Hans Zimmer's DUNE (2021)

[Tallguy 1514]

So my wife was watching Angels and Demons yesterday. Hey, I think I've heard parts of that score someplace sandy...

 

I'm a Horner fan. I can handle it.

[Jurassic Shark 9323]

It didn't hit me that those two scores sound similar.

[Toa_of_Pi 3]

On 29/10/2021 at 8:01 AM, crocodile said:

According to some people on FSM board some of the OST copies shipped out were pressed CDs making this very confusing. But yeah, both albums I received were CD-Rs. It's a shame really. 

 

Karol

This is probably a dumb question, but what exactly is the difference between pressed vs CD-R?  I've only ever bought CD-Rs in blank stacks, none commercially produced, so I have no idea if it's just a visual difference or if there's a noticeable sound quality difference.

[Positivatee 323]

Longevity and resale value. 

 

Any kid with a computer can burn a CD-R. They have no resale value because they are copies. They also do not last as long as pressed CDs. 

 

Pressed CDs are more legitimate and theoretically last longer. 

 

I burned CDs in the late 90s that still read.

I have pressed CDs that are already junk. 

[Lord Zimmer 209]

Get with the times and stream it from YouTube, jeesh. 

[blondheim 1020]

It's more than that. Pressed CDs are made at the plant, all at once. The information is pressed in with the design. A CD-R, even professionally, is someone in the company burning you a CD. They slide a blank disc in and write information onto it.

 

While a company can make a mistake mastering the pressed CD, imo it is more likely that the burned CD you get is going to have mistakes. Anyone who has ever burned a CD correctly knows that it is easy to fuck up. So by sheer probability, there is more opportunity for you to get a mistakenly burned disc or a faulty master. Not to mention the person responsible for burning it is another variable to consider. I don't trust it. I'm old-fashioned and still buy CDs but this is why I don't trust Amazon because they no longer have to advertise when they are selling a "professionally-made" CD-R. Every purchase is a risk but I like to minimize.

 

So no CD-Rs or Amazon for me. At least when it comes to music.

[Positivatee 323]

I don't burn CDs that often, but when I did, it was very easy to get the dreaded buffer underrun error if you were doing too much on the computer at the same time, if your speed was too high and your memory was over taxed. 

 

It was easy to burn CDs that would not read on older drives, while pressed CDs will typically be readable on all drives (notwithstanding scratches and mfg defects). 

 

I used to have a burner that could write at 52X, but the discs weren't readable on older drives. I typically burn at 16x to be safe now, and just step outside for a smoke until it's done. 

[KK 3251]

On 27/10/2021 at 5:04 PM, Romão said:

I know this track has a really obvious progression. The drum backing is usually one of the things I hate the most in Zimmer's music. The electric guitar should feel out of place. It's obvious and trashy. But then, against my better judgement, I quite like this track:

 

 

 

I understand and even relate to its appeal as an isolated listening experience.

 

But my God, was this laughable moment in the film...and I know I was not alone in this opinion, as several of my non-music friends started snickering during this scene.

[WampaRat 1095]

Thought I’d share this little thematic glossary I put together. I was initially among those who thought this was a “monothematic score”- probably because the main theme is used the most throughout the film. The names are my own invention so you might call them something else or attribute them to a different idea. But there’s a good handful here. Funny how Zimmer stated how he never thought of this score in the way of “themes”. Perhaps he meant in the leitmotific way. This is definitely not LOTR. But he’s got some great tunes in here that seem loosely connected to certain feelings/ideas that reoccur on screen. As simple as they may be. This score is great. It bares repeated listens and is not as punchy as PoTC or even the Dark Knight. But I really enjoy it:

 

Dune “A Theme” Main Theme(?) Slower 8 note phrase (4 notes played lower on the scale with the following 4 up higher). Used for a lot of BIG moments.  EPIIIIC 🤪 When played faster it functions as a “B theme” of sorts. This ostinato version  plays under the slower version or plays by itself.

(Leaving Caladan-(1:19-1:39)”A theme”

(Ripples in the Sand- (1:10-1:35)(4:20-5:05) “A theme”

(Visions of Chani-(3:25-3:54) “A theme”

(Herold of Change -(0:00-0:26) “B theme”

(Leaving Caladan- (0:28-1:15) “B theme”

 

 Fate/ “The One” theme- more mystical/slightly sinister theme (similar to Commodus theme in Gladiator) Sometimes played as a “war cry” in regards to Paul’s destiny as a warrior/messiah. 

