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I listened to this soundtrack yesterday but it didn't convince me that much.

 

Just to clarify I am a big fan of Zimmer, but from the beginning I was not convinced by the Villeneuve-Zimmer pair. The style of Villeneuve's direction in general, in my opinion, does not fit very well with the music style in which Zimmer manages to express himself at his best. In fact he had not convinced me even in Blade Runner 2049.

 

In any case before giving a final judgment I wait to be able to listen the soundtrack together with the movie. It is still a soundtrack and therefore it's above all the set of the two that has to work.

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Complete Score Cuesheet List

 

Dreams Are Messages From The Deep
Hans Zimmer
Opening
Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar
Waking Up
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Give Me The Water
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Herald Of The Change
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Leto's Speech
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Duncan Arrival
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Paul Tells Duncan His Dream
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Castle Cemetery
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
House Harkonnen
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
House Harkonnen (Continued)
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Bene Gisserit Arrive
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Gom Jabbar
Hans Zimmer
Bene Gisserit Leave
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Paul And Jessica
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Leaving Caladan
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Arrival On Arrakis
Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar
Bagpipe Army
Hans Zimmer, Omer Benyamin
Flight To Palace
Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar
Gift Of The Crysknife
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Tooth Of Shai-Hulud
Theo Green, Czarina Russell
Sandwalk Video
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Hunter-Seeker
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Rev Mother And Baron's Deal
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Duncan Arrives
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Stilgar
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Harvester Transport
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Flight To Spice Field
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Failed Harvester Lock
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Worm Adjacent
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Visions Of Chani
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Sardaukar Chant
Hans Zimmer, Michael Geiger
Night On Arrakis
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Betrayal
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Harkonnen Attack
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Burning Palms
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
The Voice
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Burning City (Stranded)
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Broken Tooth
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Leto's Ring
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Holy War Across The Universe
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Duncan Finds Paul
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
A Place To Hide
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
A Play For The Throne
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Sardaukar
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Duncan't Sacrifice
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Good Luck
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Escape In Ornithopter
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Chase Into Dust Storm
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Dust Vision
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Healing Baron
Clint Bennett
Kill Them
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Flight Through Dust Storm
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Stillsuits
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Run - Shai-Hulud
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Stilgar Bested
Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
Jamis Unmasked
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Jessica Challenged
Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
Paul / Jamis Standoff
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
Do You Yield?
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
My Road Leads Into The Desert
Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
EC Dream Tune
Hans Zimmer
EC Herbert
Hans Zimmer, Klaus Schulze
EC Wormboy
Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar

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With this out, I’m sure the sessions will leak at some point in the future.
 

Why do RC score boots/sessions leak so easily compared to a Williams or a Horner session?

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5 hours ago, WampaRat said:

With this out, I’m sure the sessions will leak at some point in the future.
 

Why do RC score boots/sessions leak so easily compared to a Williams or a Horner session?

 

I mean, why not just release an expanded edition.

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Complete Score Cuesheet List courtesy of @badbu

 

I merely organized it a little

 

