Popular Post Tallguy 110 Posted November 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2020 I just remember when Superman came out on DVD and my family was at my folk's house. This was going to be the "let's show off the fancy sound system and this new DVD thing". Both of my brothers are professional musicians. When it got to that part they both exclaimed in unison "It's sharp!" bigjimwilson, bruce marshall and Datameister 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 It's just that I recall reading that THE BEATLES did alot of manipulating of speed and pitch. They could change keys upward without it sounding like it was sped up. Fwiw Link to post Share on other sites
Datameister 1216 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 4 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: It's just that I recall reading that THE BEATLES did alot of manipulating of speed and pitch. They could change keys upward without it sounding like it was sped up. Fwiw I could be wrong, but I believe that was all done by changing the speed - they would play/sing slower or faster to compensate. Same principle with the Chipmunks back in the day, although that was obviously a more extreme case. Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Right . For example , the instrumental break from IN MY LIFE is a piano sped up . It not only increase speed but pitch, making it sound like harpsichord. On STRAWBERRY FIELDS , iirc, there were two sections recorded in different keys. The engineer was able to raise the pitch so they matched. I guess the voice sounded slightly higher also Link to post Share on other sites
Tallguy 110 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 With The Beatles (or even the mice in Cinderella) you're describing scenarios where the knew ahead of time that they were going to change the pitch and compensated with the speed to match. In Superman they just wanted the timing changed and hoped no one would notice the pitch. I'd argue they got away with it. bruce marshall 1 Link to post Share on other sites
E-Wan 46 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 11/28/2020 at 2:10 PM, SyncMan said: @E-Wan,if this matters, the DVD and Blu Ray releases of 'Superman' have an ‘isolated music score’ audio track where the music is edited and sync’d with the film. Otherwise, what project are you working on that you have to do the sync’ing/edits yourself? I'm preparing my lecture about John Williams' scores for sci-fi films where I'm going to use some film scenes with music only. bruce marshall 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 20808 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Why not just sync LLL track #1 to the film then? The audience won't have any clue that the actual film used a sped up end titles instead Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 The special edition had an isolated score..... Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 20808 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Oh yea, that's true. You don't have to make an iso track yourself, the old dvds already have it Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Oh yea, that's true. You don't have to make an iso track yourself, the old dvds already have it And the Special Edition + TV Cut Blu-Ray. Link to post Share on other sites
E-Wan 46 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: Why not just sync LLL track #1 to the film then? The audience won't have any clue that the actual film used a sped up end titles instead Yes, you're right. I have tried to synchronize it and it fits and sounds wonderfully. Thanks for a good idea! Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 20808 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 No problem! Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: Why not just sync LLL track #1 to the film then? The audience won't have any clue that the actual film used a sped up end titles instead Yeah. How can you not know that?"😉 The waiting around is the 😵worst part" Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 58 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: The waiting around is the 😵worst part" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMyCa35_mOg bruce marshall 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Tis here! So.....it appears the only cue NOT on this release.is ' Lex' Luau' that appears on my RHINO? Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 45 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: Tis here! So.....it appears the only cue NOT on this release.is ' Lex' Luau' that appears on my RHINO? Its on the Superman II/III set. The alternate Can You Read My Mind as well. bruce marshall 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 I meant on either FSM or RHINO. Not a fan of other films Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: I meant on either FSM or RHINO. Not a fan of other films I am saying those alts and source cues from the Rhino and FSM are not on here, and the reason is because they are on that other set. (BTW, for those who care, some early unrecorded versions of cues were rerecorded for the sequels) bruce marshall 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 I understand what you said😊 Link to post Share on other sites
Smeltington 846 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Spider-Fal said: some early unrecorded versions of cues were rerecorded for the sequels Do we have a list of those somewhere? Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Smeltington said: Do we have a list of those somewhere? "Clark Fumbles Rescue" from Superman II is a "rerecording" of the original version of "To the Lair" Link to post Share on other sites
Smeltington 846 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Cool, thanks. Is that the only one? Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Smeltington said: Cool, thanks. Is that the only one? The only really obvious one I remember at the moment. Its also possible some of the other reuses in II include stuff that was changed at the podium for STM, but recorded closer to as written. Link to post Share on other sites
Smeltington 846 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Did "Clark Fumbles Rescue" have any changes at all from the sheet music for the original "To the Lair"? Link to post Share on other sites