(Gom Jabbar-1:13-1:37)

(The One-0:00-1:40)

(Pauls Dream- 0:00-1:55)

 

Vast Mystery/Wonder Chords Some of my favorite moments in the score. Tends to communicate a sense of vast space and possibility. The most “space-y” sounding chords in this sci-fi score.

(Herald of Change-1:22-2:10)

(Visions of Chani- 2:28-3:10)

(Sandstorm-1:10-2:00)

(Stillsuits- 2:10-4:15)

 

Tragic Noble Theme-The most “classic Zimmer” anthem tune. Similar to his Bach-inspired theme from Dark Phoenix.Seems to be associated with the burdens of duty/responsibility/leadership.

(Herald of change- 3:08-3:45)

(Visions of Chani-0:00-0:37)

(Blood for Blood- 1:17-1:43)

(Holy War- 0:00-0:57)

 

Impending Doom motif-Bad things are gonna happen.Sounds similar to some of the evil monk music in DaVinci Code.Tends to start low and build in intensity.

(Bene Gesseret- 2:16-2:33)

(Burning Palms- 2:06-3:45)

(Holy War- 0:57-2:12)

(Premonition- 2:00-3:23)

 

Sorrow/Loss motif- Simple sad little tune. Usually performed by a female voice.

(Stranded-0:00-End)

(Blood for Blood- 1:55-End)

(The Fall- 0:30-1:00)

(My Road Leads…- 0:00-1:00)

 

Duncan Idaho motif-

Heard much more in the film itself. A Brief but noble DarkKnight/Man of Steel mashup sounding motif. But it can be heard on the ost in few spots.
(Armada-0:27-1:35) a tragic version with the “sorrow theme” on top

(Burning Palms-0:29-1:10) 

 

There’s a handful of textures and instrumentation used as part of his soundscape for different locations/peoples. Not hard and fast attributions. But in general …

 

Bagpipes- House Atreides. Tune appears briefly in “Armada” and then as source music.

 

Log Drum(?) riff-  Arakis stuff

 

 Whisper/chants - Bene Gesseret stuff

 

Deep Manipulated throat singing- used for a lot of scenes involving Sardukar or the Baron. 
 

Harkonon “screech”- strange manipulated shafar horn(?) pops up when Raban the beast is wrecking havoc.

 

Harkonon “clang”- rhythmic banging pattern often accompanied by the “screech” horn

[paleo 29]

Interesting; have to check this when I get home. But I think you forgot the Harkonnen screech (for a lack of better words), heard all the time when Rabban is on screen

[WampaRat 1095]

10 minutes ago, paleo said:

Interesting; have to check this when I get home. But I think you forgot the Harkonnen screech (for a lack of better words), heard all the time when Rabban is on screen

Ah yeah. I’ll add it. Yes there’s lots of sound design elements that are almost used in a leitmotific way. Similar to some of Goransson’s work on the Mando scores. What I thought initially was just shrill grinding is actually used with a purpose.

[Romão 2066]

This mechanical clanging is also clearly associated with the Harkonnen (or Rabban specifically, maybe):

 

 

And the Harkonnen siren/screech, as Paleo put it (it's heard more clearly in the Giedi Prime scenes):

 

 

 

[WampaRat 1095]

Added

[badbu 94]

14 hours ago, WampaRat said:

Tragic Noble Theme-The most “classic Zimmer” anthem tune. Similar to his Bach-inspired theme from Dark Phoenix.Seems to be associated with the burdens of duty/responsibility/leadership.

(Herald of change- 3:08-3:45)

(Visions of Chani-0:00-0:37)

(Blood for Blood- 1:17-1:43)

(Holy War- 0:00-0:57)

 

 

100% 

love that theme/motif 

[MedigoScan 271]

Yeah that theme also feels very Dune 1984 inspired..

[Tallguy 1514]

21 hours ago, WampaRat said:

Thought I’d share this little thematic glossary I put together.

 

This is terrific and I say thank you!

[WampaRat 1095]

It will be interesting to see what Zimmer makes of these themes/motifs he’s already created for Part 2. The 10 year old in me would geek out to get a proper power anthem out of that Tragic Noble theme (And I suppose it really WOULD sound like Dark Phx then lol)

I’m sure he’ll come up with some new material they can market as well. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if some of the stuff in Sketches pops up in part 2. Particularly the last half of “Song of the Sisters” I see that piece working really well for that Spice ceremony/orgy(?) that occurs. 

[Edmilson 4496]

JNH is a big fan of the score:

 

[Lord Zimmer 209]

Didn’t even buy the CD? Some friend he is. 