1. Dreams Are Messages From The Deep - Hans Zimmer
2. Opening - Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar
3. Waking Up - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
4. Give Me The Water - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
5. Herald Of The Change - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
6. Leto's Speech - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
7. Duncan Arrival - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
8. Paul Tells Duncan His Dream - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
9. Castle Cemetery - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
10. House Harkonnen - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
11. House Harkonnen (Continued) - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
12. Bene Gisserit Arrive - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
13. Gom Jabbar - Hans Zimmer
14. Bene Gisserit Leave - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
15. Paul And Jessica - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
16. Leaving Caladan - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
17. Arrival On Arrakis - Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar
18. Bagpipe Army - Hans Zimmer, Omer Benyamin
19. Flight To Palace - Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar
20. Gift Of The Crysknife - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
21. Tooth Of Shai-Hulud - Theo Green, Czarina Russell
22. Sandwalk Video - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
23. Hunter-Seeker - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
24. Rev Mother And Baron's Deal - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
25. Duncan Arrives - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
26. Stilgar - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
27. Harvester Transport - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
28. Flight To Spice Field - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
29. Failed Harvester Lock - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
30. Worm Adjacent - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
31. Visions Of Chani - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
32. Sardaukar Chant - Hans Zimmer, Michael Geiger
33. Night On Arrakis - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
34. Betrayal - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
35. Harkonnen Attack - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
36. Burning Palms - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
37. The Voice - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
38. Burning City (Stranded) - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
39. Broken Tooth - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
40. Leto's Ring - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
41. Holy War Across The Universe - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
42. Duncan Finds Paul - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
43. A Place To Hide - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
44. A Play For The Throne - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
45. Sardaukar - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
46. Duncan't Sacrifice - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
47. Good Luck - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
48. Escape In Ornithopter - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
49. Chase Into Dust Storm - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
50. Dust Vision - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
51. Healing Baron - Clint Bennett
52. Kill Them - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
53. Flight Through Dust Storm - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
54. Stillsuits - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
55. Run - Shai-Hulud - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
56. Stilgar Bested - Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski
57. Jamis Unmasked - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
58. Jessica Challenged - Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro
59. Paul / Jamis Standoff - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
60. Do You Yield? - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
61. My Road Leads Into The Desert - Hans Zimmer, David Fleming
62. EC Dream Tune - Hans Zimmer
63. EC Herbert - Hans Zimmer, Klaus Schulze
64. EC Wormboy - Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar

 

According to this list, the composer workload divides up like so:

 

Hans Zimmer

1. Dreams Are Messages From The Deep

13. Gom Jabbar

62. EC Dream Tune

 

Hans Zimmer, Steven Doar

2. Opening

17. Arrival On Arrakis

19. Flight To Palace

64. EC Wormboy

 

Hans Zimmer, Steve Mazzaro

3. Waking Up

5. Herald Of The Change

6. Leto's Speech

9. Castle Cemetery

15. Paul And Jessica

25. Duncan Arrives

27. Harvester Transport

28. Flight To Spice Field

29. Failed Harvester Lock

40. Leto's Ring

41. Holy War Across The Universe

42. Duncan Finds Paul

48. Escape In Ornithopter

55. Run - Shai-Hulud

58. Jessica Challenged

 

Hans Zimmer, Andrew Kawczynski

4. Give Me The Water

10. House Harkonnen

11. House Harkonnen (Continued)

23. Hunter-Seeker

24. Rev Mother And Baron's Deal

26. Stilgar

36. Burning Palms

37. The Voice

39. Broken Tooth

45. Sardaukar

46. Duncan't Sacrifice

49. Chase Into Dust Storm

52. Kill Them

53. Flight Through Dust Storm

56. Stilgar Bested

 

Hans Zimmer, David Fleming

7. Duncan Arrival

8. Paul Tells Duncan His Dream

12. Bene Gisserit Arrive

14. Bene Gisserit Leave

16. Leaving Caladan

20. Gift Of The Crysknife

22. Sandwalk Video

30. Worm Adjacent

31. Visions Of Chani

33. Night On Arrakis

34. Betrayal

35. Harkonnen Attack

38. Burning City (Stranded)

43. A Place To Hide

44. A Play For The Throne

47. Good Luck

50. Dust Vision

54. Stillsuits

57. Jamis Unmasked

59. Paul / Jamis Standoff

60. Do You Yield?

61. My Road Leads Into The Desert

 

Hans Zimmer, Omer Benyamin

18. Bagpipe Army

 

Theo Green, Czarina Russell

21. Tooth Of Shai-Hulud

 

Hans Zimmer, Michael Geiger

32. Sardaukar Chant

 

Clint Bennett

51. Healing Baron

 

Hans Zimmer, Klaus Schulze

63. EC Herbert

 

This probably doesn't include the sketchbook, which I would be interested to see.

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7 hours ago, WampaRat said:

Why do RC score boots/sessions leak so easily compared to a Williams or a Horner session?

I would say it's probably because more people have access to them

 

It would be fun if the sessions leak before the movie even release in the US

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8 minutes ago, May the Force be with You said:

I would say it's probably because more people have access to them

 

It would be fun if the sessions leak before the movie even release in the US

i hope :D so many cues are missing 

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3 hours ago, May the Force be with You said:

I would say it's probably because more people have access to them

 

It would be fun if the sessions leak before the movie even release in the US

 

Most sessions probably leak because no one cares whether the masses have them, but the newest, greatest Zimmer score, like JW score, carries a value that most don't have. And unfortunately Zimmer would rather you listened to a few hours of his 'jamming' sessions and experimentations rather than the score.

