John 2,032 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Yes, it’s another movie/score poll! Which 90s serial-killer thriller and score do you prefer; Demme/Shore’s The Silence of the Lambs or Fincher/Shore’s Seven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The Silence Of The Lambs is a superior film in pretty much every way. It transcends the genre it made popular in that decade. A great film! JoeinAR and Fabulin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I prefer Copycat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Se7en's an excellent film. But, I mean, come on. Its Silence of the Lambs. There's really not much more to be said on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Se7en's an excellent film. I guess, though I always felt it overdid things a bit. The murders, the point John Doe tries to make, the urban decay, it's all pumped up for maximum effect. Silence feels...more natural. There's real sadness in it. It's less grotesque. Gnome in Plaid and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 It’s more realistic and relatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I'd probably include them both among the top twenty films of the 1990s. The Silence of the Lambs possibly among the top ten, so I guess it wins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I always felt it overdid things a bit. The murders, the point John Doe tries to make, the urban decay, it's all pumped up for maximum effect. Silence feels...more natural. There's real sadness in it. It's less grotesque. I can understand that. Both films do a lot to conceal some of the atrocities of the subject matter. In Silence of the Lambs, the autospy is photographed in such a way that the body is out-of-shot, and its mostly the performances (god, Jodie Foster is transcendant in this film) that sell the horror of the visual. Se7en also does this to some extent: Gluttany is almost completely obscured in shadow, lust is blocked such that the leads stand over the victim. But than there's sloth... I think, at the end of the day, The Silence of the Lambs ends triumphantly (sorta; Chilton is such an arse that we kind of want Hannibal to devour him, anyway), whereas at the end of Se7en I need a shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Se7en kinda does too with Somerset...sticking around. But yeah. Silence Of The Lambs feel quite current in that it's main character has to deal with a lot of unsolicited male attention, from Chilton to her boss to a guy checking her out at the airport. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I picked Silence of the Lambs. I've never been much of a Fincher fan, although Se7en is one of his better ones. I've never heard the Se7en score, so I picked Silence of the Lambs for that, too. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: Yeah, the looking into the lens of the camera is conducive to that theme. Its a cooky idea, though. What illegal substance were Demme and Fujimoto on when they came up with that? As with all great films, it great because it should have turned out terrible, but didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I love both films! They are so different from one another, and therefore great in totally different ways. But I find both immensely rewatchable. I went with SOTL for the poll. For the scores, I honestly have not listened to Silence of the Lambs outside the film, for some reason. But I like the Seven score on CD, so I picked that. It's effective in the film as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The score to The Silence of the Lambs is very sparse and understated (appropriately so), but it is quite haunting at times, I think. I can't recall much about Se7en other than some brass writing for sloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherJones 7 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Se7en is a chilling and well-made work that is one of the better films of its decade. Silence of the Lambs is a genre-defining masterpiece that is one of the better films ever made. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Se7en is quite good, but as Steef points out, it's a little too "obvious". Se7en pales in comaprison to the more timeless Silence of the Lambs. There's something about its operatic elegance that makes it all the more terrifying. Shore's Se7en is thrilling in film, but nothing is ever as chilling as when those eerie glocks kick in on that final phone call... Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewya 360 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Lambs for film. For score, it is more even, I made a mistake and voted for Seven, it should have been Lambs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 55 minutes ago, Fabulin said: The score to the Lembas is quite nice. Any post including the word "lembas" should automatically be deferred to Tolkien Central. Chen G. and Fabulin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Seven for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glóin the Dark 1,220 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 "They were slaughtering the spring lembas, and they were screaming!" I'll never think of Lothlórien the same way again... Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Silence for film. I don't remember a note of the score from either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,490 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Both films are great, but not a big fan of either score. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Silence of the Lambs is definitely the better film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Difficult one... Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 SE7EN, for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 One is a masterpiece the other has the number 7 where a V belongs. One is a masterpiece the other is a low rent version of that masterpiece that barely rises above schlock. One is a masterpiece and one of the great films of all time and the other is a precursor to torture horror films like Saw and Hostel. Needless to say Silence is simply unmatched in its genre and Se7en is always in the mirror far behind. 