rough cut 1,714 Posted April 7, 2019 Share Posted April 7, 2019 Spitting image! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Just got the CD, got it on the hifi now. Balling my eyes out and I'm only on track 2 - Close Encounters Stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 11, 2019 I found the sound of this release to be very unsatisfying in the low-end, personally. Compare the trombone sounds between the two Holko, The Illustrious Jerry and Jurassic Shark 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 They could have done more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Where's the oomph?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 A skipping through was enough for me to not even want to listen to the whole thing, in addition to it being about the 250th album like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 The LA Phil is an amazing group of musicians and I have no issue with the performances. Very strange sound choices to my ears. I dunno if it was mike placement, mixing, mastering, or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Two words: Sean Murphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I found the sound of this release to be very unsatisfying in the low-end, personally. Compare the trombone sounds between the two Part of it is I think a stylistic choice of Dudamel to have the trombones not as loud, but yes it’s also mixed weirdly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 4 hours ago, aj_vader said: Balling my eyes out and I'm only on track 2 I think you mean "bawling." "Balling" one's eyes out would be something very different... mstrox and aj_vader 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 11, 2019 Share Posted April 11, 2019 Hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,096 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 11 hours ago, aj_vader said: Just got the CD, got it on the hifi now. Balling my eyes out and I'm only on track 2 - Close Encounters Stunning. At least no Digipack this time! aj_vader 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 I hate snakes digipaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 You guys are exaggerating about the sound. It’s fine. Now let’s hope for a volume two with a more “deep cut” tracklist! Bring on the new arrangements of HS&TP, Leaving Home, the Oscar arrangement of The Book Thief! Monsignor! Yes, Giorgio! Botanicus! I would love a new recording of “Training With George” from Eiger Sanction. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Agreed, The Last Crusade is odd in terms of balance, performance and mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 For those of you who are planning to purchase a physical copy of this album, it's considerably less expensive on Presto Classical and Europadisc than on the Amazons: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8607317--celebrating-john-williams https://www.europadisc.co.uk/classical/141313/Celebrating_John_Williams.htm lairdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pete 907 Posted May 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 9, 2019 The whole Tokyo concert just popped up courtesy of YouTube's amazing "recommended videos" magic thing... Ricard, SteveMc, crumbs and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Scheiiibenkleister! Wasn't that take on Olympic Theme and Fanfare a tad too slow? Duda looks a little tired too. Probably jetlag! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Make sure to download it before it disappears. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I saw this c.d for 30$ in store...pretty expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 minute ago, King Mark said: I saw this c.d for 30$ in store...pretty expensive On 4/12/2019 at 4:37 PM, Jurassic Shark said: For those of you who are planning to purchase a physical copy of this album, it's considerably less expensive on Presto Classical and Europadisc than on the Amazons: https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/8607317--celebrating-john-williams https://www.europadisc.co.uk/classical/141313/Celebrating_John_Williams.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 I love this album, I listen to it non stop! The Illustrious Jerry and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 The Sayury’s theme, the Yoda’s theme, this incredibly Throne Room finale, this absolutely moving adagio from TFA, the HP suite. Is this a perfect album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 No, but it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 It's much more than that, it's the best JW re-recording of the century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmartigan JC 85 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 On 5/9/2019 at 6:45 AM, pete said: The whole Tokyo concert just popped up courtesy of YouTube's amazing "recommended videos" magic thing... Fantastic performance! Thank you so much! pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bespin said: It's much more than that, it's the best JW re-recording of the century. There's not much competition, though, except for The Spielberg/Williams Collaboration part III, which is better recorded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,516 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Much better. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Indeed. I'd say the Lockhart album is about on the same level as the Duda when it comes to the quality of recording. Matt S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 You even don't know what is a well recorded album, you listen your music on shit music systems and cheap earphones. It starts to annoys me that habit of everyone to try to show he's a top sound engineer that knows everything about recording music. "This should sounds like this, this should sound like that, this is better than this". First that's childish, then your expertise is totally unrelevant and unrequited here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2019 The sound is fine. Not spectacular, but never having heard the hall live, I suppose most of the "issues" (or rather peculiarities) of the acoustics might just be attributed to the hall itself, and sometimes perhaps Dudamel's balancing of the orchestra sections. The album itself is... also fine. Very well played, of course, and competently conducted. But I rarely hear anything that I don't prefer on other recordings. Dudamel always goes for excitement, but in my opinion he often loses track of the overall arc of a piece. Williams's own, more measured, recordings have that. Gerhardt showed that you can definitely disconnect the compositions from their film beats and modify the tempi and rubati and whatnot for a concert setting, but in Dudamel's case, it often sounds a bit too hasty to my ears, in fact frequently giving the impression of accelerating (which it probably doesn't, but the effect is there for me). Some of it might also be due to the orchestral balance; in several spots Dudamel seems to gloss over little (but, I think, significant) details. Or in other words: Most of it sounds a bit superficial to me. There *are* a few highlights. Out to Sea and The Shark Cage Fugue are mostly terrific, and the Imperial March, despite also giving the impression of involuntarily accelerating a bit, is possibly my second favourite recording of the piece. I'm not especially fond of the new Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra arrangement though; the original version has a wonderfully relentless drive, which gets rather lost with all the new bits and pieces spliced in. The performance is quite exciting, but the Boston Pops strings on The Spielberg/Williams Collaboration handle the rhythmic accents better. Having heard the Brosse/LSO concert live, it's of course nearly impossible to compare the two, but it does seem to me that the London concert was clearly the better of the two. It also had its share of balance issues (especially an echoing snare drum), but I suppose all of those were due to the acoustics, and the LSO's own balance was probably a notch above the LA Phil's. And Brosse's grasp and control of the pieces seemed absolutely spot on to me. SteveMc, The Illustrious Jerry, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, Bespin said: You even don't know what is a well recorded album, you listen your music on shit music systems and cheap earphones. It starts to annoys me that habit of everyone to try to show he's a top sound engineer that knows everything about recording music. "This should sounds like this, this should sound like that, this is better than this". First that's childish, then your expertise is totally unrelevant and unrequited here. To me it seems you're the one who think you know better than everybody else. If you can't hear that the recorded orchestral balance is off in the Duda and Lockhart albums, I suspect you're the one listening on cheap equipment. Matt S. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 On 5/9/2019 at 10:45 AM, pete said: The whole Tokyo concert just popped up courtesy of YouTube's amazing "recommended videos" magic thing... Wow! that Imperial March is better than the one on the John Williams Celebration album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: To me it seems you're the one who think you know better than everybody else. If you can't hear that the recorded orchestral balance is off in the Duda and Lockhart albums, I suspect you're the one listening on cheap equipment. Your participation is like poison to this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Bespin said: Your participation is like poison to this forum. Again, you're projecting your own faults onto others. Didn't you leave the forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Marion’s Theme. I am so happy that this is on here. A lengthy concert arrangement was on my wish list for years. And now we have two good recordings in as many years: on the Spielberg/Williams Collab Part III, and now here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, rough cut said: Marion’s Theme. I am so happy that this is on here. A lengthy concert arrangement was on my wish list for years. And now we have two good recordings in as many years: on the Spielberg/Williams Collab Part III, and now here. Do you prefer one over the other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 The Duda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 Are we certain that the arrangements are identical - that JW didn't tweak it a bit for the Duda album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 It sounds to me as if it’s the same arrangement. The Williams recording is better, but the subtleties are really subtle, Dudamel brings those details into the light and gives it a bit more color. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 The Dudamel performances are the Signature Editions, whereas what Williams recorded often isn't. I noticed slight orchestration variations in the Flight to Neverland when compared to the "Williams on Williams" album, and looking at the Signature Edition score it matches the Dudamel but not the Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 As long as they don't use the Zimmer Edition! Martinland 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinland 358 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 On 5/13/2019 at 4:45 PM, rough cut said: Marion’s Theme. [...] on the Spielberg/Williams Collab Part III That was the only reason to buy that one, right? Scam I skipped; will extract the audio from this fabulous Tokyo concert recording, done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Martinland said: That was the only reason to buy that one, right? It's honestly one of the best compilation-style albums Williams has ever recorded. Amazing performances, and one of the best sounding orchestral recordings of recent memory for me. It's a must-own for every Williams fan I think. Holko, Amer and Ricard 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Yea, I dunno what Martinland is talking about. There are 16 great reasons to buy Spielberg/Williams III Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Yeah, great album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinland 358 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 On 5/15/2019 at 3:24 PM, Jay said: I dunno what Martinland is talking about. I am sorry if my answer was confusing, I should have explained: Hopefully the third album is available individually on CD by now; it's not about the performances, it's about content and marketing. Good to know those are splendid performances! Up until 2015 I have been collecting everything Williams (cassette dubs back in the early 90s, boots, LPs of scores unreleased on CD, concert work recordings, you name it), some of you know that feeling. Then I had first doubts (e.g. liking original albums more than each and every expansion) and this particular announcement was really hard to say yes to for me (= easy to say no): Not only would I have had to re-buy two perfectly fine albums I already owned and treasured for decades, but the content of the third I considered "less classic" and did exist individually on the respective score CDs except for that Marion's Theme (which is now available thanks to Tokyo) and Escapades, which we all heard live in Madrid, unforgettable - needless to say I started to say no (it's just me, don't worry) to a lot of albums until the point where, especially after being unable to experience the magic of seeing John Williams conducting (once more), this time with our daughter, in Vienna last year I just stopped collecting. I have so much to treasure and listen to, lasting me another lifetime. So this is my collector's story coming full circle. Hopefully this explains my snappy answer above and, again, I am sorry for any confusion that may have caused. Have a better one, ML Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Martinland said: it's not about the performances, it's about content and marketing. 6 minutes ago, Martinland said: had to re-buy two perfectly fine albums I already owned and treasured for decades Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,191 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, Martinland said: Hopefully the third album is available individually on CD by now Hasn't it always been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Martinland said: I am sorry if my answer was confusing, I should have explained: Hopefully the third album is available individually on CD by now; it's not about the performances, it's about content and marketing. Good to know those are splendid performances! Up until 2015 I have been collecting everything Williams (cassette dubs back in the early 90s, boots, LPs of scores unreleased on CD, concert work recordings, you name it), some of you know that feeling. Then I had first doubts (e.g. liking original albums more than each and every expansion) and this particular announcement was really hard to say yes to for me (= easy to say no): Not only would I have had to re-buy two perfectly fine albums I already owned and treasured for decades, but the content of the third I considered "less classic" and did exist individually on the respective score CDs except for that Marion's Theme (which is now available thanks to Tokyo) and Escapades, which we all heard live in Madrid, unforgettable - needless to say I started to say no (it's just me, don't worry) to a lot of albums until the point where, especially after being unable to experience the magic of seeing John Williams conducting (once more), this time with our daughter, in Vienna last year I just stopped collecting. I have so much to treasure and listen to, lasting me another lifetime. So this is my collector's story coming full circle. Hopefully this explains my snappy answer above and, again, I am sorry for any confusion that may have caused. Have a better one, ML *shrug* I just bought the box that had all 3 volumes on CD, even though I already owned the first two 1 minute ago, Marian Schedenig said: Hasn't it always been? No, not individually, which is the entirety of what he's talking about. It was only released digitally as its own album. Physically, it's only in the "Ultimate" box set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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