So Ridley Scott is directing a Gladiator sequel...

[The Train Station 9,077]

8 hours ago, Davis said:

I frequently hear things about this film like "it's decent enough", "it's okay", "it's good enough".

Come on, the first film won the Academy Award for Best Picture and Best Actor in a Leading Role. For many it's one of the best films every made. And we've gotten from an amazing, excellent, sensational film to an okay, good enough, decent enough film. And people accept this like it wasn't bad instead of not being okay with a mediocre film that should be at least as good if not better than the original that it's the sequel of. Let's not accept mediocrity and okay filmmaking if we could and should get excellence, otherwise mediocrity is what we'll get. 

 

People are just being polite in their way of acknowledging that's it's mid. No point in wasting energy by complaining about it. It doesn't erase the first movie, and mediocre sequels are ubiquitous anyway.

[Mephariel 500]

9 hours ago, Thor said:

 

I wouldn't put much stock in such statements. Artists in whatever field tend to say that the latest thing they've done is also the best thing they've done. David Gilmour said the same thing about his new album LUCK AND STRANGE recently, and while it's a good album, it isn't as good as his second solo album. Didn't Jerry Goldsmith say MULAN is the best thing he ever did right around that film's premiere? I mean, it's a great score, but hardly his best. Could be PR, could be short term memory, could be a combination of both.

 

GLADIATOR II is okay, but not even top 20 Scott.

 

The one I disagree with you is Mulan. I am not sure if it is his best, but it is my favorite score next to Rudy, and among the finest that he has done imo. 

[Jamie Dutton 7,643]

Disney ranked it among his best on the behind the scenes Soarin' tribute for obvious reasons. I've never seen or heard it.

 

[The Train Station 9,077]

There's about 80 other Goldsmith scores I'd listen to before Mulan.

[A24 4,651]

Ridley Scott already has an idea for Glad III. In fact, he already has 8 pages. 

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/everything-ridley-scott-has-said-gladiator-3-1236069492/

 

(JWFan cheers)

 

 

[Davis 3,286]

So he has the final script then. 

[Jurassic Shark 13,659]

After they've cut a few pages.

[Edmilson 9,394]

What will the title be?

 

Gladiator: Endgame

Gladiator: Return of the King

The Dark Gladiator Rises

The Gladiator Saga: Breaking Dawn

The Gladiator Series: Allegiant

G3: The Glad Saga

 

Or my favorite...

 

Gladiator vs Sabrina: Dawn of Justice!

[Doo_liss 6,970]

Sadiator.

Radiator

[Jurassic Shark 13,659]

Gladiator III

 

Just throwing it out there.

[Naïve Old Fart 10,725]

I'll go on record by saying that I have zero interest in this film. It's not because I don't like Scott (I would welcome the chance to see the extended NAPOLEON), I just thought that the first one wasn't very good, and, as such, don't fancy the sequel.

[Edmilson 9,394]

3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

GladIIIator

 

Fixed.

[Chen G. 4,767]

4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I just thought that the first one wasn't very good

 

[Doo_liss 6,970]

2 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

Calm it down there Athaliah.

[Jurassic Shark 13,659]

Poor Richard, he has awaken the wrath of Chen!

[Smeltington 1,623]

5 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I'll go on record by saying that I have zero interest in this film. It's not because I don't like Scott (I would welcome the chance to see the extended NAPOLEON), I just thought that the first one wasn't very good, and, as such, don't fancy the sequel.

 

The only hotter take than this would be someone coming in here saying the sequel is better than the original!

[Jurassic Shark 13,659]

Paging @Thor!

[Chen G. 4,767]

[Edmilson 9,394]

For those who have already seen Gladiador 2...

 

Spoiler

Does Lucius survive at the end? If Scott manages to make Gladiator 3, will Lucius be the protagonist or does he die in 2?

 

[Chen G. 4,767]

Spoiler

Lucius is the only legacy character who survives.

 

[Thor 8,639]

3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Paging @Thor!

