filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: About a year has passed since the creation of this thread, and I wonder what's the status of the three book projects. Would you care to give us an update, @Thor, @filmmusic, and @Falstaft? As for myself, the progress on my JW coloring book has been quite nonexistent. I have finally finished my dissertation (since January) and I'm now in a state where I am waiting for my defense. Now with the coronavirus, everything is closed (including universities), so it seems I'm gonna wait for a while.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, filmmusic said: I have finally finished my dissertation (since January) and I'm now in a state where I am waiting for my defense. Congrats! What's the title of your thesis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: Congrats! What's the title of your thesis? Thank you! As I said, it will be in Greek. it's: The film music of John Williams (1975-2018):Melody, harmony, formal archetypes and thematic unity. It's 248 pages, incl. bibliography. Biodome and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, filmmusic said: As I said, it will be in Greek. That's Greek to me, but the title sounds interesting! Any chance it will be translated to English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: That's Greek to me, but the title sounds interesting! Any chance it will be translated to English? I don't think there is a chance. I'd like to publish it as a book in English, but there are so many written examples (and studios involved), that getting the rights would be a nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, filmmusic said: I don't think there is a chance. I'd like to publish it as a book in English, but there are so many written examples (and studios involved), that getting the rights would be a nightmare. Do you need to get the rights when using parts of musical works as educational examples? Isn't it covered by "fair use" exceptions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Do you need to get the rights when using parts of musical works as educational examples? Isn't it covered by "fair use" exceptions? They could be regarded as such, but I don't think I would get away with it. The majority of the examples doesn't come from published material but from unpublished one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, filmmusic said: They could be regarded as such, but I don't think I would get away with it. The majority of the examples doesn't come from published material but from unpublished one.... That shouldn't be a problem - they could've been transcribed by ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: That shouldn't be a problem - they could've been transcribed by ear. well, apart from the melody and the thematic unity chapters, they are not one staff examples. They are 2 or 3 staves detailed musical examples, thats it's obvious are not transcribed by ear. Here's an example: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, filmmusic said: well, apart from the melody and the thematic unity chapters, they are not one staff examples. They are 2 or 3 staves detailed musical examples, thats it's obvious are not transcribed by ear. Here's an example: Much more complex things have been transcribed by ear, including complete lost golden age film scores. But couldn't you reduce the examples to melody and chords while still getting your points across? At least that the impression I get from your thesis title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: But couldn't you reduce the examples to melody and chords while still getting your points across? At least that the impression I get from your thesis title. They are melody and chords (full harmony), but I guess I went too far with it, staying true to the original thing. example from Rosewood: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, filmmusic said: They are melody and chords (full harmony), but I guess I went too far with it, staying true to the original thing. example from Rosewood: I meant chord symbols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said: I meant chord symbols. Ah, now I see. Well, yes, perhaps some examples could be written like this. Williams' music is sometimes complex that even that would be difficult. (like in the above first example I quoted from A.I.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Ah, now I see. Well, yes, perhaps some examples could be written like this. Williams' music is sometimes complex that even that would be difficult. (like in the above first example I quoted from A.I.). I guess it all depends on which points you want to get across with the individual examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 No development for me since the last time, as I'm basically focussing on staying alive these days (financially). Plus, it was such a downer to lose all my research material a couple of years ago, I've found it hard to find the motivation to acquire it again. Looking forward to 'skimming' your research paper, Konstantinos, if it's put out as a pdf or something. I obviously won't understand a word, but it would be nice to know the scope of it. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Looks like I'll have to learn Greek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Yeah, me too. It's not that hard, I've heard. At least I already know the letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, me too. It's not that hard, I've heard. At least I already know the letters. The letters will be the least of your worries 😀 Grammatical noun cases, genders and verb tenses/aspects would take the most effort, I'd guess. But yeah, you're right that it's not a particularly hard language in comparison to most others. I was actually thinking of learning Ancient Greek, just to be able to enjoy all those classical works in their original form, but it's more logical and practical to learn Modern Greek first. Now, with 250 pages of John Williams analysis, I would actually have a very concrete reason to do that 😀 In any case, I am currently learning Italian, and I still have many other languages on my bucketlist, so I am not sure when I would get around to learning Greek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Biodome said: The letters will be the least of your worries 😀 If you know the letters and start pronouncing the words, you'll soon discover that you understand a few of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: If you know the letters and start pronouncing the words, you'll soon discover that you understand a few of them. True - βιβλίο, λόγος, χρόνος - all that sort of stuff greatly speeds up vocabulary learning. In the cases where the common roots aren't that obvious, I always have a Wiktionary tab open, so that I can make those connections between the languages that I know, and the languages that I am learning. It's better than the blind cramming strategy. Still, there aren't too many shortcuts here, even if most European tongues stem from the same ancient family. It still takes about 30-60 minutes of learning each day for a whole year, to get to a basic-intermediate conversational level in a new language. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Biodome said: True - βιβλίο, λόγος, χρόνος - all that sort of stuff greatly speeds up vocabulary learning. In the cases where the common roots aren't that obvious, I always have a Wiktionary tab open, so that I can make those connections between the languages that I know, and the languages that I am learning. It's better than the blind cramming strategy. Still, there aren't too many shortcuts here, even if most European tongues stem from the same ancient family. It still takes about 30-60 minutes of learning each day for a whole year, to get to a basic-intermediate conversational level in a new language. In a year, I expect you to have written a book on JW, in Greek! Biodome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: In a year, I expect you to have written a book on JW, in Greek! Not before @Thor writes his. I went through the great difficulty of learning Norwegian, in the hopes of putting it to good use, and now he loses motivation! Pfff. I call it false advertising! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Biodome said: I went through the great difficulty of learning Norwegian You mean as a toddler? So what's the angle of your book, @woj? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: You mean as a toddler? I was more like 10 or 11. What helped me was that I didn't know any English back then, so there was no lingua franca for me to use, and I just had to learn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, Biodome said: Not before @Thor writes his. I went through the great difficulty of learning Norwegian, in the hopes of putting it to good use, and now he loses motivation! Pfff. I call it false advertising! You seem like an excellent language learner, when we talked in London. I'm kinda envious, and wish I was 20 years younger to more easily absorb new languages. I speak English, French and German (in addition to Danish, because I have Danish family), but that's it. Always wanted to learn Spanish, at the very least. Always loved to learn languages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Thor said: You seem like an excellent language learner, when we talked in London. I'm kinda envious, and wish I was 20 years younger to more easily absorb new languages. I speak English, French and German (in addition to Danish, because I have Danish family), but that's it. Always wanted to learn Spanish, at the very least. Always loved to learn languages. Oh you're still very young as far as language learning goes! I've seen people in their 80s picking up new languages! It's more about determination and a methodical approach, than about natural talent or the ability to absorb new information, though kids are definitely at an advantage here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Sounds exhausting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: Sounds exhausting! And highly rewarding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 21 hours ago, filmmusic said: I have finally finished my dissertation (since January) Congratulations!!! filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 I just wanted to let you all know that I'm still not writing, or planning to write, a book on JW. I think I'll rather do a play, "Williams vs. Goldsmith", with Zimmer as comic relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 4/1/2020 at 2:41 AM, Thor said: . ......I speak English, French and German (in addition to Danish, because I have Danish family), but thats it.... " that's it!?" Americans can barely speak English, and those who speak a second language are as rare as a Giacchino CD in your collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 3/31/2020 at 8:47 PM, filmmusic said: The film music of John Williams (1975-2018):Melody, harmony, formal archetypes and thematic unity. I'd especially like to read what you've written on formal archetypes. What exactly do you mean with thematic unity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 42 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'd especially like to read what you've written on formal archetypes. What exactly do you mean with thematic unity? the unity between themes in a film (like one theme comes from another), which is usually a motivic one. (it's based on Reti's The thematic process in music) I have examples from 11 movies. My defense is on September 21st if nothing changes. I'm really stressful about it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, filmmusic said: My defense is on September 21st if nothing changes. I'm really stressful about it! I'm sure the defense will go well. Will it be via Skype or similar due to the COVID situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: I'm sure the defense will go well. Will it be via Skype or similar due to the COVID situation? Thanks. No, they didn't tell me anything like this about skype. If it is, I won't be able to do it because my pc is old and it really gets stuck on videos. I can't even watch a youtube video properly. But i don't think so. Even schools will work like they always do, with even 25 students in the classroom. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,465 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Good luck, Konstantinos! I feel like you've been working on your dissertation forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Thor said: Good luck, Konstantinos! I feel like you've been working on your dissertation forever! Thank you Thor. Yes, I have. I had many problems during doing it (health issues and others), that's why it took me many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, filmmusic said: Thanks. No, they didn't tell me anything like this about skype. If it is, I won't be able to do it because my pc is old and it really gets stuck on videos. I can't even watch a youtube video properly. But i don't think so. Even schools will work like they always do, with even 25 students in the classroom. Good luck! In Norway, you have to do it via Skype (or similar) nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,823 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: Good luck! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 On 4/1/2020 at 2:41 AM, Thor said: I speak English, French and German (in addition to Danish, ..m You don't speak NORWEGIAN?!😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 He speaks like they do in Oslo, which is basically Danish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: He speaks like they do in Oslo, which is basically Danish. Cheese Danish? Yum😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 How's it going with your book project, @Falstaft? Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: How's it going with your book project, @Falstaft? Alas, I keep getting side-tracked by other projects! The big one right now is shepherding an edited volume featuring some truly fantastic film music scholarship, including a brilliant essay by @Ludwigand an essay on Shirley Walker I really need to get cracking on myself! I also have some smaller scale projects on Williams, including a talk on Rosewood and further stuff involving Star Wars. Once that's all done, the book will be back to being my main priority... Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 12 hours ago, Falstaft said: Alas, I keep getting side-tracked by other projects! The big one right now is shepherding an edited volume featuring some truly fantastic film music scholarship, including a brilliant essay by @Ludwigand an essay on Shirley Walker I really need to get cracking on myself! I also have some smaller scale projects on Williams, including a talk on Rosewood and further stuff involving Star Wars. Once that's all done, the book will be back to being my main priority... That's good! Are you comfortable saying a bit about the contents of the book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I can sell you the reproduction rights of my discography, for almost nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 I'll buy them if I get them for less than nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 1,823 Posted October 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just got my PhD yesterday, with grade "Excellent"! The defense was done via the internet eventually.. I'll upload the full thesis in a few days. The Illustrious Jerry, Falstaft, Score and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 Congratulations, excellent work! filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 770 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, filmmusic said: Just got my PhD yesterday, with grade "Excellent"! The defense was done via the internet eventually.. I'll upload the full thesis in a few days. Congratulations! filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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