Croweyes1121 14 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Hey, guys. I also posted this on the Supes II/III discussion, but that thread seems pretty dead now. So this is probably a stupid question, but is that warbling distortion supposed to be there between 35-42 seconds on the track “Daddy’s Rise and Fall” on Superman II? It’s there in the blue box version, too...but if it’s intentional, it certainly sounds...very, very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 hours ago, crumbs said: I'd rather not hear it at all before hearing the set, personally. I went out of my way to avoid the Firebolt alternate from Azkaban but sadly I kept hearing excerpts in various podcasts. It would've been amazing to hear that for the first time in the set itself (and I imagine the alternate Fortress would be much the same). Which is why he is giving instructions on how to skip it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,299 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Faleel J.M. said: Which is why he is giving instructions on how to skip it! I know that, I wasn't having a go. Just saying I'd prefer discovering these new treasures in the set itself rather than inadvertently in a podcast. It's a great gesture giving listeners advance warning, so I appreciate that. I don't remember which podcast used the Firebolt alternate but I remember rushing to my speakers to mute the volume as there was little warning -- I regretted being 'spoiled' before having the chance to discover that cue with the rest of the Azkaban alternates in the set itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 What does the Firebolt music sound like? Could you describe it in detail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 There's a note, then another, and many more. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I bet it's pretty good. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 It's certainly better than Star Trek. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 As I don't listen to music anymore, I need other people to describe it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 hours ago, dougie said: As I don't listen to music anymore, I need other people to describe it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Do they really have boxes in Middle-Earth? I sense a historical inaccuracy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Do they really have boxes in Middle-Earth? I sense a historical inaccuracy here. Box IS an Old English word..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Yes, but England doesn't feature in Middle-Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Middle-earth is the north continent of Earth (Arda) in an imaginary period of the Earth's past (Tolkien placed the end of the Third Age at about 6,000 years before his own time), in the sense of a "secondary or sub-creational reality". Its general position is reminiscent of Europe, with the environs of the Shire intended to be reminiscent of England (more specifically, the West Midlands, with Hobbiton set at the same latitude as Oxford) On Rohan: The names and many details of their culture are derived from Germanic cultures, particularly that of the Anglo-Saxons and their Old English language, towards which Tolkien felt a strong affinity. Ultimately Anglo-Saxon England was defeated by the cavalry of the Normans at the Battle of Hastings, and some Tolkien scholars have speculated that the Rohirrim are Tolkien's wishful version of an Anglo-Saxon society that retained a "rider culture", and would have been able to resist such an invasion. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-earth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohan_(Middle-earth) Anyways this has nothing to do with Superman, and is in the wrong forum. Amer and Arpy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Do they really have boxes in Middle-Earth? I sense a historical inaccuracy here. In the extended cut Gimli refers to the central nervous system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: In the extended cut Gimli refers to the central nervous system! Do they really have nervous systems in Middle-Earth? I sense a historical inaccuracy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Do they really have nervous systems in Middle-Earth? I sense a historical inaccuracy here. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I have had some difficulties with this (wonderful) score because the film is so bad, so laughable that it is difficult to take it seriously. Well Lucas and Spielberg also made bad films that Williams scored, they loved music (and brought us wonderful music) thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, hornist said: ...the film is so bad, so laughable that it is difficult to take it seriously. Definitely not! It perfectly encapsulates what makes the character so beloved and has perhaps the best superhero performance in Reeves. Some parts are definitely dated but at the time there was nothing like it. bollemanneke and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozmo 13 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Just now, John said: Definitely not! It perfectly encapsulates what makes the character so beloved and has perhaps the best superhero performance in Reeves. Some parts are definitely dated but at the time there was nothing like it. It's still my favourite superhero movie! Amer and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 minute ago, John said: Definitely not! It perfectly encapsulates what makes the character so beloved and has perhaps the best superhero performance in Reeves. Some parts are definitely dated but at the time there was nothing like it. I just don't get it!! And I was 12 when I first saw it and am now over 50... Not for me this genre. And I hate all these new marvel films... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, hornist said: I hate all these new marvel films... 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 27 minutes ago, hornist said: And I hate all these new marvel films... Pretty weird for you to have watched more than two or three of them, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I guess he likes to do thorough research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Mike M with a "mic-drop" moment 😂 On a very rare occasion I might complain about a repeat purchase, but Superman?!?! Come on, it's been 10 years, not 10 months. They had me at "original 2-inch, 24-track music masters" Quote Quote If any label did this I might not ever buy from them ever again. Seriously, Superman has already stretched it to the point of ridiculousness. Only the fact the Blue Box exists saves that one. But I seem to be the only one who feels this way. Perhaps so. This is supposedly a community of people who care about classic film music being preserved and released and who support it as much as possible, isn't it? Your post seems to express the polar opposite of this. Is it ridiculous to have an expanded Superman: The Movie as a separate release? That was bound to happen anyway, even if it was just a reissue of the box set content. Or was it ridiculous for an independent label to use that opportunity to do a fresh hi-resolution capture of the scoring masters that had last been transferred 18 years prior? And then when the precious first generation masters were found to exist, was it ridiculous for the the label to spend money that the studio would NOT spend to preserve the material... and use that for their new release? With respect, what seems ridiculous to me is confining John Williams' Superman score to an out of print box set, as successful and stellar as that project was. Also ridiculous would be to not seize the opportunity to improve it, so that more people could get it and fall in love with it. The label would like to stay in business so it's also not ridiculous to get excited about the new version -- but the excitement is legitimate and well founded. No one is ever forced to buy anything, but when endeavors like this are successful it could open the door to others. After all, it was the success of the 1997 Star Wars releases that led to Rhino's expanded Superman in the first place. https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=134453&forumID=1&archive=0 Amer and anironwaffle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Daddy MM is angry. