JoeinAR 1,949 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Clearly the 2nd Best Jones film. So much better than the two that would follow. Its definitely the most frantic and scariest of the series. Ford was at his best and the best endtitles of the four. Love the innovative mine car effects. Beautifully shot and different from all the others. It makes me cover my heart. Did I mention the great score other than the endtites. John would never be this good again in the series. 20 hours ago, Quintus said: Lucas was going through a divorce in 1984 so FUCKIN' BLAH BLAH SUUUUUUURE So??? The film was SHOT in 1983. Ricard and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 27 minutes ago, JoeinAR said: John would never be this good again Also not wrong. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 10 hours ago, publicist said: Gee KK, it's a bit like The Honorable Texas Oilmen Syndicate raising grave concerns about how J. R. Ewing is bastardizing their public image. It's a comic book movie and even the less bright american probably wasn't seduced into thinking he just saw an accurate portrayal of modern India. Your reasoning is probably not wrong per se but it's a teensy bit snobby preaching down to the less enlightened from the elevated position of one's own armchair pulpit. Yea, yea, you're probably right. I just remember all this stuff hitting a nerve with a younger KK, with his own diasporic baggage. It can be easy to take this stuff seriously sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, KK said: It can be easy to take this stuff seriously sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I think putting things in context always helps in understanding better some choices. The film was made when Spielberg and Lucas were at the peak of their personal success, they were truly kings of Hollywood and were saying to press things like "I could make a film about the phone book". They likely felt invincible. But success was about to taking a personal toll on their lives. So the "fortune and glory" motif of the film (and how Indy acts throughout) can be seen as a sort of meta-textual analogy of whio Spielberg and Lucas were at that time, in a way. I think the dark and gloomy elements of the film were more consequence of them wanting to be edgier (because, well, they could do whatever they want). But they counterbalanced all that with a much more comedic tone. The film is truly an amusement park ride. Ricard and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 And they both seem so ashamed of it for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 It probably brings them back to a period or moment in their lives they don't want to particularly remember. It's not an uncommon thing among creative people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Spielberg still has bad memories about his work experience on Jaws, despite the tremendous succes it brought him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Spielberg and Williams also hardly ever talk about THE SUGARLAND EXPRESS -- which is weird to me, because it's a fine film. They do talk about 1941 in the bonus material of that disc, but well aware of the film's shortcomings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 He never talks about Always either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Or Amistad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Spielberg is an opportunist at heart. He would only half-heartedly defend his movies where there is no broad positive consensus. TOD is the odd exception - even Pauline Kael loved it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Although she didn't care for the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Goes without saying. "Too heavy!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 . Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Apparently even Spielberg's own children walked out of 'Amistad'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Amistad isn't bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 It isn't good either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Amistad is good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 It's heaven for lovers of measured courtroom speeches and rose growers. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 And white guiltists. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Amistad isn't exactly a film most kids would enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 AMISTAD and ALWAYS are fine movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Never seen them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 This is my favourite JW score. There is literally never a dull moment in it. And Williams' arrangement of "Anything Goes" is simply spectacular! Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 It's pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 5/26/2019 at 8:06 PM, Stefancos said: It didn't even have Indian wobble heads! It not so bad. Or offensive blackface! You filthy little wog! This is an outrage! An OUTRAGE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 10 hours ago, xWxzek said: Never seen them. No problem, they are not essential, not even for a Spielberg fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I've seen Always, but only saw some bits of Amistad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 They are indeed not 'essential', but far better than their reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Every film Spielberg i have seen has points of interest or things that tell me something about him. I havent watched them all, something I should rectify oneday. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Every film Spielberg i have seen has points of interest or things that tell me something about him. Just read his biography, I Could Have Done More. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I haven't seen: The Sugarland Express 1941 Empire of the Sun Amistad Bridge of Spies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Every film Spielberg i have seen has points of interest or things that tell me something about him. Absolutely. Even turkeys like 1941 (although I can barely get through it). I've seen it all, but I'm missing a few of the TV episodes that I've been unable to find, as well as the complete 'kiddie' films he did; only excerpts exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 14 hours ago, Loert said: This is my favourite JW score. There is literally never a dull moment in it. It's a classic fun score, but as a piece of musical storytelling it's lacking in pathos for me to really connect with it too much, especially compared to Last Crusade and the like. My absolute favourites by Williams always tend to lean quite heavily into the more emotional/visceral side of the characters, or subjects. Temple of Doom is just a swashbuckler, which is fine. Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Thor said: I'm missing a few of the TV episodes that I've been unable to find, as well as the complete 'kiddie' films he did; only excerpts exist. E.T.? Hook? BFG? Tintin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 No, the 16mm films he shot when he was a kid. I've seen some excepts too. He certainly had a cinematic eye early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Weren't some of them lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I have no idea. Dunno if they were even released. But like Thor said. Excepts have been shown in docu's about Spielberg etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Weren't some of them released as extras? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Only excerpts were released as extras. Hopefully, they exist in their entirety in Spielberg's archives. FIRELIGHT looks particularly intriguing as a precursor to CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 On 5/26/2019 at 3:20 PM, John said: Alec Guinness in Lawrence of Arabia is more culturally offensive than anything in Temple of Doom! Is there something you don’t understand, @The Illustrious Jerry? I disagree, as I agree with Chen as he states: On 5/26/2019 at 6:04 PM, Chen G. said: As Faisal he’s fine. Try more Omar Sharif as Yuri Zhivago or Guiness as the Indian doctor in A Passage to India. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 4 hours ago, The Original said: I haven't seen: The Sugarland Express 1941 Empire of the Sun Amistad Bridge of Spies Watchable, all of them. You SHOULD see only EOTS and Sugarland Express, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,528 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Screw that, dude. 1941 is a superb piece of technical filmmaking. JoeinAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 Looks funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Richard said: Screw that, dude. 1941 is a superb piece of technical filmmaking. He saw enough of that superb technique in TOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I tried to like 1941 the last time I gave it ago. Did my best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 A show reel is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 It's 2 hours of non-stop screaming, gags and explosions augmented further by JW's over-the-top score. Too much for me. But there are things to like about it -- like the foggy cinematography that gives it a nice, 40s "air". Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 It just isn't good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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