bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Nearly finished Bach's cantatas after a year. I need help, I need help. He needs help. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 What a stamina! Which recordings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Suzuki. Love the choir, but their stamina must be thrice as good as mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Mozart's requiem. WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Which recording? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The one with Mozart! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Which recording? Don't you remember? After the Marriner recording, human society agreed to destroy all other existing recordings and never record the piece again. Why mess with perfection! Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Disco Stu said: Don't you remember? After the Marriner recording, human society agreed to destroy all other existing recordings and never record the piece again. Why mess with perfection! Can't disagree about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Mozart's Requiem The Muzak Way... not sure about that. Not that I dislike Neville Marriner's recordings, but... modern instruments, lush sound... it fits some works better than others. I prefer Christopher Hoogwood's version with Emma Kirkby. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The great aspect of Hogwood's recording is indeed Emma Kirkby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bespin said: Chritopher Hophwood I don't know who this guy is, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 It looks like a boy, it sounds like a boy, so it's a b... Emma Kirkby! 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: I don't know who this guy is, though. My autocorrect neither it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 On 18/10/2021 at 2:35 PM, Jurassic Shark said: What a stamina! Which recordings? Karajan, with Lipp, Dermota etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 R.I.P. Bernard Haitink bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: R.I.P. Bernard Haitink RIP indeed, but a fine age to live to and a great legacy. His recording of Shostakovich 5 was the first one I bought and remains my favourite to this day (he doesn't labour the finale as much as others) and the double Philips album featuring his recordings of Debussy complete (or nearly) orchestral works was my introduction to Debussy and remains a favourite. Listening to his superb Shostakovich 10 (coupled with the 2nd, which I still don't like much, good though this performance is) in tribute. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 He conducted my favourite version of Britten's PETER GRIMES: The R.O.H. Orchestra and Chorus with Johnson, Lott, and Allen. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Naïve Old Fart said: He conducted my favourite version of Britten's PETER GRIMES: The R.O.H. Orchestra and Chorus with Johnson, Lott, and Allen. I just can't listen to a Grimes without Peter Pears singing the lead. Feels wrong! Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I know what you mean, @Disco Stu, but I still like the Haitink version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Beethoven's 8, Karajan, 1960s. The symphony is already bad as it is, but he ruined the 3th movement too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Bad? Then you just need to hear a better performance. Try Cluytens, and if that's not your cup of tea, try Paavo Järvi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Nah, I've heard the 8th several times by different conductors and just think it's a really boring piece of music. I have no idea why Beethoven thought the 7th was worse than the 8th. 7 is a masterpiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 55 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: 7 is a masterpiece. At least we can agree about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 . Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Today is United Nations Day, so I listened to Copland's stirring Preamble for a Solemn Occasion. Written in 1949 for an NBC commission, in its original form it features a narrator performing a reading of the Preamble to the United Nations Charter, although the version with narrator is seldom recorded. I consider the piece to be like a little sequel to the famous Lincoln Portrait. Here is one with the narrator (narration starts at 3:23). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Beethoven 9, Karajan, 1960s. That was interesting. First movement sickeningly slow and ponderous, I'll stick to Benjamin Zander. Second movement amazing except for the repetitions. Third movement great too. Fourth movement really intense and good until choir came in. Am I the only one who understands that if 50 people sing with vibrato they will ultimately all sound off-key? It just became too sloppy and overwhelming. I'm sticking with Rattle and Berlin for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Second movement amazing except for the repetitions Whereas I'm the kind of person who gets really annoyed by Haydn recordings that ignore the repeats. But as I remember we had an epic thread about your aversion to repeats several years ago. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 I'm sorry if it left you traumatised. But yes, I hate repetitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, bollemanneke said: I'm sorry if it left you traumatised. But yes, I hate repetitions. I found the thread and I stand by my assessment from then lol On 25/07/2016 at 12:38 PM, Disco Stu said: It's not wrong. Just weird. Good lord it was more than 5 years ago, not sure why that thread stayed in my memory this long. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Beethoven 9, Karajan, 1960s. That was interesting. First movement sickeningly slow and ponderous, I'll stick to Benjamin Zander. Second movement amazing except for the repetitions. Third movement great too. Fourth movement really intense and good until choir came in. Am I the only one who understands that if 50 people sing with vibrato they will ultimately all sound off-key? It just became too sloppy and overwhelming. I'm sticking with Rattle and Berlin for that one. You should check out Szell's recording - perfection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 No promises, I've got about 220 Karajan cds to finish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 More weird shit, on BBC Radio 3, just now. It sounds like the slow, creepy stuff, from ALIEN, but it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Are you saying the Alien score isn't good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Not at all! I am, merely, likening what I heard, to ALIEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 But what was the piece?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 No idea. Sometimes you have to let great art wash over you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 So that's what you call her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 On 22/10/2021 at 6:03 PM, bollemanneke said: Beethoven's 8, Karajan, 1960s. The symphony is already bad as it is, but he ruined the 3th movement too. I love both symphonies, and I've always been happy with Karajan's 60s recordings of both. 7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: You should check out Szell's recording - perfection! Yes. The 9th (despite Janowitz, although to be fair the soloists hardly make an impact except in a few places) is the one where I'm not too fond of Karajan's version. The Szell is usually my pick. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 THE RIVER CAM - ERIC WHITACRE An unashamed Vaughn Williams impression attempt but still very lovely. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 A masterpiece! Where has this been whole my life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 More weird and wonderful shit, on BBC Radio 3 . This time, it's courtesy of one Reena Esmail (anyone heard of her?). It suits the rather shapeless day that I'm having; not bad, but just... unfocused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 The rite of spring. Positives: JW composed superior Star Wars cues inspired by this crap. Negatives: everything else. Questions: What drugs did they give this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: The rite of spring. Positives: JW composed superior Star Wars cues inspired by this crap. Negatives: everything else. Questions: What drugs did they give this guy? I completely disagree with you as I love the early ballets, but also you should try something like the Dumbarton Oaks Concerto or the Concerto for Piano and Wind Instruments before writing off Stravinsky for good (those are my two personal favorites of his neoclassical period). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 The Firebird! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Yeah, not now, I have a headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 23 hours ago, Naïve Old Fart said: More weird and wonderful shit, on BBC Radio 3 . This time, it's courtesy of one Reena Esmail (anyone heard of her?). It suits the rather shapeless day that I'm having; not bad, but just... unfocused. She was my co-judge one year for composition contests. Very nice person and wonderful music. 10 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: The rite of spring. Positives: JW composed superior Star Wars cues inspired by this crap. Negatives: everything else. Questions: What drugs did they give this guy? Let's not be stupid, now. Disco Stu and Naïve Old Fart 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Can you use arguments to validate that claim? I'm not worshipping something because I'm told I should. Seriously, my head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,221 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Kalevi Aho Symphony No. 9 Tom Guernsey and karelm 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 58 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: The rite of spring. Positives: JW composed superior Star Wars cues inspired by this crap. Negatives: everything else. Questions: What drugs did they give this guy? I like you, dude, I really do, but you have just dissed thee most influential piece of music written, in the twentieth century. That's the kind of assonine comment that would get someone thrown out of music school. I'm not a composer, I'm not a musician, and I'm not a musicologist, but even a cloth-eared eejit like me knows that THE RITE OF SPRING is so, so important to the history of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Oh, I'm not denying its influence at all. I'm just saying I hated it. Two completely different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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