[Jurassic Shark 9323]

I just lost all respect for Newton Howard.

[Tallguy 1514]

25 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

I just lost all respect for Newton Howard.

 

That's good to know.

[Jurassic Shark 9323]

You're welcome!

[Edmilson 4496]

I just hope this won't give JNH any ideas of composing a Dune-like score in the future...

 

But I know this score will probably be a popular temp track that directors will keep obligating their composers to imitate.

[Jurassic Shark 9323]

1 hour ago, Lord Zimmer said:

Didn’t even buy the CD? Some friend he is. 

 

That's what happens when you ship out cheap CDRs!

[WampaRat 1095]

2 hours ago, Edmilson said:

I just hope this won't give JNH any ideas of composing a Dune-like score in the future...

 

But I know this score will probably be a popular temp track that directors will keep obligating their composers to imitate.

Tends to happen anytime Zimmer releases a score to a big film. (All war movies currently need to be scored ala “Dunkirk” for example)

[MedigoScan 271]

I know Exaggeration is an artform, but I cannot even recall a single warmovie that would even fit that statement.

[Jurassic Shark 9323]

You're exaggerating.

[WampaRat 1095]

I confess. Perhaps not war movies. But for sure a ton of thrillers have been copying that sound (shepherd tones, grinding electronics/drones, never wavering from complete tension and anxiety, wall-paper application of the music). It’s supplanted the “Bourne -style” of scoring thrillers I feel. I know Zimmer didn’t invent those things. But that style certainly become much more common after Dunkirk. 

[agoodlittlemonkey 7]

HZ suggests more of his Dune score (including the Gurney Halleck songs) is bound to leak at some point:

[May the Force be with You 1963]

I will never understand why RCP scores all leaked and apparently none of the composers seem to care about this. If they were to release immediate expansion and complete score they will at least gain some money out of it and proper presentation

Simply nonsense

[MedigoScan 271]

You talk as if WB would let it happen.

[WampaRat 1095]

5 hours ago, May the Force be with You said:

I will never understand why RCP scores all leaked and apparently none of the composers seem to care about this. If they were to release immediate expansion and complete score they will at least gain some money out of it and proper presentation

Simply nonsense

Yeah. I’ve always wondered why their scores tend to leak so easily. Is it because there’s too many composers /assistants to keep track of? And they figure they’ll never get caught? 

[May the Force be with You 1963]

6 hours ago, MedigoScan said:

You talk as if WB would let it happen.

Well for WW84 the recording sessions leaked before the sketches, something like one or two weeks after the release and WB didn't do anything

[badbu 94]

hope we get the complete score soon

[MedigoScan 271]

FYC season is not that far off, right?

[badbu 94]

1 hour ago, MedigoScan said:

FYC season is not that far off, right?

Right

but i don’t think we get the fyc „complete“ score. It will be the official score I think :/

[WampaRat 1095]

I don’t know if I need the full score. But I hope the inevitable FYC promo has a clean version of “Flight to Spice Field” and a couple other cues with Duncan’s material. I think those would help round out the ost quite nicely for me:)

[badbu 94]

13 hours ago, WampaRat said:

I don’t know if I need the full score. But I hope the inevitable FYC promo has a clean version of “Flight to Spice Field” and a couple other cues with Duncan’s material. I think those would help round out the ost quite nicely for me:)

yes.

i need this cues

 

Bagpipe Army

Duncan Arrives

Flight to Spice Field

Worm Adjacent -> is the film version from "ripples in the sand"

Escape in Ornithopter

Jessica Challenged

[WampaRat 1095]

Yeah I’m sure clean versions of those will find there way out. The ones that even have sfx actually don’t sound too distracting since the score and sound blend so well (until some noticeable dialogue kicks in)

 

Im actually completely fine taking a portion of the “House Atreides” sketch and using that for the BagPipe army cue. 
 

Very curious to here the Gurney songs when those pop up. 

[WampaRat 1095]

Had my second viewing of the film last night. Enjoyed it even more. A lot of little details really began to stick out to me this time.

 

The “Herald of Change” cue is truly fantastic. It’s so well crafted in setting the stage for what’s to come. I love the big statement of the “wonder chords” as the ships land. And then a sneaky short statement of the “impending doom” music as the procession heads down the ramp. The brief whispers/chants as we settle on the shot of the Benne Gesseret staring at Jessica. (Always pulling the strings!) And then statement of the tragic noble theme as Leto seals the contract (and his fate!) with the house Atreides ring. Not sure if this cue was written first and the film was cut to it, or if Hans and co actually scores to picture. But it’s great. Too many little details that distinguish it from a wallpaper approach to scoring. And for that I am grateful.
 