Amer 1222 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 Uuyui Link to post Share on other sites
Smeltington 846 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 minute ago, Amer said: Uuyui Sorry I didn't catch that. Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, Smeltington said: Did "Clark Fumbles Rescue" have any changes at all from the sheet music for the original "To the Lair"? Other than Ken Thorne adapting to the scene? Not sure. Link to post Share on other sites
Smeltington 846 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 It sounds like it might have been compromised! Link to post Share on other sites
blondheim 429 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 So as I understand it there are two endings to the Superman March material. There is the Main Title, which ends with an extra crash from the orchestra, and the End Title, same authoritative brass but without the final crescendo and crash. As I had understood it, the Theme from Superman track was the original Prelude attached to the End Title, however that cue on the La-La Land has the extra bop which means it is the Main Title? I doubt a mistake was made, just want to make sure I am correctly understanding Williams original album assembly. Link to post Share on other sites
Permanent Waves 2493 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Doesn't the alternate end differently too? Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Now playing. Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 20808 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 16 hours ago, blondheim said: So as I understand it there are two endings to the Superman March material. There is the Main Title, which ends with an extra crash from the orchestra, and the End Title, same authoritative brass but without the final crescendo and crash. As I had understood it, the Theme from Superman track was the original Prelude attached to the End Title, however that cue on the La-La Land has the extra bop which means it is the Main Title? I doubt a mistake was made, just want to make sure I am correctly understanding Williams original album assembly. It's the end title primarily, with the extra crash from the main title. I think it is explained in the liner notes (it was in the FSM 2008 version), if not I think we just went over it on a recent page here blondheim 1 Link to post Share on other sites
blondheim 429 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Thanks. It's not like we don't have every combination of Prelude and Main Titles that there could possibly be Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 There are still unreleased alternates. I demand they be released! We need a new edition produced that is really, truly, honestly COMPLETE!😵 Link to post Share on other sites
Jurassic Shark 7136 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 You lunatic completist! Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Until every last take, of every last cue, of every last alternate.... Link to post Share on other sites
Jurassic Shark 7136 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I don't see the problem of that as long as it's economically viable. Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 You mean folks here actually pay for those session " leaks"?! Link to post Share on other sites
Jurassic Shark 7136 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I reckon there's people here who would, yeah. Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 These cheapskates!? They won't even buy my CDs! Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Jay 20808 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 10 hours ago, bruce marshall said: There are still unreleased alternates. No there is not Chewy, bruce marshall and Jurassic Shark 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 One can always count on our Jay to not get the joke.😊😁 Link to post Share on other sites
Holko 5877 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 It's hard when there's no joke to get. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You lunatic completist! Link to post Share on other sites
AJM 6 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 1/10/2021 at 8:20 AM, bruce marshall said: Until every last take, of every last cue, of every last alternate.... It seems so pointless having the sessions when a definitive edition has been prepared and released just to have a cue with so many takes with probably little or no variation. If there was anything substantially different, I am sure it would have been on the La-La Land set. bruce marshall 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Pellaeon 431 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 This has been “temporarily out of stock” for a very long time. :/ Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Wish the notes had less bio and more info. 4 hours ago, Pellaeon said: This has been “temporarily out of stock” for a very long time. :/ That's life in Lalaland. Link to post Share on other sites
Bespin 4764 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I can certify I bought 8 new releases in my latest order on ScreenArchive and I didn't read any of the booklets. Judge me. Link to post Share on other sites
bruce marshall 766 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I have one copy for sale: $500. Cheap!😜 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post ATXHusker 736 Posted March 4 Popular Post Share Posted March 4 Back in stock! BACK IN STOCK! SUPERMAN THE MOVIE - SCHINDLER'S LIST - 2 MULES! These acclaimed limited edition CD soundtracks are back in stock NOW at www.lalalandrecords.com SUPERMAN THE MOVIE: 40th ANNIVERSARY (3-CD SET) by John Williams SCHINDLER'S LIST: 25th ANNIVERSARY (2-CD SET) by John Williams TWO MULES FOR SISTER SARA: 50th ANNIVERSARY (2-CD SET) by Ennio Morricone Re-stocks on these titles always sell out quickly, so get yours now! Also, our pricing on our KING COHEN and THE SPECIALS Blu-rays has been reduced to $15.98 each! Coming 3/16: Our new releases of TIME TUNNEL VOL 1 (3-CD SET) and FRIDAY THE 13 PART VIII: JASON TAKES MANHATTAN are available to order starting 3/16 at 12 noon pst! © 2021 La-La Land Records. All Rights Reserved. Tom Guernsey, OneBuckFilms and Bespin 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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