 

I listened to a few bits of this - seemed largely the same atmospheric stuff, didn't really do anything for me.

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Just listened to the album.

 

It's not that bad, some of the textures are very interesting. I'm sure it will work great in the movie. 

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I find it really interesting that so many ideas from the sketchbook don't appear in the actual film score. What is the story behind that? Are some of these ideas intended to be used in Part II only? Or were they just sorted out in the process?

The film score is like a concentration of some aspects of the sketchbook. Besides the latter sounds far more abrasive and rough, the film score is more streamlined Zimmer.

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i love the score! to bad that so many cues are missing...

My Fav so far are:

 

Herald of the Change

Bene Gesserit

Leaving Caladan

Visions of Chani

Armada

Premonition

Stillsuits

My Road Leads into the Desert

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and the missing cues:

 

Bagpipe Army

Duncan Arrives

Flight to Spice Field

Worm Adjacent -> is the film version from "ripples in the sand"

Escape in Ornithopter

Jessica Challenged

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The score works fine in the movie. I'm not really disappointed due to low expectations.

 

The movie is better than the score. I miss things from the book in it and it suffers from some of the book stuff as well.

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8 hours ago, badbu said:

and the missing cues:

 

Bagpipe Army

Duncan Arrives

Flight to Spice Field

Worm Adjacent -> is the film version from "ripples in the sand"

Escape in Ornithopter

Jessica Challenged

Out of curiosity, can any of those missing cues be created from any of the Sketches tracks?

 

Its funny. I theorized earlier when they announced that three albums would be released for this film that we would still be missing key cues. Just waiting for that third album to prove me wrong ;)

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mhh...

Bagpipe Army maybe "House Atreides" (but the film version is a little bit different)

Duncan Arrives - nope

Flight to Spice Field - nope

Escape in Ornithopter - nope

Jessica Challenged -> Song of the Sisters 

 

 

 

 

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Honestly a lot of those missing tracks are just 1 minute long. I can see why some were skipped.\

 

Plus in some cases tracks were clearly merged (Like Bene Gesserit or Night on Arrakis)

 

edit: Oh I see now. Escape into Ornithopter is taken out of the Ornithopter track (which is like a good chunk of 3 minutes). It goes straight from the Good Luck scene to the Chase into the Dust Storm.

Then again I suppose Escape into Ornithopter sounded a lot like the Pauls Dream/Shortening of the Way music already. Just faster-paced.

 

edit: Also all that Ripples in the Sand is missing is an organ overlay. Sounds familiar.

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On 21/09/2021 at 3:30 PM, WampaRat said:

Out of curiosity, can any of those missing cues be created from any of the Sketches tracks?

 

On 21/09/2021 at 1:04 AM, Brundlefly said:

By the way, the last track from the sketchbook is in the end credits of the movie.

 

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I believe that once the movie hits HBO Max in America, it'll be easier to compare the film cues with the two albums.

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I think the soundtrack selection so far was descent at least. Zimmer might have excluded some of the longer tracks since they were already covered by the sketchbook. 

(I still would have liked to have the Ornithopter Escape music tho)

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I’m already formulating a custom edit that trims some of the fat off the ost and incorporates the more interesting ideas from the sketchbook. I’ll wait until I see the film (and listen to the Art/Soul score aswell). 
 

From what I gather, the ost reflects the film in that it doesn’t really have a finale, so it’s not leaving people blown away by the time it finishes. It makes sense from a narrative point of view. But I understand the frustration from a “listening experience” standpoint as well. When the second film is finally produced, I think we’ll have some terrific 90 mins between the two scores to accompany the entire story. 

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I just saw the movie and now i do get better what Zimmer was after, and he nailed the alien-ness of the setting, but musically it's not exactly rewarding. Hans is not very subtle, and especially the crash bang stuff in tandem with the often 'psychotic' layering of the other thematic elements starts to grate after a while. But i give him that it is one of the best concept scores of recent years.

