Laserschwert 475 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 I have to disagree strongly with Roger saying "Nobody is buying a release for the artwork". If he took just a quick glance at what LaLaLand and Jim Titus have done i.e. for Harry Potter (and of course countless other releases), I'd say good art direction goes hand in hand with a great release and heightens its value. That being said, the Apollo 13 covers aren't lacking art direction, but basic Photoshop skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 @Laserschwert Agreed! See my response below on the FSM board. Quote Roger, I'm a big fan of what the fine folks at Intrada do for the film score community, but can you honestly say that you would entertain the thought of announcing and selling a soundtrack without showing potential customers what the product would look like? That just doesn't make any sense, and would be detrimental to sales of your product. To say that putting up artwork on the site is a "courtesy" is silly. Maybe the better response / solution is to have a disclaimer, i.e. "*Artwork / graphics may not be representative of the final presentation" or something like that. Just my $.02... Keep up the great work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post karelm 2,913 Posted January 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2019 Just an interesting side note for space nerds like me, Apollo 8 was the first manned flight to leave Earth orbit in December, 1968, just six months before Niel and Buzz walked on the surface. Apollo 8 was commanded by Jim Lovell who would have walked on the moon on Apollo 13 and was portrayed by Tom Hanks. The crew of Apollo 8 were Time's Man (men) of the year for 1968: And all three are still with us and reconnected three weeks ago for a redo! These guys have The Right Stuff! This is the 50th anniversary photo of these same guys with their craft (Lovell/Hanks in the center): This iconic photo of "Earthrise" was taken 50 years ago on December 24, 1968, by the guy on the left, William Anders. It is one of the most influential photographs ever taken. Dr. Rick, Holko, Joe Brausam and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackR 95 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I've been a space/NASA junkie since I was a kid. I can't believe I haven't seen that reunion photo until now. Thank you. As to Roger's responses over at FSM, they don't really make any sense and seem to be an overreaction. Having said that, I know a TON of work goes into these projects just based on what little I hear online and perhaps he was just caught at a bad moment after a particularly stressful day or project. We're all human and we all have bad days. At the end of the day, we're getting APOLLO 13 done by Mike Matessino! I was thrilled to learn this was coming at all, but OVERJOYED to hear Mike had done this. I never expected that! Can this man please do EVERY score that I love? Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Well I ordered this along with the long overdue purchase of Star Trek II (not Intrada but sold on their site) and Chinatown. Can't wait to hear Apollo 13 done by our esteemed Mike Matessino! And personally I don't really get riled about the digital album cover very much (and now they sort of fixed it). I am sure the actual CD booklet will be OK (no missing teeth in this one I hope) and the fantastic music is what counts. I actually think Matessino's decision to include the short electronically produced cues outside the main programme is a great one for listening experience purposes and his helpful notes also allow us to insert these pieces back into the chronological presentation if we so wish. Best of both worlds and goes with Mike's current philosophy of these score presentations that have in part become more listening experience conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I'm certainly a fan of not just putting everything in chronological order because that's what the "fans" think is the only "correct" way to present a complete score release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 In the times of digital libraries this doesn't really matter. Karol Kasey Kockroach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 I realised that a version of the Main Title I've had for about 15 years is the Prague re-recording. The string statement at the end is slower and richer than the score version. The Erich Kunzel version of Re-Entry and Splashdown also works very well as a more concert-like presentation, omitting the more dramatic/tragic-suggestive section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2019 3 hours ago, crocodile said: In the times of digital libraries this doesn't really matter. Karol It does if certain edits make it impossible for people to easily create their own C&C presentation. A. A. Ron, enderdrag64 and TSMefford 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 7:22 PM, NL197 said: http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/apollo-13-expanded-edition-our-exclusive-review/ We also included info about the different releases and how the promo was initially distributed to the public via the DVD. The following cues are verbatim on both discs: Lunar Dreams All Systems Go - The Launch Docking The Dark Side Of The Moon Carbon Dioxide Manual Burn Four More Amps Great review and analysis @NL197! Really looking forward to hearing this new presentation! NL197 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,108 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 My order of Apollo 13 has shipped along with *batteries not included. Should be fun for back to back 2CD sets of pure James Horner bliss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 On 1/15/2019 at 9:45 PM, Faleel J.M. said: According to Erik Woods the art for Mummy Returns and others also had problems and the online art matched the printed booklets Also apparently Jaws: The Revenge had major pixellation on one of the printed covers. Intrada also doesn't seem to want to provide decent hi-res online covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 That blobby black title logo hastily pasted in looks like something I might have attempted in MS Paint in 2001. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Intrada, this is basic photo editing skills, do you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/19/2019 at 3:37 AM, JTWfan77 said: Also apparently Jaws: The Revenge had major pixellation on one of the printed covers. Intrada also doesn't seem to want to provide decent hi-res online covers. Covers are just a courtesy. We don't really pay for them. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 That's absurd. Anything the manufacturer includes in the finished product is paid for by either the customer, the manufacturer for a loss, or is somehow free. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 7 hours ago, dougie said: Covers are just a courtesy. We don't really pay for them. We do, as part of the product. Maybe not for them to be put on their website, but isn't that just part of basic marketing? For someone to suggest that putting the digital cover art on their site represents a cost... I'm just confused about what part of the process incurs that cost. My copy has arrived in the UK so I should have it within a few days. On 1/16/2019 at 1:32 AM, ZackR said: As to Roger's responses over at FSM, they don't really make any sense and seem to be an overreaction. Having said that, I know a TON of work goes into these projects just based on what little I hear online and perhaps he was just caught at a bad moment after a particularly stressful day or project. We're all human and we all have bad days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockdown 238 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 1:05 AM, Amer said: My order of Apollo 13 has shipped along with *batteries not included. Should be fun for back to back 2CD sets of pure James Horner bliss! That's unfortunate. There's no where in the description noting that batteries weren't included. Amer and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Is anyone else not really bothered about the 2nd CD? It's nice to have it for posterity I suppose but I'm just going with the film version of the score. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I'm reserving judgment on the score without electronics presentation on disc 1, but I wouldn't be surprised if disc 2 remains the best presentation this score will ever have. I'm thrilled it was included! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 As long as these tracks have clean transitions without dialog, that'll be good. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I like the OST with the movie lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 12 hours ago, dougie said: Covers are just a courtesy. We don't really pay for them. It's weird that Intrada has this attitude when Varese and LLL seem quite happy and willing to provide (at no charge) high resolution covers to consumers via their websites /social media. I asked Intrada (via the Soundtrack Doctor sub-forum on their site) about providing higher than 600px covers and they seemed rather puzzled at the request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I just use my own cover choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 19 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Is anyone else not really bothered about the 2nd CD? It's nice to have it for posterity I suppose but I'm just going with the film version of the score. Well it is a bit the same as with The Rocketeer where the second disc houses the original OST presentation (and the last cues of the film version of the score). I usually prefer the film version but every once in a while I choose the more concise listening experience. I expect it is the same with Apollo 13 or I'll probably relegate the alternate material from the OST to my complete score playlist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 People in the FSM thread have posted receiving it and saying the artwork is fine They just uploaded the wrong version to the website initially Henry Sítrónu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Is it safe for me to order directly from Intrada without getting into customs troubles? I just tried ordering this twice from Music Box Records, but they keep declining my Visa card. EDIT: Never mind, it worked in the end, I went through PayPal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Are autographed copies still available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 Wrong thread? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 It's woj, don't bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hmmm, this is one of the few Tom Hanks movies I haven't seen yet. Definitely on my to do list! I hear the movie is great, but the score is better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 6 hours ago, W0$ said: Are autographed copies still available? Too soon Woj! Too soon! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,012 Posted January 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 23, 2019 Mine is waiting for me at the post office. I'll pick it up after work. The thought of it makes me very horn(er)y. Karol Incanus, bollemanneke and Smeltington 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 According to tracking my copy is making its way here from Amsterdam so it should arrive next week at the latest. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 My copy arrived at my local delivery office this morning so it will arrive tomorrow at the very latest. I bundled in The Mummy Returns which took me longer to decide on whether I wanted it. Like with the LLL package, it seemed to go on a tour of USPS facilities for quite a few days. I wonder though whether this is simply because everyone is watching their tracking like a hawk now, and every additional day seems like an eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Incanus said: Too soon Woj! Too soon! Matessino's autograph. Who did you think I meant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Vincent 234 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/22/2019 at 5:04 PM, Jay said: People in the FSM thread have posted receiving it and saying the artwork is fine They just uploaded the wrong version to the website initially The artwork is fine unless you look at the cover with bright light, although not very good. BTW, I think it was a good decision to present the orchestral cues first and then the electronic cues. I listened to all the cues chronologically and didn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I don't understand this non-chronological trend. Why can't the score just tell the film's story? That's literally its only fuction. Smeltington and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Richard Penna 3,688 Posted January 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2019 32 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I don't understand this non-chronological trend. Why can't the score just tell the film's story? That's literally its only fuction. Well, it's basically a way of suggesting that the orchestral parts work well as a whole, with the synth bits being 'extras'. In theory it addresses the Thor conundrum - present the score as a listening experience but include all the bits needed to make it complete in their own section. Everyone wins. Although there's a side of me that finds it a bit.... patronising I guess? I say that because I don't like the idea that someone is telling me which parts of a score I should find interesting. In this case, I think the synth cues actually work really well in their correct place - as bolle mentioned they're part of telling the film's story. Smeltington, bollemanneke and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 The only cue I can make the case for not working as a listening experience is "Marilyn's Nightmare" because it's so disruptive to the flow of the overall listen. Beyond that, I like all of the electronic cues, specifically 'Square Peg' and 'Cosmic Connection'. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Cosmic Connection is really cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 The bad photoshop job is quite clear on my copy, but maybe that's just because I know it's there. It can be seen in normal lighting. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2019 Don't tell me how to Photoshop the damn cover, okay? You brought me in here to do a job! You asked me to Photoshop the damn cover and I Photoshopped the cover!! This is not my fault!!! Bayesian, bollemanneke and NL197 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 GIMP FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NL197 368 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Horner's Dynamic Range said: Don't tell me how to Photoshop the damn cover, okay? You brought me in here to do a job! You asked me to Photoshop the damn cover and I Photoshopped the cover!! This is not my fault!!! No one is saying it is. If I'm in the left hand seat and the call comes up, I Photoshop the cover. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I've decided to go with chronological order for my library presentation but created a separate list following Intrada's presentation if I ever fancy listening to it this way. It's such a gorgeous score. Perhaps not Horner's most sophisticated or complex but, boy, does it have some feels. Karol Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 1 hour ago, crocodile said: I've decided to go with chronological order for my library presentation but created a separate list following Intrada's presentation if I ever fancy listening to it this way. It's such a gorgeous score. Perhaps not Horner's most sophisticated or complex but, boy, does it have some feels. Karol I remember how much the music affected me when I first saw the film (we watched it at school). It had such great uplifting feeling to it all, especially the finale. bollemanneke and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zanobard 71 Posted January 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2019 Mine arrived today 😃 The artwork looks pretty great (no signs of the dodgy logo editing as far as I could tell) and the score itself - I'm listening to it right now - sounds phenomenal. Richard Penna, Incanus and crocodile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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