set was announced. Unfortunately due to a tragedy in my family my life turned upside down this December. I simply haven’t got the time, physically nor mentally, to truly enjoy this wonderful music at the moment. I just want all of you who participate in this thread to know that reading your interesting, funny, analytical posts on these favourite scores of mine really has been a much needed and appreciated ‘escape’ from reality. Keep up the good discussions, guys! Jurassic Shark, bollemanneke, Jay and 11 others 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I'm so sorry to hear that @Once, wishing you and your family well. Hopefully the music will return to you sooner rather than later. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,519 Posted January 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2019 You know what Double Trouble is for most of its appearances? Just the year opening choir concert still ringing in the kids' ears that night and the next morning. Smaug The Iron, bollemanneke, Datameister and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Faleel 5,346 Posted January 20, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 20, 2019 I interpret it as showing how things have changed, a sort of "third year orientation" type of thing. bollemanneke, Once and Ludwig 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 20 hours ago, Holko said: You know what Double Trouble is for most of its appearances? Just the year opening choir concert still ringing in the kids' ears that night and the next morning. Whoah! That's deep, man! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Like “Hogwarts Forever”, “Double Trouble” could be interpreted as a theme for the school that almost disappears completely after the Quidditch match for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I guess the tone gradually changes from quirky to serious in POA so there is not much room for mischievous Double Trouble. Interestingly Williams relies almost purely on rhythm even in the Buckbeak rescue sequence where one could easily expect some subtle references to Double Trouble for all time travel shenanigans. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Hogwarts Forever also disappears after the Quidditch match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Once said: Hogwarts Forever also disappears after the Quidditch match. Again perhaps the film makers and Williams just didn't feel it would be right for the latter half of the film. Even the final House Cup scene is scored more from Harry's emotional perspective and not focused on the school as such although it would have been another logical choice given the feel of ceremony in that sequence. Interestingly Hogwarts Theme is also absent from the entire CoS although there would have been plenty of possibilities to use Hogwarts theme during the school activities. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 JW probably just forgot about the themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Well considering that he was very conscious about them in the new film and even thought out the tracking of material for CoS in scoring notes and what would be adapted from the first score to what scene, I doubt he just forgot but I suspect the score would have turned even more thematically intricate if he had had time to work on it full-time. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Hogwarts Forever could definitely have been featured in some small guise somewhere yep. I think it almost doubles as a Dumbledore theme on some occasions and since we had the new Falkes Theme in CoS which also kind of doubles as a dumbledore there, there wasn't room enough for both. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: Hogwarts Forever could definitely have been featured in some small guise somewhere yep. I think it almost doubles as a Dumbledore theme on some occasions and since we had the new Falkes Theme in CoS which also kind of doubles as a dumbledore there, there wasn't room enough for both. Yeah that was my thinking on it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I always saw them as this: Hogwarts Forever kinda took on a Griffindor/ Gryffindor Victory association, especially in the finished film with stuff like Lonely First Night and the statement in You're a Wizard, Harry removed completely, and the Hedwig B mentioned in the liner notes took its place as a Hogwarts Fanfare, most often used in big, wide or swooping transition shots. This way they make sense in CoS as well - it has no real Gryffindor moments anymore, (neither does the second half of PS for that matter), therefore Hogwarts Forever is abandoned, but Hedwig B (Hogwarts Fanfare) is still used for transitions and such a lot. On a completely different note: I'm now noticing the tertiary Mystery/Danger motif in Chamber (the one in the alternate Petrified Colin) effortlessly, and for how simple and underutilised it is, it adds a lot of inexplicable enjoyment to the score for me. TSMefford and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, Holko said: On a completely different note: I'm now noticing the tertiary Mystery/Danger motif in Chamber (the one in the alternate Petrified Colin) effortlessly, and for how simple and underutilised it is, it adds a lot of inexplicable enjoyment to the score for me. Yes! I was just re-admiring that motif all over again today myself! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Especially since I knew the sessions pretty well for years, it's always fun to see just a whole new motif pop up that was there all along in plain sight. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Exactly! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, Holko said: On a completely different note: I'm now noticing the tertiary Mystery/Danger motif in Chamber (the one in the alternate Petrified Colin) effortlessly, and for how simple and underutilised it is, it adds a lot of inexplicable enjoyment to the score for me. Do you mean the Chamber theme or the Philosopher's Stone motif re-purposed as the new all-purpose Voldemort/Danger motif? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 Neither. We're talking about the ditty at the very end of "Petrified Colin (Alternate)". It also appears in "Car Drives Off / It’s a Basilisk" and "The Chamber Opens and The Search for Ginny" Once and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jay said: Neither. We're talking about the ditty at the very end of "Petrified Colin (Alternate)". It also appears in "Car Drives Off / It’s a Basilisk" and "The Chamber Opens and The Search for Ginny" All I hear are variations on the Chamber theme and its arpeggio accompaniment figure but I guess there is that small section which repeats in all three examples. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2019 As promised, here's my mockups of a couple of Azkaban alternates that weren't recorded/on the set TheUlyssesian, bollemanneke, Smaug The Iron and 7 others 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Once 605 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Wow, that Great Hall Ceiling alternate is great. Well done and thank you, @Docteur Qui! Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Seven CDs of this? What was wrong with the OSTs? TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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