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted February 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2019 The Rhino release is Out Of Print. The Blue Box is Out Of Print. The full original OST program has never been legally sold in the USA. Of course a release combining the complete score with the OST should be available for anyone to buy. The fact it has improved sound and new alternates is just icing on the cake. No one is forcing anyone to buy it, so no one really has the right to complain. But this hobby is full of people who like to complain, and there are many outlets for them to complain at. That_Bloke, mstrox, ChrisAfonso and 4 others 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Yes! I think in cases like this some people complain because others who are buying this will have a better overall product than they currently do and therefore causing jealousy. Kind of weird, I know, but with a passionate "hobby" comes a lot of passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I'm quite looking forward to getting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I'll definitely get this (even if not immediately), and am glad they released it, as I'm one of the strange people who doesn't have any version of the score yet. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Where have you been for the last forty years - in a soundtrack monastery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: The full original OST program has never been legally sold in the USA. I would use "officially" instead of "legally". Or did I commit a crime when I bought my copy from a private collection on Ebay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Where have you been for the last forty years - in a soundtrack monastery? The earlier releases were before my collector's releases time, and the blue box was too expensive for a lot of stuff I'm not interested in, so this is actually the perfect occasion to finally get this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Sooo, anyone got their shipping notice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I was hoping to get mine today since I ordered within minutes of the announcement. Nothing yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, crocodile said: There was also Japanese release that did have those two on but that's quite difficult to find. It might be a bit out of immediate reach, but a quick eBay search will turn up many results. I'll tell you what's hard to find and expensive, the Japanese CD release of Superman II and III. I waited about a year for one to show up and finally one did on Amazon for $80, so I picked it up. It's a surprisingly handsome presentation of the music from those two films and a fun listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, crocodile said: There was also Japanese release that did have those two on but that's quite difficult to find. I think it's still available at amazon.co.jp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Well, I did see it on eBay for £50. Not paying that. It's not a US release which is my main point anyway. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 2 hours ago, crocodile said: The OST, as presented on LP in 1978, was never released on CD in the US. The CD album that was released omitted two tracks (Growing Up and Lex Luthor's Lair). There was also Japanese release that did have those two on but that's quite difficult to find. So yes, you can theoretically get the full OST on CD but it was never released in the US. They said it wouldn't start shipping before the 22nd. Karol Exactly. My post was made on the 22nd...so I guess it wasn't shipped on the 22nd after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,983 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Ah, I thought you meant the set. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, crocodile said: Ah, I thought you meant you meant the set. Karol I did read that they were going to work over the weekend to get the sets out to people as soon as possible. Going to be such a long wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2019 The only people that complain about a third Superman or a fourth Poltergeist II or even a fifth Blue Max release are those who have an inner compulsion to buy every slightly improved special edition. A simple reissue wouldn't bother them, because in this case their OCD doesn't force them to buy the new edition. But why should a caring special label not use the opportunity and improve an OOP title, when there is space for improvement? Many people stupidly interprete that as a "milk the cow"-action, while in reality the intention is to make an article available again. As a customer you can either buy the product and be fine with it or not buy the product and be - surprise, surprise - fine with it. Anything else is neither the producers' nor the forums users' problem. Ricard, Bryant Burnette and Bayesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I got the Japanese edition with the Obi intact a few years ago. Being my first soundtrack ever, I still get a kick over it. I don't know how Warner Japan ended up with the album master because this version came out a year after the US edition. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,493 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 @Amer, that's "I still get a kick out of it". 31 minutes ago, Amer said: I don't know how Warner Japan ended up with the album master... Er..maybe the clue is in "Warner Japan"? Jurassic Shark and Amer 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Japan had the technology to do a 78 minute CD. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Things have been really quiet considering shipping was due to start yesterday! I'm sure they're doing everything they can to get orders out. It's just a bit strange that the 22nd came and went seemingly without a peep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,337 Posted February 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2019 That's because it's not selling well. Nobody bought this junk. I alraedy pointed that out on Rotten Tomatoes four months ago. mstrox, Ollie, Holko and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Just in case someone was wanting it: The second Disc has a higher resolution version of the cover: https://theseconddisc.com/2019/02/you-will-believe-la-la-land-restores-williams-superman-score-for-40th-anniversary/ anironwaffle and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 It's probably just an upsample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: It's probably just an upsample. Compare to the version on the LLL website: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I remember my dad's old video tape had "Superman One" written on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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