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44 minutes ago, publicist said:

I just saw the movie and now i do get better what Zimmer was after, and he nailed the alien-ness of the setting, but musically it's not exactly rewarding. Hans is not very subtle, and especially the crash bang stuff in tandem with the often 'psychotic' layering of the other thematic elements starts to grate after a while. But i give him that it is one of the best concept scores of recent years.

 

For all the textures he and his team has amassed, the core fundamentals are just not very interesting at all. And I don't think it works that well in the film either (it's far too present). There are definitely cool sounds in there, but it lacks any real shape and definition, at least in film.

 

I wish the actual film underscore leaned more into some of the bolder choices made on the sketchbook.

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2 hours ago, publicist said:

I just saw the movie and now i do get better what Zimmer was after, and he nailed the alien-ness of the setting, but musically it's not exactly rewarding. Hans is not very subtle, and especially the crash bang stuff in tandem with the often 'psychotic' layering of the other thematic elements starts to grate after a while. But i give him that it is one of the best concept scores of recent years.

As I said there were at least two if not more occasions where it would have been wise to leave the picture unscored.

 

2 hours ago, WampaRat said:

Alternate cover I made based on the fantastic penguin book edition. I plan on using this for my personal edit of the score once all the recordings are available.

 

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I love the fact that the word "Dune" allows for these abstract depictions.

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8 hours ago, KK said:

For all the textures he and his team has amassed, the core fundamentals are just not very interesting at all. And I don't think it works that well in the film either (it's far too present). There are definitely cool sounds in there, but it lacks any real shape and definition, at least in film.

 

Yes, it's plaster, that comes with the territory in Villeneuve. The were some poppish moments recalling Gladiator & Co. i found rather on the nose, and the wailing woman - even if they tinkered with them - have become an  unloved token.  Still...

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The wailing woman is fine and surprisingly under-represented in the movie and on the soundtrack.

I recall only 2 instances where it briefly showed up, to punctuate Paul's own power and progress.

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on sunday I finally went to see the movie, before I had only listened to the soundtrack and very briefly (only once) waiting to be able to listen to it together with the movie, as it should be, at least for the first listen, without getting too used to it.

 

Actually I have to admit that although it is perhaps not the most memorable of the soundtracks by HZ the whole is not bad at all...it accompanies the movie very well.

 

Wwithout a doubt I find it better than the previous collaboration with Denis Villeneuve in Blade Runner 2049.

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Funny, it's my favorite action cue... and the only clear statement of Duncan Idaho's material on the album, if I remember correctly

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13 minutes ago, paleo said:

Funny, it's my favorite action cue... and the only clear statement of Duncan Idaho's material on the album, if I remember correctly

Duncan has a “theme”? Really looking forward to seeing the film so I can see/hear these things.
 

I’ve listened to both albums a few times now and I’m starting to be able to separate the different musical ideas Hans was creating. A film viewing should solidify some of that for me.

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2 minutes ago, WampaRat said:

Duncan has a “theme”?

Of sorts. It's more an idea, or an identity, I would say ;-) Only really noticed that the second time I watched the movie

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I noticed it the first time around because the Bloody Palms track stood out to me.. and then it came back during Premonition.

Calling it an 'identity' does sound more correct.

 

I also like Burning Palms, but I wouldnt have minded it being replaced with two of the smaller unreleased cues.

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For me this one falls in the same category as most of his Nolan gigs - stuff that work remarkably well against the visuals but cannot be appreciated (by me) on album.

 

Still, there are some very cool ideas scattered across both albums they released for Dune. I love those that give a sense of standing in a desert landscape, where everywhere I look is just miles and miles of sand dunes: e.g. the first 2:30 of "I See You In My Dreams"; the ephemeral, ethereal whisper/percussion-combo effect starting at 2:34 in "Visions of Chani", the final 1:30 of "Sandstorm". Also love the score's only uplifting moment starting at the 3:30 mark in "Stillsuits".

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On 08/10/2021 at 3:17 PM, Kasey Kockroach said:

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Daaang. Haha. Well kudos to Zimmer (if that’s really him) for sticking up for himself.

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