PS- I think I’m the only one keeping this thread alive lol.

[paleo 29]

Well, I always enjoy reading it ;-)

[badbu 94]

3 hours ago, WampaRat said:

PS- I think I’m the only one keeping this thread alive lol.

Hey me too

[WampaRat 1095]

Well here it is. My 70 minute custom edit of the ost that utilizes some of the more engaging material from the sketchbook throughout (and 2 snips from the film version rip.) I tried to stick to the narrative of the film for the most part. I trimmed some of the more dissonant material (most of “Dreams of Arakis” for example is excised and used as a short intro into “Herald of Change”) A couple other little edits may stick out to those familiar with the score. In some cases I trimmed and combined cues that didn’t really “go anywhere” to give the cue a bit more shape or that seemed a bit repetitive. Some tracks  are simply my own creation to give the listener a bit more ebb or flow (see “Lisan al-Gaib/Spice Field Flight” or “Dune| End Credits” for example). For my part, The material added from the sketchbook or inserted into some of the ost tracks varies the listening experience a bit more. I don’t mind the atmospheric desert-y soundscape. But I think they work better when contrasted with some of the other material. The “Sandwalk” track (my edit of the “Stillsuit” cue) is a personal favorite of mine that inserts that glorious electric guitar solo from “Shortening of the Way” sketchbook track. 

 

You may wonder “why go through all this trouble ?” The answer is, it’s just a fun exercise for me. I enjoyed this score a ton in context of the film. And  enjoyed creating my custom edit that captures a bit more the way the movie made me feel. If you hated this score I don’t think this will change your mind. If you wish to hear the OST with a bit more variety/ highlights from the sketchbook scattered into the fabric of the narrative, this may be of interest. Cheers!

[Jay 30967]

FYC album is up

 

https://www.wbawards.com/film/?film=dune

[Jay 30967]

01 1m01 Opening (3:14)
02 1m02b Herald of the Change (3:14)
03 1m04 Paul Tells Duncan His Dream (2:33)
04 2m10 Bene Gisserit Arrive (3:44)
05 2m11 Gom Jabbar (2:03)
06 2m12 Bene Gisserit Leave (2:01)
07 2m13a Paul & Jessica (1:46)
08 2m14 Leaving Caladan (1:57)
09 3m20 Sandwalk Video (1:29)
10 4m27 Flight to Spice Field (2:09)
11 4m28-29 Failed Harvester Lock (5:47)
12 4m30 Visions of Chani (4:30)
13 5m31 Sardaukar Chant (1:20)
14 5m32-35 Night On Arrakis (5:12)
15 5m36-37 Harkonnen Attack (2:41)
16 5m38-39 Betrayal (2:41)
17 5m40-41 Burning Palms / Duncan Kicks Ass (4:08)
18 6m43 Burning City (1:04)
19 6m44 Broken Tooth (2:27)
20 6m46 Holy War Across the Universe (4:10)
21 6m48 A Place to Hide (1:50)
22 7m50-51 Duncan's Sacrifice (3:41)
23 7m52-54 Escape In Ornithopter (3:09)
24 7m55 Chase Into Dust Storm (0:55)
25 7m55b Dust Vision (1:16)
26 7m57 Kill Them (0:54)
27 7m59-61 Stillsuits (4:40)
28 8m63-64 Run / Shai Hulud (2:42)
29 8m69 My Road Leads Into the Desert (3:57)
30 9m70 End Credits Dream (7:03)

 

TOTAL TIME - 1:28:17

[WampaRat 1095]

Was there a way to download these? I know the FYC thread had links of some sort for other releases. Or was it a back door way? Just a handful of cues I’d love to have. 

[Jay 30967]

DownloadHelper extension on Firefox is how most people do it

[MedigoScan 271]

Wow, it has most of the tracks that I was missing from the soundtrack. (outside of the Duncan tracks)

 

Edit: It also has the more organ heavy version of the Sandworm scene.

[Jay 30967]

Why would Zimmer come up with a recurring motif for Duncan that everyone likes, and then not include it on the OST album, the other OST album, the third OST album, or the FYC album?

Maybe he doesn't like it?

[MedigoScan 271]

I mean its technically a part of Burning Palms...

and I think it briefly plays at the end the 'Paul Tells Duncan his Dream' track. So there is at least that.