 

It's okay to not like GLADIATOR. Weird, from where I'm standing, but okay. I just said in a thread over on FSM that I don't particularly care for GONE WITH THE WIND and THE WIZARD OF OZ.  We're all entitled to not care for certain classic.....no, wait, ICONIC....films throughout history.

[Naïve Old Fart 10,725]

6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Poor Richard, he has awaken the wrath of Chen!

 

That's it! JS, you're a bona fide genius!

 

GLADIATOR III: THE WRATH OF CHEN

[Tom Guernsey 2,790]

Glad He Ate Her

[Naïve Old Fart 10,725]

Damn you, Tom, you beat me to it! 

[mstrox 6,976]

The first Gladiator was pretty good - which, in Ridley Scott terms, is a triumph.  Kind of strange that people hold it so sacred that they care about a sequel and its impact on the original.

[Doo_liss 6,970]

The Chen signal glows ever brighter

 

The beacons are lit!

[Chen G. 4,767]

If Gladiator is not sacred, what movie can be sacred?

[Edmilson 9,394]

11 minutes ago, mstrox said:

The first Gladiator was pretty good - which, in Ridley Scott terms, is a triumph.

Not a fan of good ol' Ridley, huh?

[A24 4,651]

45 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I'll go on record by saying that I have zero interest in this film. It's not because I don't like Scott (I would welcome the chance to see the extended NAPOLEON), I just thought that the first one wasn't very good, and, as such, don't fancy the sequel.

 

Which version have you seen? Short or long? 

 

38 minutes ago, Smeltington said:

 

The only hotter take than this would be someone coming in here saying the sequel is better than the original!

 

I'm pretty sure that somewhere on the Earth there is at least one person who feels that way. 

 

Don't believe me? It only took me 5 seconds to find someone who thinks Jaws 2 is better than Jaws 1. 

[Nick1Ø66 6,076]

15 minutes ago, mstrox said:

The first Gladiator was pretty good - which, in Ridley Scott terms, is a triumph.  Kind of strange that people hold it so sacred that they care about a sequel and its impact on the original.

 

It's the very sacredness of the first film that acts as a talisman against contamination by the sequel. 

[Jurassic Shark 13,659]

43 minutes ago, Thor said:

GONE WITH THE WIND and THE WIZARD OF OZ

 

The most interesting thing about the former is the music, and the restoration that has produced an incredible picture quality given its age. The latter is not my cup of tea, probably because it's mainly for children and I first saw it as an adult (or close to it). 

 

20 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

If Gladiator is not sacred, what movie can be sacred?

 

King of Kings?

 

19 minutes ago, A24 said:

Which version have you seen? Short or long? 

 

There's two versions?

[Nick1Ø66 6,076]

48 minutes ago, A24 said:

Which version have you seen? Short or long? 

 

Both versions are terrible. This was a Scott film that sadly wasn't able to be saved in the DC...which, if anything, is worse. Probably my biggest cinematic disappointment of the decade (so far).

[GerateWohl 5,302]

There is an extended cut, but Scott said explicitly that the theatrical version is the director's cut, not the extended version. 

[Chen G. 4,767]

1 minute ago, GerateWohl said:

Scott said explicitly that the theatrical version is the director's cut, not the extended version. 

 

Scott also said this of Gladiator, and interestingly enough I think the extended edition of Gladiator is excellent.

 

Won't be the first that a filmmaker was wrong about their own films.

[Nick1Ø66 6,076]

When the director has the "final cut" on a film, isn't it by definition a "Director's Cut"? 

 

The DC of the Gladiator is indeed excellent, though it's been so long since I've seen the original I'm not sure how different it is...I don't believe Scott added that much, as I recall. Certainly not transformative like Kingdom of Heaven. 

[mstrox 6,976]

51 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

If Gladiator is not sacred, what movie can be sacred?

Now you’re getting it!

[Doo_liss 6,970]

No movie is without sin.