6 hours ago, Chen G. said: Se7en's an excellent film. No it is not. Its mediocre and a wannabe. 4 hours ago, Lewya said: Lambs for film. For score, it is more even, I made a mistake and voted for Seven, it should have been Lambs. Then fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Buffalo Bill has the upper hand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Not Mr. Big said: Buffalo Bill has the upper hand! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Not really a fair poll. Every movie is better than Se7en. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 10 hours ago, JoeinAR said: One is a masterpiece the other has the number 7 where a V belongs. One is a masterpiece the other is a low rent version of that masterpiece that barely rises above schlock. One is a masterpiece and one of the great films of all time and the other is a precursor to torture horror films like Saw and Hostel. Needless to say Silence is simply unmatched in its genre and Se7en is always in the mirror far behind. I fully agree with you on Silence of the Lambs. Seven is overrated and you kinda called the right reason, but as a conclusion the film is still quite decent and not a pile of shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2019 Seven is such a richly dark film with terrific cinematography, I don’t understand how anyone can claim it’s terrible. What do you call films by Uwe Bol ? John, Chen G., The Illustrious Jerry and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Oh its gorgeous, more stylized than Silence. John 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 48 minutes ago, Stefancos said: its gorgeous, more stylized than Silence. More stylized than the film in which the people stare into the friggin' camera?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 That's more subtle though, and more brilliant. Visually, Silence is more understated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Understated?! It feels like 90% of the film traffics between close-up and extreme close-up. Some of the dolly-in movements could not be more in the audience's face: the pen that Hannibal eyes, its tip in his hand, the fingernails in Bill's well, the moth, etcetra... Its an astonishing film, but it has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, and its all the better for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Seven is boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Kinda, until Sloth comes around. That moment (you know the one) absolutely terrifed me. What was it that William Wyler would say? "If you want to shock an audience, get them almos to the point of boredom before doing so." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 53 minutes ago, Chen G. said: Understated?! It feels like 90% of the film traffics between close-up and extreme close-up. Some of the dolly-in movements could not be more in the audience's face: the pen that Hannibal eyes, its edge in his hand, the fingernails in Bill's well, the moth, etcetra... Its an astonishing film, but it has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, and its all the better for it. You need to rewatch the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,948 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I've watched it plenty times. Its anything but subtle. Doesn't make it any less great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Because it has some substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 I wouldn’t say the film has zero subtlety, but there is definitely a lot of on-the-nose symbolism throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 9, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 9, 2019 I’d say the subtlety in Silence Of The Lambs comes from its restraint in its horror. It’s fairly tame until Lecter gets loose and then it’s operatic in its violence. Gnome in Plaid, Chen G., KK and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fancyarcher 350 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 In terms of score, I prefer Silence of The Lambs, but neither are scores that I exactly revisit over and over again. They're effectively in the film, but less so on CD for me. I'm a fan of both films, and think they're excellent serial killer thrillers, but there's something terrific about the way The Silence of The Lambs handles its characters, and even the violence. It all feels so fleshed out, and the dialogue is quite rich. Makes the film even more rewarding to revisit. Speaking of which, Ted Levine doesn't get enough love as Buffalo Bill, he plays such a great psycho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Jame Gumb is a terrifying villain. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 For film, The Silence of the Lambs, easily. It's simply a phenomenal, iconic film. Se7en was also very good, but it was frankly too brutal for my tastes. For score, it's a tougher decision. I actually listen to Silence pretty frequently, and the new complete release is done really well. Clarice's theme is just one of those elemental melodies you can't forget. The one drawback for me is the middle section of the cellar cue. The synths are really out-of-place with the otherwise organic sound of the score. I wonder how Shore would have approached that scene a little later in his career after developing his aleatoric manifesto. Se7en, though, damn... It's Shore at his absolute darkest (well, along with Panic Room). "Wrath" is a nightmare expressed in five minutes. It's musically more interesting than Silence, but I definitely get more out of the earlier score. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Hmm, perhaps I need to watch Silence of the Lambs again, I didn't find it that amazing. Se7en on the other hand is one of my favourite films, and IMO contains Shore's best work. JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Bump. Just wondering where my VS threads are. Can we get some more please? else I'm gonna have to make a thread called "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels VS Bad Santa." Final warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 BAD SANTA, every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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