Jay 13406 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 Discuss the MUSIC ONLY here in this thread; Discuss the trailer itself over here please! 1 1 Ii2 and The Five Tones reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SingeMoisi 1 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 The music we hear at the title reveal is so chilling! Is it a remix of a theme we know? 1 Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lemoncurd 179 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 just the Dies Irae motif that is used in Burning Homestead from ANH (the cue that has been tracked into TFA when Rey catches the light saber in the forest). 3 Docteur Qui, The Five Tones and Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6488 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 Interesting to use Leia's theme as the primary melody this time, hey? I guess most of the other major OT themes have already been covered in the previous film's trailers. 2 The Illustrious Jerry and Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fal J. M. Skywalker 1816 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 It is pretty much the unused trailer house music for the TFA trailer. 1 Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Stu 9258 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 I liked the use of Leia's Theme. 3 Will, The Illustrious Jerry and Ii2 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ii2 218 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 Yeah, that was "JW's stroke of genius"---Ii2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Hilary Bray 223 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 Personally, best bit of that teaser was Leia's Theme. Love how it sounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 1426 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 Was the music at the end a mix of Kylo and The Emperor’s themes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 13406 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 You mean under the logo? That was the Dies Irae stuff like from Burning Homestead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Five Tones 254 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, lemoncurd said: just the Dies Irae motif that is used in Burning Homestead from ANH (the cue that has been tracked into TFA when Rey catches the light saber in the forest). That, Binary Sunset alternate, and the trotting chords at the beginning of the Ewok's concert arr. And the notes that end the first phrase of the Main Title, the half cadence. But it all boils down the same. I heard a connection to this in terms of structure, feel, and the reuse of a bright E major ending (straight from ESB in TFA Teaser 2). 1 Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Fal J. M. Skywalker 1816 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Kühni said: With all the amping up of older themes for these trailers, at some point I'd like for them to go the other way. Like, y'know, Duel of the Fates for two oboes and solo timpani, or something. Sounds like an orchestrator's April fools or something lol 1 Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hornist 767 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 Why always the inrerest for the music of the trailers? They are just trailers. Even if this wasn't the most terrible one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quintus 4357 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 I don't care what you guys think here, but the trailerific bastardisation of Williams here sends chills down my spine at the most basic me Tarzan you Jane levels. Yep, it makes me feel like a fucking monkey. The epitome of epic jungle drums trash and I love it. 3 2 crumbs, Gruesome Son of a Bitch, mstrox and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Will 1704 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 I really liked this trailer's music (at least after the opening boring music). Yes, @Faleel J.M., good catch: The Leia's theme arrangement here is essentially pulled straight from (what appears to have been) the trailer house alternate for the TFA Theatrical Trailer: I've always loved this arrangement, so great to hear it used prominently today. Love the Dies Irae quote at the end as well. I don't think this can beat Frederick Lloyd's stunning TLJ teaser cue (so good many here, including myself, thought it must be Williams), but it's still very well done. 2 crumbs and The Illustrious Jerry reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hornist 767 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 Trailer House Rules 1 Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bollemanneke 1186 Report post Posted April 12, 2019 The rise of Skywalker? More like the death of good episode titles... 2 Chen G. and A Ghost From Highwood reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex 1426 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Jay said: You mean under the logo? That was the Dies Irae stuff like from Burning Homestead Oh right, I’ve just seen on Twitter that it’s Kylo Ren’s theme going from a minor to major key. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artguy360 885 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 I enjoy these trailer house versions of JW music. It's fun and effective and perfectly fine until they crop up in an actual SW film. 2 rpvee and Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Stu 9258 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Alex said: Oh right, I’ve just seen on Twitter that it’s Kylo Ren’s theme going from a minor to major key. That doesn't seem right to me. Seems more like just a standard Dies Israe in a major key. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Docteur Qui 620 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: That doesn't seem right to me. Seems more like just a standard Dies Israe in a major key. They must be from the Matriss school of theory Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Stu 9258 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 Who? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Manakin Skywalker 1182 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 Anyone else notice that the 4 notes we hear during the title reveal are the same last 4 notes of the Columbia Pictures logo? 😂 3 Falstaft (hiatus til TROS), Will and Chewy reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quintus 4357 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Alex said: Oh right, I’ve just seen on Twitter that it’s Kylo Ren’s theme going from a minor to major key. I just assumed it was some variation of Kylo Ren's theme, but I suppose Dies Israe is just as likely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chewy 742 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Anyone else notice that the 4 notes we hear during the title reveal are the same last 4 notes of the Columbia Pictures logo? 😂 Yes!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hornist 767 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 1:18 PM, artguy360 said: I enjoy these trailer house versions of JW music. It's fun and effective and perfectly fine until they crop up in an actual SW film. This was the first time it was ok, without those terrible zimmerdrums. Can't wait for the real deal😍 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay 13406 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 4 The Illustrious Jerry, crumbs, Will and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2206 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 what's Die Irae? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Will 1704 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 Ancient Gregorian chant melody, I believe? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Docteur Qui 620 Report post Posted April 13, 2019 It's one of the most frequently quoted melodies of all time. It's like the Wilhelm Scream of classical and film composers, originates from around the 13th century. 2 Will and Bayesian reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2206 Report post Posted April 14, 2019 I want to hear the original version of Die Irae Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Docteur Qui 620 Report post Posted April 14, 2019 It's the first four notes of this that you can hear in "Burning Homestead". Here's the wiki page for more information Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lairdo 160 Report post Posted April 14, 2019 For a Star Wars super clear "out in the open" working of the theme, Giacchino uses it in The Master Switch starting at 29 seconds (with a bit of a beat between the falling notes that make up the two syllables in each word - Di-es – I-rae). (At least that is what I hear he is doing. Please correct me for those who disagree.) As the wiki page states, Dies Irae means Day of Wrath, although sometimes it can be Day of Judgement. So, composers tend to use it when signifying something tragic or really bad is happening. It appears in a lot more than just film music. It pops up in all sorts of music (a nice list is on the wiki page referenced above). Once you hear it and know it, when it pops again somewhere else, you cannot miss it. 1 Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2206 Report post Posted April 14, 2019 I don't normally like trailer music but there's a few I'd like clean from TFA and this Leia's Theme version 1 Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6488 Report post Posted April 14, 2019 I'd love to hear both Williams' recorded trailer cues for TFA. 2 Will and rpvee reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toothless 646 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 3 Jay, Chen G. and Will reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TownerFan 2440 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 I am a bit baffled by the amount of over-analysis about this new trailer music piece I read online. I mean, it's always great to see fans getting excited about new Star Wars music and trying to tie up things in musical terms (especially @Falstaft always insightful analysis). But in all honesty, I don't think this simple piece of music for an advertising item is worth such a torrent of words and thoughts, especially because this isn't composed by JW himself. I can certainly agree that it's a well-executed piece of music that succeeds in doing what a trailer should always do--getting people excited for the film itself. I honestly don't know if anything we're hearing in this piece is foreshadowing JW's actual music score we'll hear in TROS, nor any kind of plot reveal (all the talk about the link to the Dies Irae is fun, but imho a tad too stretched for this purpose). 3 2 Remco, Disco Stu, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stefancos 10083 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 This happens with every new SW teaser or trailer though, so it's no surprise. JWFan will analyse the fuck of out every morsel they get for the next few months. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Þekþiþm 5653 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Stefancos said: This happens with every new SW teaser or trailer though, so it's no surprise. JWFan will analyse the fuck of out every morsel they get for the next few months. This was basically the Jedi Council forums back in the prequel days. Especially AotC. 1 mstrox reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
karelm 1559 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 5:56 PM, Docteur Qui said: It's the first four notes of this that you can hear in "Burning Homestead". Here's the wiki page for more information And it shows up all over the literature, like here: here: which was the basis for The Shining: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caleb 1 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 On 4/12/2019 at 2:25 PM, Alex said: Was the music at the end a mix of Kylo and The Emperor’s themes? Yes, I believe so. The cool thing is that the First Order theme is briefly part of the Emperor's theme. 1 The Five Tones reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rough cut 625 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 This thread should be renamned the “Dias Irae thread”. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 5015 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 What I want to know is why they bothered to get Williams to do the original Episode VII preview which amounted to hardly any music and nothing notable, but ever since they've gone with typical trailer music. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jurassic Shark 4068 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 JW probably doesn't want to be bothered with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 1209 Report post Posted April 15, 2019 53 minutes ago, Ghostbusters II said: What I want to know is why they bothered to get Williams to do the original Episode VII preview which amounted to hardly any music and nothing notable, but ever since they've gone with typical trailer music. Perhaps your question answers itself. Also, TFA was a significant event as the return of Star Wars. Subsequent trailers have just been trailers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DominicCobb 181 Report post Posted April 16, 2019 Trying to avoid the trailer but always like hearing the music. Seems like this might be a quality upload of the music only? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1neOF-mYgk As for the end bit, Dies Irae vs. Kylo's theme, it might technically be Dies Irae but the way it starts out is clearly meant to evoke Kylo's theme. Certainly the same kind of instrumentation you always hear. Not that it matters of course. Anyone reading into that is wasting their time. Highly doubtful the people making the trailer know all that much more about the movie than anyone else does, and they definitely have no idea what JW's score will sound like. Have they even started recording yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
woj 2222 Report post Posted April 16, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 8:17 PM, King Mark said: I want to hear the original version of Die Irae No recordings survive from the thirteenth century. 1 mstrox reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Mark 2206 Report post Posted April 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, DominicCobb said: Trying to avoid the trailer but always like hearing the music. Seems like this might be a quality upload of the music only? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1neOF-mYgk I can still hear the sound effects but they ripped the music channels better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crumbs 6488 Report post Posted April 16, 2019 8 hours ago, DominicCobb said: Have they even started recording yet? I highly doubt Williams has even started writing yet, outside of some sketches he might have jotted down in the 22 months since finishing TLJ. And he probably integrated those ideas into his work for Solo or Galaxy's Edge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
