Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2022 It'd be fun to create a parody alt account on the forum with the persona of only posting well-known Williams anecdotes/factoids as if they're obscure. I'd use the Michael Caine catch-phrase "Not many people know that" and maybe with Caine as the avatar to encourage people to read the posts in his voice. "Fun fact: The ending parade music in The Phantom Menace is actually the Emperor's theme in disguise. Not many people know that." Molly Weasley, MrJosh and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly Weasley 100 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: It'd be fun to create a parody alt account on the forum with the persona of only posting well-known Williams anecdotes/factoids as if they're obscure. I'd use the Michael Caine catch-phrase "Not many people know that" and maybe with Caine as the avatar to encourage people to read the posts in his voice. "Fun fact: The ending parade music in The Phantom Menace is actually the Emperor's theme in disguise. Not many people know that." Not many people know that when Spielberg showed JW Schindler's List, ... Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Molly Weasley said: Not many people know that when Spielberg showed JW Schindler's List, ... Too obvious even for parody! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: I'd venture to suggest that's what happens almost all the time. One can compose themes for specific characters or sentiments but if something just works... whatever I mean, there's no possible way that Hedwig's Theme is a theme for Hedwig. It's just JW's main theme and he thought that sounded a cool name on the album. Yeah, except in the Hobbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 371 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Did you know John Williams composed the score for an obscure space franchise called star wars? You may not have heard of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: It'd be fun to create a parody alt account on the forum with the persona of only posting well-known Williams anecdotes/factoids as if they're obscure. I'd use the Michael Caine catch-phrase "Not many people know that" and maybe with Caine as the avatar to encourage people to read the posts in his voice. "Fun fact: The ending parade music in The Phantom Menace is actually the Emperor's theme in disguise. Not many people know that." Meh, we already have posters that do that. (I flip-flop on whether it's hilarious or just a really good way to deter anyone new from joining the community.) In all fairness, I was directly responding to an incorrect statement that was offered in good faith, as far as I can tell. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 972 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Has there been a prior personal confirmation from someone about the current pressings being fixed? I got a copy of a rip someone made after purchasing from presumably the new stock, and it definitely is fully lossless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j39m 71 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I assume you're talking about this thing with the musicless "sound of air?" Jay says that "later pressings" are fixed. Your post gave me a scare, I thought I'd bought a box of MP3 CDs or something ("I bought some cereal from the store, and this box is definitely cyanide-free"). bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 972 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 There's a difference between saying it, and someone actually proving it "Fully lossless" isn't meant to imply the previous set was purely MP3 quality. Given the explanation that has been provided, I suppose it's reasonable to think it isn't quite the same thing, but if it's considered a flawed source that ultimately was used, then I would still call it partially lossy (if only 5%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted January 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2023 I recently noticed a little thing in the POA sheets. In The Whomping Willow cue there is a page labeled as "Insert Bars". It has a special number "10A" between pages 10 and 11, although the bar numbering is normal. There are also 5 bars on this page instead of the usual 4. Somehow that's what it would sound like without these bars: WhompWillow-editbars.mp3 And with them: WhompWillow-noedit.mp3 (Look at 0:08) In any case, the scene was later greatly shortened, so it's unclear why these bars was needed. Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Taikomochi, TSMefford and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,423 Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Those bars are actually a really nice addition, maybe it was enough to write them bollemanneke and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 On 08/01/2023 at 8:42 AM, ragoz350 said: In any case, the scene was later greatly shortened, so it's unclear why these bars was needed. Wasn't there a story going around that during the recording sessions it turned out that Williams had not been given the latest edit of the film and subsequently had to rush to revise a whole bunch of cues? If that's true it's possible that he wrote the inserts for the newer cut of the film, then the final edit (after the sessions) truncated the Whomping Willow sequence in different areas. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crlbrg 381 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skelly 260 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 On 08/01/2023 at 5:02 PM, Docteur Qui said: Wasn't there a story going around that during the recording sessions it turned out that Williams had not been given the latest edit of the film and subsequently had to rush to revise a whole bunch of cues? This story came from the film's re-recording mixer, Richard Beggs. http://web.archive.org/web/20160805013817/http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/showthread.php?t=30499 Quote Tonight I attended a master class by Academy Award winning sound designer Richard Beggs. Here are some interesting points I took away: On one of the movies he worked on, Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban, the sound design deliberately did not 'hit' anything 'run of the mill magical' (to suggest that that was normal in the world of Harry Potter). In that same movie (Harry Potter), John Williams was given an old version of the movie (as in: not the final cut). They found out at the recording stage in London where the score was to be recorded live using the London Symphony Orchestra, much to the distress of John Williams (and probably everyone). They had to rewrite and reorchestra parts of the score (the musicians in the meanwhile doing crossword puzzles). John Williams typically delivers 6 tracks of music, to be mixed down with the dialogue and effects. On the same Harry Potter movie, the director didn't like certain harp glissandos. Since they didn't have individual tracks, it was quite a burdon to recut the music to eliminate. In the wake of that experience, John Williams apparently has considered delivering individual stem tracks instead of just six mastered tracks. On the last point he mentions something about harp glissandos. I don't know what he's talking about. A long time ago I took a good look at the written score and I didn't notice any big harp things which were cut out of the movie. Perhaps the poster misheard harpsichord as harp, since I remember there were some harpsichord parts in the written score that are either missing or mixed very low in the final score. Beggs also did "Sleepers" and JW did him a big favor by respecting the sound effects. In 2020 Beggs said: "I did a Barry Levinson picture, Sleepers, where I put a tonal sound in a temp mix--a dramatic sound--that had no basis in reality. It worked well. I got a call from John Williams's music editor. John wanted the original sound so he could listen to it and score against it. But not everyone will do that." Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Could point 2 explain the number of supposedly unrecorded alternates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,623 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 If someone fucks up and gives Williams the wrong cut, I'm not sure what the response should be, given the exact circumstances, but having Williams and his team rewriting frantically while the players do crosswords? Seems like a bad way to solve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragoz350 450 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 The rewrites can only be guessed about, but apparently many cues were recorded "as is," even if they were for the old cut. Perhaps urgent changes were made only to a few cues, for example, in which it was decided to insert the WttP theme (Woods Walk, Summoning the Patronus, Sirius and Harry): the final versions of these cues are shorter than previous ones, and these revisions may well have been made in a hurry... bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,236 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 17 hours ago, Richard Penna said: If someone fucks up and gives Williams the wrong cut, I'm not sure what the response should be, given the exact circumstances, but having Williams and his team rewriting frantically while the players do crosswords? Seems like a bad way to solve it. Were the players supposed to compose? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,308 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 3 hours ago, ragoz350 said: The rewrites can only be guessed about, but apparently many cues were recorded "as is," even if they were for the old cut. Perhaps urgent changes were made only to a few cues, for example, in which it was decided to insert the WttP theme (Woods Walk, Summoning the Patronus, Sirius and Harry): the final versions of these cues are shorter than previous ones, and these revisions may well have been made in a hurry... Very interesting theory. Especially because some of the cues (woods walk, Harry & Sirius) arguably became more interesting in their revised form. I think especially Woods Walk sounds meandering and totally aimless in its original forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,623 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 4 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Were the players supposed to compose? Of course! But I do think they should've delayed the sessions and given Williams the time to do it properly. Studio pays - they've messed up. SpotTheDog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,407 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 No! He should have recorded them as is (so we get more JW music) and told them to edit it however they want! SpotTheDog and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 53 minutes ago, Holko said: No! He should have recorded them as is (so we get more JW music) and told them to edit it however they want! We wouldn't get more though, you would just end up swapping. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,854 Posted January 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2023 7 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Were the players supposed to compose? Well sure! They each write their own individual parts, and then perform them together! It would sound a little something like this... All Together Now.mp3 mrbellamy, Brando, Jay and 5 others 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,236 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Of course! But I do think they should've delayed the sessions and given Williams the time to do it properly. Studio pays - they've messed up. Idk how these things work either but I guess this proposal would be assuming Williams had that time in his schedule to work on it and come back by the release date, and not sure how close they were to that. And securing the players and studio space for future sessions that would still hit their deadline....it could have been more than WB being cheap. It might have meant others writing additional music and conducting the sessions, maybe resorting to a different ensemble and studio altogether. It sounds like a shitty situation but they are professionals after all. Whatever they did, they were able to do it efficiently and it worked. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpotTheDog 39 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: [...]it could have been more than WB being cheap. It's never more than WB being cheap. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: Idk how these things work either but I guess this proposal would be assuming Williams had that time in his schedule to work on it and come back by the release date, and not sure how close they were to that. And securing the players and studio space for future sessions that would still hit their deadline....it could have been more than WB being cheap. It might have meant others writing additional music and conducting the sessions, maybe resorting to a different ensemble and studio altogether. Agreed. Recording sessions are an incredibly complex undertaking. The amount of money needed to secure further sessions with Williams, the players, engineers, studio etc would've been astronomical - all assuming that this could work with the film's very tight deadline and that there was even an option to do so in the first place. Many of the involved parties were likely under various contracts at the time. It's not a studio being cheap; it's a necessary response to a situation that shouldn't have happened but nonetheless did. Thankfully Williams and his team are absolute professionals (which is one of the many reasons he is so well-respected in the industry); working with agility is/was in his nature. Who knows, if it weren't for this bungling we may never have had the Window to the Past theme at all - its unclear exactly when in the process Williams wrote the theme, but the initial versions of many cues it appears in had a completely different - and, IMO, less effective - theme known around here as "Remembering Mother". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,278 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Well sure! They each write their own individual parts, and then perform them together! It would sound a little something like this... All Together Now.mp3 1.15 MB · 76 downloads Do I hear some raiders march near the end? Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,285 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Clockwork Angel said: Do I hear some raiders march near the end? Sure. And everything else as well. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ragoz350 450 Posted January 27, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2023 For fun, I "restored" the percussion in one bit of the Werewolf Scene from POA. It's in the sheet score, but apparently wasn't recorded (probably the sync would have been too difficult). 6m5-drums-sampled.mp3 bollemanneke, Manakin Skywalker, TSMefford and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trope 492 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 Do we know if "Dobby the House Elf" from Chamber of Secrets ever meant to appear in the end credits of the film? Or was it an arrangement intended to be heard only on the OST album? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,083 Posted September 22, 2023 Author Share Posted September 22, 2023 I'd say all the arrangements were written/recorded with the dual purpose of being an album track and an end credits option. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,285 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 The four piece suite with Fawkes the Phoeni, The Chamber of Secrets, Gilderoy Lockhart and Dobby the House Elf is one of the best things from Williams' Harry Potter work. And it proves those wrong who say there wasn't much new music in the second movie. By the way, this might not be the right thread for this question. But could one say, that the way Williams worked with Ross on The Chamber of Secrets was similar how he worked with Courage on Superman IV? Both are credited as "Music by John Williams, Adapted and Conducted by Ross/Courage". I just understood that even though there might have been a similar agreement in case of Harry Potter Williams contributed more music and more new material. But the basic setting was more or less the same? Does anyone have more details? And were there more collaborations with Williams like this? (I would not mention Solo here, as this is basically a Powell score, where Williams just contributed on theme, like in Kenobi.) Is there already a thread about a comparison of these two collaborations? By the way, maybe that's a good ideafor a new thread: "Kinds of collaboration with John Williams" And then there is something like "Williams writes and conducts concerto/arrangement for a particular soloist" Williams provides for a sequel to his existing themes new themes, arrangements and ideas to an adapting composer" Williams just provides a new theme to a composer as main theme to a movie/TV Show. Williams provides for existing musical new arrangements and the adapted score for the movie adaptation. Williams composes all the music including songs that get texted by some lyricist. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,407 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: But could one say, that the way Williams worked with Ross on The Chamber of Secrets was similar how he worked with Courage on Superman IV? Not really, IIRC on IV he only contributed sketches for themes and that's it, but on Chamber he properly wrote much or most of the score himself as usual. More like Solo, yes, but even there he finished and recorded the concert piece himself and wrote and recorded a couple cues as demos for Powell. Edmilson and GerateWohl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,285 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Holko said: Not really, IIRC on IV he only contributed sketches for themes and that's it, but on Chamber he properly wrote much or most of the score himself as usual. More like Solo, yes, but even there he finished and recorded the concert piece himself and wrote and recorded a couple cues as demos for Powell. Hm. In the liner notes of Quest for Peace it says "Williams composed straightforward album arrangements of his new themes based on descriptions of the characters. He also received video tapes of certain key scenes and offered ideas to Courage by telephone." That reminded me of what I read about Chamber of Secrets. But the level of contribution might have been much higher with CoS. Faleel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Good luck. Opinions vary. To me, it's pretty clear that JW wrote most or all of the genuinely new material. GerateWohl and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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