[Chen G. 4,767]

On 26/11/2024 at 9:43 PM, Nick1Ø66 said:

Certainly not transformative like Kingdom of Heaven. 

 

It's not.

 

But there's genuinely very nice stuff in there. There's a lot more of Commodus going nuts: I love the scene where goes to the basement and takes it out on a sculpture of Marcus Aurelius. The scene where he orders the execution of the two guards who are blamed for Maximus' escape is also remarkably intense and helps set-up Quintus' decision to order his soldiers to sheath their swords when Commodus is asking for one.

 

There's also a scene I really like in Gracchus' home: "We are docile. We are obedient, and we are treacherous." He and Lucila are miles away from the feeble, weepy stooges they're reduced to in the sequel.

[Nick1Ø66 6,076]

4 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

It's not.

 

But there's genuinely very nice stuff in there. There's a lot more of Commodus going nuts: I love the scene where goes to the basement and takes it out on a sculpture of Marcus Aurelius. The scene where he orders the execution of the two guards who are blamed for Maximus' escape is also remarkably intense and helps set-up Quintus' decision to order his soldiers to sheath their swords when Commodus is asking for one.

 

There's also a scene I really like in Gracchus home: "We are docile. We are obedient, and we are treacherous." He and Lucila are miles away from the feeble stooges they're reduced to in the sequel.

 

See, all that stuff I consider excellent, and can't imagine the film without those scenes.

[Naïve Old Fart 10,725]

53 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

There is an extended cut, but Scott said explicitly that the theatrical version is the director's cut, not the extended version. 

 

So... The TV is the DC, but there's a DC which is not the TV, but not the DC, either, so if the the TV is the DC, then what's the DC if not the DC, especially if it's not the TV?

I'm confused.

[GerateWohl 5,302]

I am just a simple man and don't know much about those things. But I own a DVD of the Extended cut where in a short introduction video Ridley Scott himself explains, that I am going to see an extended version of the movie which is not the director's cut because the director's cut was the theatrical version. 

But the issue is probably, that I am talking about Gladiator and you all about a different movie. 

[Thor 8,639]

Just now, GerateWohl said:

I am just a simple man and don't know much about those things. But I own a DVD of the Extended cut where in a short introduction video Ridley Scott himself explains, that I am going to see an extended version of the movie which is not the director's cut because the director's cut was the theatrical version. 

But the issue is probably, that I am talking about Gladiator and you all about a different movie. 

 

Isn't that the intro he does on the ALIEN Quadrilogy set? Jeunet says basically the same. Fincher is not there. So only Cameron says we're about to watch the director's cut.

[Naïve Old Fart 10,725]

"Forty miles of bad road."

It's the only version you need 

[GerateWohl 5,302]

2 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

Isn't that the intro he does on the ALIEN Quadrilogy set? Jeunet says basically the same. Fincher is not there. So only Cameron says we're about to watch the director's cut.

I am talking about the Intro of the Gladiator Extended Cut.

But maybe he said something similar about Alien.

[Naïve Old Fart 10,725]

He did.

If memory serves, the extended version of GLAD HE ATE HER (sorry @Tom Guernsey ) had a lot more politics.

[Chen G. 4,767]

5 minutes ago, GerateWohl said:

I am talking about the Intro of the Gladiator Extended Cut.

 

Ridley had indeed said that the theatrical cut of Gladiator is his director's cut.

 

Big whuff. I think the extended cut is better.

[Jurassic Shark 13,659]

But was Scott involved in the making of the extended cut?

[GerateWohl 5,302]

Yes. I think, he directed everything. 

[crocodile 8,707]

I can't remember seeing the extended cut. It appears to be in the UHD disc. Will watch it one night and wash off the poor taste in my mouth left by the sequel.

 

Karol

[Davis 3,286]

2 hours ago, Thor said:

We're all entitled to not care for certain classic.....no, wait, ICONIC....films throughout history.

You’re lucky Mattriss is not interested in Gladiator.