crumbs 14,300 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Jay said: I suppose it would be impossible for a US label, but maybe possible for a foreign one like Quartet or Music Box? Interesting! I wonder if labels could start using this as a 'loophole' to expand scores that Sony owns the rights for in the US only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 I don't think there are too many scores that Sony Music got the rights to and then declined releasing it in other countries too Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Glory days are over. Say hello to the miserable and depressing 2020s. Bayesian and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jay said: I don't think there are too many scores that Sony Music got the rights to and then declined releasing it in other countries too Sadly true, it'd be a pretty small list of scores that fall into the category of having different rights owners domestically and internationally. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,585 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 2/10/2019 at 3:30 AM, bollemanneke said: we could do with a list of every OST Sony Music released. I don't have that and I think it would be a really long list, but here are some additional Sony-owned titles I figured out, based on the list of composers Roger said were coming up soon from Intrada (so two of these -- or a Horner/Williams score -- might be possibilities, and then after two come out, none of them will be): Jerry Goldsmith: I'm pretty sure everything Sony-owned of his has been expanded in definitive fashion, but this news presumably means that no reissues of stuff like First Knight, Congo, The Shadow, or The River Wild will be able to happen. John Barry: Beat Girl (Columbia), Sophia Loren in Rome (LP was on CBS/Columbia, though I see a CD issue came out on Pendulum/PEG which I don't think is Sony-owned), King Rat (SoundtrackCollector mentions multiple LP labels including Sony and Columbia/Legacy, but they also mention Mainstream, from whom Intrada has licensed in the past), The Chase (Sony/Columbia), The Lion in Winter (Columbia), Chaplin (Epic), My Life (Epic), The Specialist (Epic), Across the Sea of Time (Epic/Columbia), Cry, the Beloved Country (Epic), The Scarlet Letter (Epic) Basil Poledouris: Lassie (Sony Wonder), Free Willy, and Free Willy 2 (both Epic)... oh MAN how I hope the latter is among what Intrada has in the pipeline, as the Epic album only had three cues (about ten minutes) of Basil's score, and it's actually a big step forward from his first score: great development of existing themes as well as several new themes, as well as a more acoustic feel than the original, with lots of sweeping orchestral moments. Hugo Friedhofer: Only possibility I can see is An Affair to Remember (Columbia/Epic) Lalo Schifrin: Murderer's Row (original album on Colgems, which unlike its predecessor Colpix is still owned by Sony Music Group) Yavar The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Several Patrick Doyle scores are affected as well, including Much Ado About Nothing (still my favourite of his, but I don't think there's anything missing from the CD, or at least nothing significant) and Frankenstein. I really wish the latter will see an expansion *someday*, with all the source music included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,585 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Damn, you're right. Also East-West, Love's Labors Lost, Nouvelle-France, and more recently, Murder on the Orient Express, The Emoji Movie, and All Is True. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Hamlet, too. Considering the length of the film, that probably has some stuff missing on the album, but again I don't recall anything significant (and the album is really long as it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenkraly2004 27 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 On 2/7/2019 at 7:04 AM, crumbs said: Shit, just saw the updated post from Mike. Shit! Please, please, PLEASE let a Matessino produced expansion of Hook be one of those two titles. I'll be devo if that admirable but heavily flawed first expansion is all we get from that score, simply due to this nonsensical bureaucratic decision. I mean, as if we didn't need any more reasons to hate Sony after they sat on the Star Wars license for two decades and did nothing? Agreed Sony Classical had the Star Wars license for two decades and did nothing to remaster the soundtrack except 3 re releases and 1 remaster of the original soundtrack albums for The Original Trilogy in 2017 for it's 40th Anniversary on both CD and Vinyl. I hope one day Mike Matessino gets to do proper remasters of the 1st 6 Star Wars Soundtracks someday have La Land Records work with Walt Disney Records together to put a proper release fully remastered out. Though likely won't happen anytime soon since Disney is so focused on the newer films at the moment. On 2/7/2019 at 10:06 AM, Jay said: Here's a list of films scored by John Williams, whose original OST album was released on a label currently owned by Sony Music (RCA Records, Arista Records, CBS Records, Epic Records, etc) 1969 - The Reivers 1977 - Close Encounters of the Third Kind 1978 - The Fury (LP Re-recording tracks only, all film tracks owned by Fox) 1979 - 1941 1986 - SpaceCamp 1990 - Home Alone 1991 - Hook 1997 - Rosewood 1997 - Seven Years In Tibet 1998 - Stepmom 1999 - Angela's Ashes 1999 - The Phantom Menace (rights have reverted to Disney) 2002 - Attack of the Clones (rights have reverted to Disney) 2005 - Memoirs of a Geisha 2005 - Revenge of the Sith (rights have reverted to Disney) 2011 - The Adventures of Tintin 2011 - War Horse 2012 - Lincoln 2013 - The Book Thief 2017 - The Post Here's the list again, except I've crossed out all that have already been expanded and bolded those that haven't, and removed the SW prequels since Sony Music has nothing to do with them any more. In brackets, I put the film studio that owns all the music that wasn't on the OST. 1969 The Reivers [Paramount] 1977 Close Encounters of the Third Kind (La-La Land 2017) [Sony] 1978 The Fury (La-La Land 2013) [Fox] 1979 1941 (La-La Land 2011) [Universal] 1986 SpaceCamp [Fox] 1990 Home Alone (La-La Land 2015) 1991 Hook [Sony] 1997 Rosewood (La-La Land 2013) [Warner Brothers] 1997 Seven Years In Tibet [Sony]1998 Stepmom [Sony] 1999 Angela's Ashes [Paramount] 2005 Memoirs Of A Geisha [Sony (International) / Disney (UK)] 2011 The Adventures of Tintin [Paramount] 2011 War Horse [Disney] 2012 Lincoln [Disney (US) / Fox (International)] 2013 The Book Thief [Fox] 2017 The Post [Fox] People in this thread talk about Sony just hiring MM to expand these - it doesn't work that way. As you can see, while Sony Music owns the rights to all these scores, various film studios own the extra music that wasn't on the LPs. A third party needs to come along and work with the record label and the film studio to make expanded releases happen. Even when we're talking about Sony the film studio, they are a completely separate entity from Sony Music so it doesn't matter that they both have Sony in the name. It's the same process as licensing from Fox or Paramount or any other film studio. It doesn't work. Now, the STAR WARS (and I believe Indiana Jones) scores are a different story. That's because George sold the music rights off in perpetuity originally, then Disney later bought them back. So in that case, the same entity owns the music rights AND the film rights. So those CAN be expanded by a major label (since Disney owns Disney Records, it's not a separate split label that shares a name like the others). All these other scores are in a different situation and can't be expanded until Sony Music changes their mind (or they were already in the works before this letter went out). Agreed the whole history of the Star Wars music rights Pre Disney is a mess. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: Jerry Goldsmith: I'm pretty sure everything Sony-owned of his has been expanded in definitive fashion, but this news presumably means that no reissues of stuff like First Knight, Congo, The Shadow, or The River Wild will be able to happen. THAT ... WAS ... CLOSE!!! I don't find anything by Williams pre-2005 too regretable except maybe Hook. I hope one of the last titles will be a definitive Hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 And now Sony Music has bought Milan Records http://variety.com/2019/music/news/milan-records-soundtrack-label-acquired-sony-masterworks-1203286552/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 What significant, wanted and so far possible scores are affected? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Supergirl and Legend by Jerry are owned by Milan IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,332 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 ....... 22 minutes ago, Jay said: Supergirl and Legend by Jerry are owned by Milan IIRC Wasn't Supergirl, Silva? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 59 minutes ago, Jay said: Supergirl and Legend by Jerry are owned by Milan IIRC I'm totally okay with that. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Thank god Conan the barbarian was already released by intrada..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Faleel J.M. said: ....... Wasn't Supergirl, Silva? Both came out on Silva Screen in the early 90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Yea, I mixed up Silva and Milan and my head, my bad! Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 383 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 FUCK! Michael Kamen's Brazil was owned in perp by Milan. Now we'll never get it Or Last Action Hero, for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 M:I-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Sorry, but didn't MV say he hoped this wouldn't last forever? Wouldn't it be stupid of us to think this is going to be a perpetual problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 You're right of course. Studio's change policies all the time. But it does mean the Sony door will be shut for a while. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 No Stargate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 I thought LLL said they were hoping to get Stargate out this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Milan definitely never owned Stargate in perpetuity, since Varese later released their own version. The rights might just lie entirely with MGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Milan used to be famous for letting stuff go out of print rather quickly. Stuff like Conan the Barbarian was hard to find for years. Haven't kept track for a while, but the situation might at least not be significantly worse under Sony's ownership? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Well, JW's Tintin and War Horse have been OOP for a few years already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 8/1/2019 at 3:16 PM, Jay said: Milan definitely never owned Stargate in perpetuity, since Varese later released their own version. The rights might just lie entirely with MGM Oddly Varese has their Stargate DE available on iTunes. Strange as MGM usually doesn't grant digital rights to 3rd Parties. Perhaps this one's rights are a bit different - the DVD and Blu-ray releases in Europe are handled by Optimum. These things are so confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Yea I have no idea how that one works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,585 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 10:45 AM, Jay said: And now Sony Music has bought Milan Records http://variety.com/2019/music/news/milan-records-soundtrack-label-acquired-sony-masterworks-1203286552/ So now the key question is: what soundtrack albums, if any, did Milan get perpetuity rights for? I'm pretty sure we know they weren't getting perp rights as a rule (like Varese was, starting at some point in 1989) but I think it's possible that they did for some things. I would assume this would render any such things as un-expandable by the specialty labels, now. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Probably just some French flicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Yavar Moradi said: So now the key question is: what soundtrack albums, if any, did Milan get perpetuity rights for? I'm pretty sure we know they weren't getting perp rights as a rule (like Varese was, starting at some point in 1989) but I think it's possible that they did for some things. I would assume this would render any such things as un-expandable by the specialty labels, now. Yavar I would imagine whatever they have listed on the streaming sites. From memory these include Jungle Book (Poledouris), Billy Bathgate, Consenting Adults, Backdraft and Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,585 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 I didn’t think Disney granted perpetuity rights...that’s a major bummer about the Poledouris if so...of course the two Free Willy scores have already entered the “no hope” zone for the time being, it seems... Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 8/3/2019 at 1:56 AM, JTWfan77 said: Oddly Varese has their Stargate DE available on iTunes. Strange as MGM usually doesn't grant digital rights to 3rd Parties. Perhaps this one's rights are a bit different - the DVD and Blu-ray releases in Europe are handled by Optimum. These things are so confusing. Stargate was an independent film distributed theatrically by MGM. The DVD was released by Universal in Australia. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 17 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: I didn’t think Disney granted perpetuity rights...that’s a major bummer about the Poledouris if so... Yavar Yeah, but I think they've pretty much disowned that version of Jungle Book so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Quote Stop with the doom and gloom. Things can change. MV https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=134259&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Hear hear! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Quote Stop with the doom and gloom. Things can change. MV Talk about mixed messages! Quote To be perfectly honest with you I have no idea when anything is coming out any more. I have thrown in the towel. I haven't a clue when things will be approved. And don't get me started on approvals and contracts! I swear, this is the year that everything seems to have gone to BLEEP! MV 1977 and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 No Black Friday titles confirmed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 "2018 is gonna be one for the books", MV said last year. So is 2019... but in the opposite direction. bollemanneke and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 I'm not sure if I'm on the right thread. But will there be other JW expansions done by Make Matessino? Is the party really over or is he working on new stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Of course there will still be expansions, just not for titles that involve Sony Music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Apart from the couple that were just far enough along that they are slipping through still. Arpy and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 I really shouldn't be hoping for this to come out on BF... but I am... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 At least almost all the important non Indy-SW expansions got out before this if we get the The Patriot then I would be satisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,475 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 All the answers to my question are unsatisfactory. That’s lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,384 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I guess when we get closer to the Black Friday we'll know what scores Matessino has been working on this year, and if he expanded any score whatsoever. Until then, while we get some information, all we can do is speculate. I mean, the options can vary to an Star Wars box containing the complete scores of the original trilogy and the prequels to celebrate the release of Episode IX, to the 20th anniversary of Angela's Ashes to no score at all. EDIT: Angela's Ashes OST was released by Sony, so we may cross that option, lol. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Star Wars Box...keep dreaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 If we get The Patriot at all, it'll be next year for the 20th Anniversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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